rocknrobn26 Posted July 1, 2008 Share Posted July 1, 2008 Too bad spain isn't here to give lessons. I miss spain also, but what do you want to know? There are only about 4 bets on the table worth betting: Pass Line/Odds Come/Odds Place (6 & 8) Maybe a 5 &9, but only if the 6/8 is in play, but never the 4/10. House %age is too high. ~6% Field only when the numbers are coming out heavy. The reverse 'Don't bets' included, but I have a hard time going against the table and GIVING odds. All the rest have bad odds, but I admit to playing them when I'm up. I took 6th place in a tourney.......Wait a second.............I hear an echo, having a little deja vu........Click Here... I may not win much, lose mostly, but I did have a 45 minute run once and Mrs. rr is a witness, but I know the game. As the old gambler said "I'd rather be lucky than good......problem is I'm good." Frankly you shouldn't play until you KNOW THE GAME! There are a lot of betting strategies, but they require big $$$ to cover bets and the progress is slow. I want to hit a table, watch it get hot, and leave before I lose. It is by far the best game in a casino for fun and excitement. But the well is deep, and frankly I can't last as long as I do on Blackjack. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pope Flick Posted July 1, 2008 Share Posted July 1, 2008 I miss spain also, but what do you want to know? There are only about 4 bets on the table worth betting: Pass Line/Odds Come/Odds Place (6 & 8) Maybe a 5 &9, but only if the 6/8 is in play, but never the 4/10. House %age is too high. ~6% Field only when the numbers are coming out heavy. The reverse 'Don't bets' included, but I have a hard time going against the table and GIVING odds. All the rest have bad odds, but I admit to playing them when I'm up. I took 6th place in a tourney.......Wait a second.............I hear an echo, having a little deja vu........Click Here... I may not win much, lose mostly, but I did have a 45 minute run once and Mrs. rr is a witness, but I know the game. As the old gambler said "I'd rather be lucky than good......problem is I'm good." Frankly you shouldn't play until you KNOW THE GAME! There are a lot of betting strategies, but they require big $$$ to cover bets and the progress is slow. I want to hit a table, watch it get hot, and leave before I lose. It is by far the best game in a casino for fun and excitement. But the well is deep, and frankly I can't last as long as I do on Blackjack. This is sage advice: remember that craps 'having the best odds' in Vegas is true if you follow the above advice. When you do it properly you are running at 49.428% in your chance to win at a double odds table. I layman's trerms that means following Robn's advice, and avoid ALL center table bets: field: Yo: C+E: Hard ways, etc. Those bets take you from microns away from 50/50 to a steep house advantage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big John Posted July 1, 2008 Share Posted July 1, 2008 Frankly you shouldn't play until you KNOW THE GAME! that is where i am stuck. The other concepts you typed are still Greek to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rocknrobn26 Posted July 1, 2008 Share Posted July 1, 2008 (edited) that is where i am stuck. The other concepts you typed are still Greek to me. John, my friend, when Skippy and I introduced you to blackjack (2006), it took you all of 5 mins to understand the game and maybe 10 more to master basic strategy (when to stay, hit,double, etc.)! The only problem you may have is wanting to put $300 at risk for a possible relative short period at craps. Very understandable. I wish they still had the $00.25 crap games that I learned on (@ Sam's Town circa 1985?). You would learn fast w/ minimal risk. With your math brain, you'd be a wiz! Then you could go to the $10 table and clean up! Edited July 1, 2008 by rocknrobn26 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westvirginia Posted July 1, 2008 Share Posted July 1, 2008 John, my friend, when Skippy and I introduced you to blackjack (2006), it took you all of 5 mins to understand the game and maybe 10 more to master basic strategy (when to stay, hit,double, etc.)! The only problem you may have is wanting to put $300 at risk for a possible relative short period at craps. Very understandable. I wish they still had the $00.25 crap games that I learned on (@ Sam's Town circa 1985?). You would learn fast w/ minimal risk. With your math brain, you'd be a wiz! Then you could go to the $10 table and clean up! So then explain to us with math brains how the game works. Like BJ, I haven't a clue. I know you use dice, and if you're lucky, you can get hot wimmens to blow on em... