tazinib1 Posted November 10, 2012 Share Posted November 10, 2012 I, for one, can't stand the dude. But I give him mad props as a HC. Hell, he might be one of the best of all time when all is said and done. That being said, it blows my mind the kind of deals this dude has swung. ndy Moss for a fourth-round pick in 2007 Belichick pulled off the first of two significant deals with Oakland's Al Davis when he picked up a future Hall of Famer for what effectively became journeyman defensive back John Bowie. Moss returned to his Hall form for the next three years before being dealt in 2010. 2. Acquiring Wes Welker for a second- and a seventh-rounder in '07 Belichick's 2007 offseason might be one of the most brilliant in NFL history when he rebuilt his receiving corps and changed the direction of his offense in two remarkably cheap moves. Belichick got Welker for picks that eventually turned into journeyman center Samson Satele and defensive end Abraham Wright. 3. Shipping Drew Bledsoe for a first-rounder in '02 The most remarkable part of this deal is not that the Patriots turned the pick into Ty Warren, who played seven seasons with the Pats; it's that they got so much for a guy who had just lost his job to Tom Brady. Then again, that's the price tag for a starting-caliber quarterback and Buffalo paid. 4. Shipping Tebucky Jones for (eventually) Corey Dillon In another example of Belichick extracting value for a subpar player, he dealt Jones, a safety with limited cover skills, to New Orleans in '03 for a third- and a seventh-rounder in that year's draft and a fourth-rounder in '04. Belichick then dealt that third-round pick to Miami for a second in 2004. He then dealt the second to Cincinnati for Dillon, a guy who was the center of his offense for two years, including the Super Bowl XXXIX title season. 5. Shipping Terry Glenn for a fourth-rounder in '02 Glenn had a fine career and even had a bit of a renaissance after this deal. However, he wasn't a good soldier during the 2001 season and butted heads with Belichick. The Pats ended up with defensive lineman Jarvis Green, a valuable backup and sometime starter on two championship teams. Randy Moss didn't hide his love for Bill Belichick and the Pats after he was dumped. … 6. Shipping Moss in '10 for a third-rounder After Moss wore out his welcome, Belichick still managed to turn him into something of value. He dealt Moss in midseason to Minnesota for a third-round pick in 2011. That pick has turned into backup quarterback Ryan Mallett. The jury is still out on Mallett, but Moss was cut by Minnesota after only four games. 7. Acquiring Ted Washington for a fourth-rounder in '03 Washington played only one season in New England, but he was a vital cog in a Super Bowl-winning team as the Pats' defense ranked No. 4 in the NFL that season. The Bears shipped the fourth-round pick to the 49ers. 8. Shipping Richard Seymour in '09 for an '11 first-rounder This deal was (and to an extent still is) one of the more controversial trades in Belichick's career. This was done just as the 2009 season started and many viewed it as a huge step backward for the Pats' defense. Seymour remains a productive (albeit expensive) player for Oakland. In 2011, the Pats used the pick to get Nate Solder, who is now the starting left tackle. So far, the Raiders have gotten more productivity, but the Pats hold all the upside. 9. Shipping Matt Cassel (and Mike Vrabel) for a second-rounder in '08 While Belichick was criticized for not getting more for Cassel, he had to move fast because Cassel was on a franchise tag. Cassel is now trending back down to backup status. The Pats used the pick to draft safety Patrick Chung, a solid-if-unspectacular starter. 10. Acquiring Deion Branch for a '11 fourth-rounder in '10 The back-and-forth dealing of Branch to and from Seattle is worthy of a long feature, but the end results have been just so-so. The Pats originally traded him to Seattle in '06 for a pick that turned in Brandon Meriweather (that deal was an ineffective draw). The Pats got Branch back in '10 and he immediately returned to being a reliable target. Seattle got linebacker K.J. Wright in 2011 with the draft pick, giving them the long-term upside on the deal. Now lets see what Aqib Talib will do when he comes off his suspension. The Pats secondary just got a hell of a lot better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bostonsoxandy Posted November 10, 2012 Share Posted November 10, 2012 No