Obama issues DREAM Act by Executive Order

[bushwacked]

So the linked atricle indicating that Obama enacted the DREAM Act by Executive Order was bull$hit? Is that what you are saying?

 

There are still sites all over the innernets reporting the story as fact though. It's bewildering how people think if something is posted on a miscellaneous website it automatically has a degree of merit.

 

The innerwebs, dumbing down America since the 1990's. Thank you Al Gore.

Edited June 24, 2011 by bushwacked

[Clubfoothead]

There are still sites all over the innernets reporting the story as fact though.

 

The innerwebs, dumbing down America since the 1990's. Thank you Al Gore.

 

It's last Friday all over again.

 

:goldstarsallaround:

[peepinmofo]

Yer slow. I commented on it, but a previous post before mine erroneously claimed executive orders were unconstitutional if they didn't meet certain criteria, so I posted the gaggle of orders posted during the previous administration that obviously didn't all meet that criteria.

 

Not sure why it matters anyway....Peep insinuated it gave all illegals the right to vote and you're giving him props for commenting on it.

BS I did. I clarified what I meant.

[peepinmofo]

There are still sites all over the innernets reporting the story as fact though. It's bewildering how people think if something is posted on a miscellaneous website it automatically has a degree of merit.

 

The innerwebs, dumbing down America since the 1990's. Thank you Al Gore.

I hope it was reported wrong.

 

And as for dumbing down the innerwebs, it certainly has. After all, you continue posting here.

[Clubfoothead]

I hope it was reported wrong.

 

Oh it was. And then you did everyone a favor and came here and reported it wrong too.

 

You hope it was reported wrong? You should have Az put you in touch with Jonathan Adler, Adler'll tell you a bunch more lies you want to hear.

[peepinmofo]

Oh it was. And then you did everyone a favor and came here and reported it wrong too.

 

You hope it was reported wrong? You should have Az put you in touch with Jonathan Adler, Adler'll tell you a bunch more lies you want to hear.

 

You are so cool.

[Savage Beatings]

 

[Clubfoothead]

You are so cool.

 

If you are reporting that as a fact, that's probably not too good for me.

 

[bushwacked]

If you are reporting that as a fact, that's probably not too good for me.

 

 

[Pope Flick]

End scene.

[peepinmofo]

If you are reporting that as a fact, that's probably not too good for me.

 

Nothing I report is a fact, so clearly I was wrong.

[bushwacked]

In case anyone cares.

[WaterMan]

Boy calling it the DREAM Act is the sure fire way to anger some people.

[Ursa Majoris]

In case anyone cares.

They won't. It's all good fuel for their paranoia and victimhood.

[McBoog]

OK. As someone from the inside, here are some realities and solutions. I know up front some of you won't like what I have to say, but since I deal/live with this frustration EVERY FRIGGEN DAY at work, here I go.

 

1) No way we will ever be able to catch and deport everyone that is here illegally. It is impossible and for anyone to say that we should "at least try" is peeing on a forest fire. The reality, is that this administration is making it harder on us to even prosecute the criminal aliens that our "leaders" are saying we are focusing on. Even when we hook up the visa violators (students out of status like the 9-11 hijackers etc.) considered SIAs (Significant Interest Aliens, usually indicated by country of origin), the immigration judges (IJs) are letting them walk right out the back door. As fast as my guys can find them and catch them, the IJs are letting them walk with low to no bonds. I can't think of one that we put into proceedings in the last year and a half that was actually deported. And these are REALLY people we don't want here! As long as the administration is controlling the policy and direction of the CIS (Citizenship and Immigration Services) portion of Homeland Security, it doesn't matter how many we hook up. Unless we get a target that has a prior deportation and an aggravated felony conviction or is in criminal violation of some other federal law so we can get the criminal attorneys (USAO) to take it (the guidelines for cases they will accept has gotten more difficult on us as well at the direction of the administration), there is a better than even chance they are going to walk out the back door.