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoJoTheWebToedBoy Posted July 2, 2008 Share Posted July 2, 2008 (edited) Always find the craps table with the highest odds on the line once the point is established put down the max odds bet. Edited to add: Always ask the dealers for help in putting out the correct money on the numbers. If you are short and your point hits you will not get paid on the risk you are taking. The dealers are usually very helpfull to someone who is learning or to drunk to add! Good advice..... I mostly play pass line and odds Oh, and WV if you win big..... us can usually get one of those womens to blow on more then the dice Man, I haven't played any craps in a long time... going to have to do that the next time I'm in Vegas Edited July 2, 2008 by JoJoTheWebToedBoy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I Like Soup Posted July 2, 2008 Share Posted July 2, 2008 I bet the PASS line and then when the point is made, I back it up. I will then put side bets on only the 6 and 8 as they are the second most likely rolled numbers besides 7. If the point is made, and it is a 6 or 8, I'll max my back up bet on the PASS line, and only bet the remaining side bet. That really is the only way to play to have even house odds or slightly better. Betting the COME...meh. then you may end up with a crappy side bet like a 4 or something, that is why I stay away from it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
godtomsatan Posted July 2, 2008 Share Posted July 2, 2008 I miss spain also, but what do you want to know? The man told showed me how to turn $100 into $500 in about 20 minutes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rocknrobn26 Posted July 2, 2008 Share Posted July 2, 2008 (edited) So then explain to us with math brains how the game works. Like BJ, I haven't a clue. I know you use dice, and if you're lucky, you can get hot wimmens to blow on em... If you're talking about Craps, all I can say is read what I wrote above. All the odds/house advantage are good. The rest are bad. TY, POPE for your compliment. I did spend a long time doing research and w/o the "betting strategies" I KNOW it works! Betting strats are a whole different animal. As I said big $$$, minimal return, and very long term at the table. If you're talking about Black Jack, PM me and I'll send you a cheat sheet (in a Word Doc) that you can use. It works for single and double deck games. Minor adjustment necessary for shoe games. Actually, if you are anal there are 1 or 2 hands that can change my sheet also, but you can look those up yourself. Mine is aggressive! Here's the sheet, but I have no problem emailing it in it's entirety to whomever wants it. It's better than those little cards that you can buy, because the print is bigger and the way I have it formatted in Word, it's about the size of a dollar bill. Not to mention it's broken into categories of play. SOFT A2-A5 DD 4-6 HIT REST A6 DD 3-6 HIT REST A7 DD 3-6 HIT 9/10/A 2/7/8 STAND A8-A9 STAND PAIRS SPLIT ALL ACES 2-2 SPLIT 2-7 HIT REST 3-3 SPLIT 2-8 HIT REST 4-4 SPLIT 4-6 HIT REST 5-5 DD 2-9 HIT REST 6-6 SPLIT 2-6 HIT REST 7-7 SPLIT 2-8 HIT REST 8-8 SPLIT/SURRENDER 9-9 SPLIT 2-6 8-9 STAND ON REST HARD 3-8 HIT 9 DD 2-6 10 DD 2-9 HIT A & 10 11 DD ALL 12 STAND 4-6 HIT REST 13 HIT 7-A STAND REST 14 HIT 7-A STAND REST 15 SAME AS 14 SUR. 10 16 SAME AS 14 SUR. 9-A 17-21 STAND Understand, your hand is first! That is if your hand is A2-A5, DD 4-6 HIT REST! Not sure how the above will print, so if you want the Doc, PM me! It even fits into a pack of cigs! Edited July 2, 2008 by rocknrobn26 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
montster Posted July 2, 2008 Share Posted July 2, 2008 I bet the PASS line and then when the point is made, I back it up. I will then put side bets on only the 6 and 8 as they are the second most likely rolled numbers besides 7. If the point is made, and it is a 6 or 8, I'll max my back up bet on the PASS line, and only bet the remaining side bet. That really is the only way to play to have even house odds or slightly better. Betting the COME...meh. then you may end up with a crappy side bet like a 4 or something, that is why I stay away from it. wow, this is really weird. my wife and i are in vegas right now, and a couple nights ago we hit the craps tables and lost some money. then i remembered