surprise here, the man is more important to the Pats franchise than anyone else, even Brady. If you wanted to include great picks in the NFL Draft, you can add these guys to the list: 1. Brady (6th-rounder) 2. Rob Gronkowski (2nd-rounder) 3, Dan Koppen (5th-roundeR) 4. Asante Samuel (4th-rounder) , also wisely letting him go in 2008 5. Matt LIght (2nd rounder) 6. Deion Branch (2nd rounder) 7. Vince WIlfork (1st-rounder) 8. Jerod Mayo (1st-rounder) 9 David Givens (7th-rounder) 10. Matt Cassel (7th-rounder) 11. Matthew Slater (5th-rounder) 12. Julian Edelman (7th-rounder) 13. Aaron Hernandez (3rd-rounder) 14. Stevan Ridley (3rd-rounder) Obviously, not all his picks were hits (Maroney and Merriweather are among the more cringe-worthy) but I think Belichick is as good as any other head coach in drafting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMD Posted November 10, 2012 Share Posted November 10, 2012 Not like the Pats secondary was going to get much worse. But yes, he has been successful. He'll have a permanent black eye from his VideoGate but otherwise he's been as good as any in the last 20 years. The way they came down on Payton for Bountygate makes it look like Bill got off pretty light. Bill is also legendary for being less than forthcoming to the point of dishonest with injuries too. But the organization has made some great personnel moves and makes players better inside the system than they would be outside of it (ie. Cassel). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darin3 Posted November 10, 2012 Share Posted November 10, 2012 (edited) Are you going to quote your source or pass this off as your own? Edited November 10, 2012 by darin3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keggerz Posted November 11, 2012 Share Posted November 11, 2012 (edited) Link to original story by Jason Cole http://sports.yahoo.com/news/nfl--direct-snap--will-aqib-talib-trade-turn-into-another-bargain-for-bill-belichick-.html Edited November 11, 2012 by keggerz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bier Meister Posted November 11, 2012 Share Posted November 11, 2012 Are you going to quote your source or pass this off as your own? Link to original story by Jason Cole http://sports.yahoo....belichick-.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HowboutthemCowboys Posted November 11, 2012 Share Posted November 11, 2012 Are you going to quote your source or pass this off as your own? Link to original story by Jason Cole http://sports.yahoo....belichick-.html Oh and, with the news DMD just posted, yes I hate him. Hate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keggerz Posted November 11, 2012 Share Posted November 11, 2012 I for one would like to believe that Taz meant to include the link and it got clipped off for some reason (like Ra part of Randy Moss did)...because as someone that has been plagiarized I can say that isn't cool Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bpwallace49 Posted November 11, 2012 Share Posted November 11, 2012 Taz isn't the best at the innernets. I am sure that it was an honest mistake and not an intent to plagiarize. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronco Billy Posted November 11, 2012 Share Posted November 11, 2012 There is no better coach in the league at flimflamming the idiots in the organizations of weaker teams. I swear to God, Belicheck could have sold flood insurance in Death Valley to enough morans to be successful. He ought to seek a legal name change and call himself Harold Hill. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darin3 Posted November 11, 2012 Share Posted November 11, 2012 I for one would like to believe that Taz meant to include the link and it got clipped off for some reason (like Ra part of Randy Moss did)...because as someone that has been plagiarized I can say that isn't cool Taz isn't the best at the innernets. I am sure that it was an honest mistake and not an intent to plagiarize. Nah, it looks like he just snipped off the first portion of the Moss blurb. Had he intended to include the link and/or byline, it would have been in different cut/paste. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tazinib1 Posted November 11, 2012 Author Share Posted November 11, 2012 yep...totally spaced linking it. As you all know, I'm the last guy that would intentionally plagiarize. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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