 

2) You don't have to deport them if they self deport. How is this going to happen? Well. You make eVerify a mandatory program for ALL registered businesses in the US. This would also include renting, leasing or buying a place to live, registering/selling/renting/using vehicles, etc. You make the penalties so Draconian on the violators (not the aliens) that there is no way anyone would risk it. Eventually, with no place to work, sleep or even a way to get there, the vast majority would go home themselves or "self deport". Sure, there would be some stragglers, especially in small, labor based companies (lawn care for example), but even then it would be difficult to survive if finding a place to live is next to impossible. Doubtful you say? My mother in law was born here in the US to a "migrant field worker" (they even had their PC terms back in the 30s and 40s). When the laws became more restrictive and there were fewer yobs, when she was 2, her parents left and went back to Mexico as did tens of thousands of other Mexicans, taking her and the other three kids born here with them. It works. We don't have to go "Gestapo" on the aliens, just force our own citizenry to obey the current laws. Others more conservative than I would oppose this, but I would be willing to allow companies to petition for laborers for a six month period in every 12 months as long as we know where they are, are paying taxes (except Social Security since it is a temporary status and it will not permit them to live here forever) and it does not provide any path to citizenship (outside of the already existing channels). It would NOT extend to family members. They would have to stay behind in the home country (unless also petitioned for and are working as well). This status would not allow any public benefits to the worker.

 

3) Speaking of which, if you can't prove you are here legally, you don't get ANY public benefits, be they food stamps, going to school or medical care. You also change the law so that a baby born to an illegal or alien legally present but on a non-immigrant visa, does not derive US Citizenship. It is a fallacy to say that allowing them to stay under the current law benefits either political party. Any voting block that would derive (legal) votes from these people would not evolve for about 21 years from the birth of the first "anchor baby" anyway. That is when a child is able to petition for a parent to be here legally. Then, even after a valid application, five more years after that before being eligible to Naturalize. What are we talking about? 26 years at the fastest?!?! There are circumstances that can even lengthen this time frame or negate the possibility completely. That is why "some form of amnesty" is being pushed so hard by the democrats. They want to accelerate this time frame and cut 20 years off of the process, thereby increasing their voting block as a perceived "favor". Hispanics that are not from here and have not yet been polluted by the likes of LULAC and other organizations are generally as, if not more conservative than conservatives here in the US. Many Latino voting blocks are very conservative in both Florida and Texas. So this strategy could ultimately backfire on the left anyway. Especially when entitlements start getting slashed the way they are going to have to be. The whole going to school thing to be a citizen is BS. It you want to become a citizen, you can always join the military. Serve the country and earn the right to live in the greatest country on earth (and if you don't believe it is, go live in another one and leave my "messed up" country to me the way it is). Another thing this does is it stops the tragedy that I lived every year when I was working the border just after the holidays. All these illegal families that went back to Mexico for Christmas and would take their anchor baby with them, would be greeted with the harsh reality when they tried to come back that they were still not allowed to enter the country. The baby could, but they could not. It was very sad and troubled me greatly to see these families go into an uncontrollable wobble as we would turn them back. Removing the anchor baby scenario removes much of the confusion generated by having a US citizen child as an illegal or non-immigrant status alien.

 

4) By making it almost impossible to get a "yob", you greatly diminish the number of people wanting to come here illegally. The border then reverts to a more manageable environment of interdicting narcotics and illegal goods. This in turn means less fiscal expenditure trying to build fences and hire thousands of officers to patrol it. Even adding manpower to the border right now will do nothing as long as the whole "prosecutorial discretion" thingy exists. It also means a great reduction in the horrific border violence as well as the abuses I see to the people coming here (one 18 year old girl from Guatemala told me she was raped 7 times, four by Mexican officials on her way here and twice by the smugglers. She was relieved to be in our custody and it was the first time she had felt safe in almost five months of travel. Four guys I talked to from El Salvador were forced into slave labor on a farm for three months by Mexican authorities for violating Mexican immigration laws). Right now ERO (Enforcement and Removal Operations) is hooking up anyone illegal just for the stats. There is so much available bed space in the immigration holding facilities, that they just cycle them through, knowing that none of them are going to be kept. Smoke and mirrors. All these claims of "more aliens being arrested than ever" that the administration is claiming are empty statistics. What good does arresting/detaining any of these people do if 95% of them are being released within the day?

 

Well, there you have it. Now, have at me.

[SEC=UGA]

OK. As someone from the inside, here are some realities and solutions. I know up front some of you won't like what I have to say, but since I deal/live with this frustration EVERY FRIGGEN DAY at work, here I go.

 

1) No way we will ever be able to catch and deport everyone that is here illegally. It is impossible and for anyone to say that we should "at least try" is peeing on a forest fire. The reality, is that this administration is making it harder on us to even prosecute the criminal aliens that our "leaders" are saying we are focusing on. Even when we hook up the visa violators (students out of status like the 9-11 hijackers etc.) considered SIAs (Significant Interest Aliens, usually indicated by country of origin), the immigration judges (IJs) are letting them walk right out the back door. As fast as my guys can find them and catch them, the IJs are letting them walk with low to no bonds. I can't think of one that we put into proceedings in the last year and a half that was actually deported. And these are REALLY people we don't want here! As long as the administration is controlling the policy and direction of the CIS (Citizenship and Immigration Services) portion of Homeland Security, it doesn't matter how many we hook up. Unless we get a target that has a prior deportation and an aggravated felony conviction or is in criminal violation of some other federal law so we can get the criminal attorneys (USAO) to take it (the guidelines for cases they will accept has gotten more difficult on us as well at the direction of the administration), there is a better than even chance they are going to walk out the back door.

 

2) You don't have to deport them if they self deport. How is this going to happen? Well. You make eVerify a mandatory program for ALL registered businesses in the US. This would also include renting, leasing or buying a place to live, registering/selling/renting/using vehicles, etc. You make the penalties so Draconian on the violators (not the aliens) that there is no way anyone would risk it. Eventually, with no place to work, sleep or even a way to get there, the vast majority would go home themselves or "self deport". Sure, there would be some stragglers, especially in small, labor based companies (lawn care for example), but even then it would be difficult to survive if finding a place to live is next to impossible. Doubtful you say? My mother in law was born here in the US to a "migrant field worker" (they even had their PC terms back in the 30s and 40s). When the laws became more restrictive and there were fewer yobs, when she was 2, her parents left and went back to Mexico as did tens of thousands of other Mexicans, taking her and the other three kids born here with them. It works. We don't have to go "Gestapo" on the aliens, just force our own citizenry to obey the current laws. Others more conservative than I would oppose this, but I would be willing to allow companies to petition for laborers for a six month period in every 12 months as long as we know where they are, are paying taxes (except Social Security since it is a temporary status and it will not permit them to live here forever) and it does not provide any path to citizenship (outside of the already existing channels). It would NOT extend to family members. They would have to stay behind in the home country (unless also petitioned for and are working as well). This status would not allow any public benefits to the worker.

 

3) Speaking of which, if you can't prove you are here legally, you don't get ANY public benefits, be they food stamps, going to school or medical care. You also change the law so that a baby born to an illegal or alien legally present but on a non-immigrant visa, does not derive US Citizenship. It is a fallacy to say that allowing them to stay under the current law benefits either political party. Any voting block that would derive (legal) votes from these people would not evolve for about 21 years from the birth of the first "anchor baby" anyway. That is when a child is able to petition for a parent to be here legally. Then, even after a valid application, five more years after that before being eligible to Naturalize. What are we talking about? 26 years at the fastest?!?! There are circumstances that can even lengthen this time frame or negate the possibility completely. That is why "some form of amnesty" is being pushed so hard by the democrats. They want to accelerate this time frame and cut 20 years off of the process, thereby increasing their voting block as a perceived "favor". Hispanics that are not from here and have not yet been polluted by the likes of LULAC and other organizations are generally as, if not more conservative than conservatives here in the US. Many Latino voting blocks are very conservative in both Florida and Texas. So this strategy could ultimately backfire on the left anyway. Especially when entitlements start getting slashed the way they are going to have to be. The whole going to school thing to be a citizen is BS. It you want to become a citizen, you can always join the military. Serve the country and earn the right to live in the greatest country on earth (and if you don't believe it is, go live in another one and leave my "messed up" country to me the way it is). Another thing this does is it stops the tragedy that I lived every year when I was working the border just after the holidays. All these illegal families that went back to Mexico for Christmas and would take their anchor baby with them, would be greeted with the harsh reality when they tried to come back that they were still not allowed to enter the country. The baby could, but they could not. It was very sad and troubled me greatly to see these families go into an uncontrollable wobble as we would turn them back. Removing the anchor baby scenario removes much of the confusion generated by having a US citizen child as an illegal or non-immigrant status alien.

 

4) By making it almost impossible to get a "yob", you greatly diminish the number of people wanting to come here illegally. The border then reverts to a more manageable environment of interdicting narcotics and illegal goods. This in turn means less fiscal expenditure trying to build fences and hire thousands of officers to patrol it. Even adding manpower to the border right now will do nothing as long as the whole "prosecutorial discretion" thingy exists. It also means a great reduction in the horrific border violence as well as the abuses I see to the people coming here (one 18 year old girl from Guatemala told me she was raped 7 times, four by Mexican officials on her way here and twice by the smugglers. She was relieved to be in our custody and it was the first time she had felt safe in almost five months of travel. Four guys I talked to from El Salvador were forced into slave labor on a farm for three months by Mexican authorities for violating Mexican immigration laws). Right now ERO (Enforcement and Removal Operations) is hooking up anyone illegal just for the stats. There is so much available bed space in the immigration holding facilities, that they just cycle them through, knowing that none of them are going to be kept. Smoke and mirrors. All these claims of "more aliens being arrested than ever" that the administration is claiming are empty statistics. What good does arresting/detaining any of these people do if 95% of them are being released within the day?

 

Well, there you have it. Now, have at me.

 

Sounds good to me.

Not what you wanted to hear, is it?

[McBoog]

Sounds good to me.

Not what you wanted to hear, is it?

 

I deal with enough animosity and conflict at work. I don't come here to the tailgate to pick fights.

 

How do we get "them" to understand though?

 

And frankly, besides the 'Backdoor amnesty" that was just put into place, it wasn't that much better under the previous administration either!

[bushwacked]

In case anyone cares.

 

 

They won't. It's all good fuel for their paranoia and victimhood.

 

The Dream Act also has not, as claimed above, been enacted by the Obama Administration. It was introduced to the Senate by Senator Richard Durbin of Illinois in May 2011 and was referred to a judiciary subcommittee on 28 June 2011. A similar bill was introduced to the House by Rep. Howard Berman of California and has nikewise been referred to a judiciary subcommittee. Neither bill has even been voted upon, much less passed and enacted.

 

And frankly, besides the 'Backdoor amnesty"that was just put into place, it wasn't that much better under the previous administration either!

 

 

 

Clockwork.

 

Jeebus, I didn't read McBoog's Three Part Lord of the Illegal Alien Ring Trilogy,what did I miss besides not having a clue?

[Clubfoothead]

Jeebus, I didn't read McBoog's Three Part Lord of the Illegal Alien Ring Trilogy,what did I miss besides not having a clue?

 

Nothing to see there.

[McBoog]

Clockwork.

 

Jeebus, I didn't read McBoog's Three Part Lord of the Illegal Alien Ring Trilogy,what did I miss besides not having a clue?

 

I see nothing has changed here in the tailgate.

 

The rude and uncivil are still just that,

 

The ignorant are incapable of reading and participating in honest discussion.

 

Live my life and do my job and maybe you will get a clue on the reality we face regarding illegal immigration. But, you would not be able to handle the truth I face every day. Enjoy living in fantasy land princess.

[tosberg34]

I see nothing has changed here in the tailgate.

 

The rude and uncivil are still just that,

 

The ignorant are incapable of reading and participating in honest discussion.

 

Live my life and do my job and maybe you will get a clue on the reality we face regarding illegal immigration. But, you would not be able to handle the truth I face every day. Enjoy living in fantasy land princess.

 

+1,000,000,000

[Clubfoothead]

And frankly, besides the 'Backdoor amnesty" that was just put into place

 

I see nothing has changed here in the tailgate.

 

No $hit, you still can't f*cking read.

[bushwacked]

I see nothing has changed here in the tailgate.

 

The rude and uncivil are still just that,

 

The ignorant are incapable of reading and participating in honest discussion.

 

Reading...and honesty

 

You wrote a 10,000 word essay, believing something that is completely false. After it was discussed, in detail, in previous posts, and shown to be unequivocally false.

 

Reading...and honesty :

Edited July 19, 2011 by bushwacked

[peepinmofo]

I see nothing has changed here in the tailgate.

 

The rude and uncivil are still just that,

 

The ignorant are incapable of reading and participating in honest discussion.

 

Live my life and do my job and maybe you will get a clue on the reality we face regarding illegal immigration. But, you would not be able to handle the truth I face every day. Enjoy living in fantasy land princess.

There is more than just one here. Quite a few actually.

[Pope Flick]

There is more than just one here. Quite a few actually.

 

Post something false and pay the piper, princess.