there was a thread here from a couple years ago about craps strategies, so i looked at the thread last night. i was coming here to reply to it and saw that mrted bumped it. after reading RR's and some of the others' strategies, i decided we would bet the pass line, back it up with 2x to 3x in chips, and bet the 6 and 8 (assuming neither is the point). i used to bet hard ways and other stuff, but i avoided all bets in the middle of the table. we did do some place bets on 9, but avoided the others. if there was a hot shooter, we backed up our pass line bet and pressed the place bets. in about an hour last night, we turned $80 into $300. the other key: i forced us to walk away. tonight's our last night, so now we've got some worry-free money to place with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rocknrobn26 Posted July 2, 2008 Share Posted July 2, 2008 The man told showed me how to turn $100 into $500 in about 20 minutes. Believe me................what ever spain showed you was prolly good, but gambling is based on the millennium, NOT a short stay at any table! It's sometimes easy to win short term, seen it many times, It's those that can hang in the game for years that prove their worth! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rocknrobn26 Posted July 2, 2008 Share Posted July 2, 2008 wow, this is really weird. my wife and i are in vegas right now, and a couple nights ago we hit the craps tables and lost some money. then i remembered there was a thread here from a couple years ago about craps strategies, so i looked at the thread last night. i was coming here to reply to it and saw that mrted bumped it. after reading RR's and some of the others' strategies, i decided we would bet the pass line, back it up with 2x to 3x in chips, and bet the 6 and 8 (assuming neither is the point). i used to bet hard ways and other stuff, but i avoided all bets in the middle of the table. we did do some place bets on 9, but avoided the others. if there was a hot shooter, we backed up our pass line bet and pressed the place bets. in about an hour last night, we turned $80 into $300. the other key: i forced us to walk away. tonight's our last night, so now we've got some worry-free money to place with. Cool! The bottom line is, have fun, don't gamble the rent/house payment, and walk away with a thrill. Good luck, Montser! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
godtomsatan Posted July 2, 2008 Share Posted July 2, 2008 Believe me................what ever spain showed you was prolly good, but gambling is based on the millennium, NOT a short stay at any table! It's sometimes easy to win short term, seen it many times, It's those that can hang in the game for years that prove their worth! That's why I try to walk away....try....very....very....very hard to walk away.... I have pretty good luck with the game, as I will lose my $100-$200 in one go round the table once in maybe every three times I play. I follow the spain advice, which isn't anything different than has been stated here (pass line, backing it up, 6/8). Very conservative and the best odds. Sometimes it pays off well when you grind it out (I've gone up $800 over a couple of hours), and sometimes you're done in 15 minutes. It is my favorite table game, but a heckuva lot funner when you win. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TDFFFreak Posted July 2, 2008 Share Posted July 2, 2008 I bet the PASS line and then when the point is made, I back it up. I will then put side bets on only the 6 and 8 as they are the second most likely rolled numbers besides 7. If the point is made, and it is a 6 or 8, I'll max my back up bet on the PASS line, and only bet the remaining side bet. That really is the only way to play to have even house odds or slightly better. Betting the COME...meh. then you may end up with a crappy side bet like a 4 or something, that is why I stay away from it. Your thinking may be a bit faulty here. With the COME bet you get the benefit of the come out roll where a 7 comes and you get paid even money on your come bet. Not that you want that to happen because you'll lose your pass line bet, but remember that you put less odds money on the 4 & 10 for a 2-1 payout. Buying the 6&8 are perfectly fine, but I'd argue that doing a come bet even if it establishes a 4 or 10 is better than any other strategy outside of the ones RR laid out above and equal to what RR suggested. The 4 is mainly "crappy" in your mind because you know it hits less, but as I said, you put up less money in odds to win more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HowboutthemCowboys Posted July 2, 2008 Share Posted July 2, 2008 http://www.ildado.com/free_craps.html there's plenty of these sites out there. Google is your friend. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HowboutthemCowboys Posted July 2, 2008 Share Posted July 2, 2008 Does anyone else put a small hard way on the number? Just makes it that much tastier if they make the number hitting the hard way and isn't any huge loss if they make it regular since you're getting paid anyway. absolutely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HowboutthemCowboys Posted July 2, 2008 Share Posted July 2, 2008 On a $5 table I ned to have at least $300 for a bankroll Sadly, I don't think I've ever seen a $5 table. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rocknrobn26 Posted July 2, 2008 Share Posted July 2, 2008 Sadly, I don't think I've ever seen a $5 table. Saw them in Vegas when I was w/ Skip in Feb, at the Flam, but midweek! I have also heard they have a lot of $1 tables downtown Vegas. I hate downtown, so it is moot to me! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I Like Soup Posted July 2, 2008 Share Posted July 2, 2008 The 4 is mainly "crappy" in your mind because you know it hits less, but as I said, you put up less money in odds to win more. This is key, in my opinion, to solid betting. The 4 does indeed, hit less. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrTed46 Posted July 2, 2008 Author Share Posted July 2, 2008 Have you guys ever though of putting LAY BETS on the 4 and 10 on every roll? Maybe put bet on 6 and 8 and lay bet on 4 and 10 (assuming the point isnt those #s) Since they almost never come out I was thinking about this? thoughts? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ziachild007 Posted July 2, 2008 Share Posted July 2, 2008 (edited) I got introduced to it a few years ago in Atlantic City and loved playing it ever since. I'm not a maven when it come to all the different bets available on the table, so I just do the usual 6-8 and an occasional 5 or 10 (depending on the point). I also throw in a few hard bets or a Yo here and there. Nothing too fancy. From what I've read on the boards, I think Spain is very well versed in this game. Same here. I recently played a game called Craps No More at a local casino (Shreveport,LA). It totally changes the game up since all numbers except 7 can be a point, including 2,3,11, and 12. It was a lot different, but a lot of fun. I think (could be wrong though) that it gives a little better odds to the house. Anyone else ever play it? Edited July 2, 2008 by Ziachild007 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TDFFFreak Posted July 2, 2008 Share Posted July 2, 2008 (edited) This is key, in my opinion, to solid betting. The 4 does indeed, hit less. Does "solid betting" mean proper odds or just your feeling? I am NOT saying your method of doing the pass and then buying the 6 & 8 is poor or faulty thinking. It's a perfectly good and solid strategy. What I am saying is that the difference between your way of playing and mine (placing come bets after the point, even if a 4 or 10 is rolled) are about equal odds regardless if the 4 or 10 hit less. So the betting is as solid with a COME bet as it is buying the 6 & 8 after the pass bet. * I believe any other opinion would be based on a feeling rather than the odds based on facts. Please clairify if I have misunderstood what you were saying. *Remember, my strategy is based on maxing my odds whenever possible. Edited July 2, 2008 by TDFFFreak Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I Like Soup Posted July 2, 2008 Share Posted July 2, 2008 Does "solid betting" mean proper odds or just your feeling? I am NOT saying your method of doing the pass and then buying the 6 & 8 is poor or faulty thinking. It's a perfectly good and solid strategy. What I am saying is that the difference between your way of playing and mine (placing come bets after the point, even if a 4 or 10 is rolled) is about equal odds regardless if the 4 or 10 hit less. So the betting is as solid with a COME bet as it is buying the 6 & 8 after the pass bet. * I believe any other opinion would be based on a feeling rather than the odds based on facts. Please clairify if I have misunderstood what you were saying. *Remember, my strategy is based on maxing my odds whenever possible. Well, in my opinion, solid betting is going purely by the odds. Now, of course, there are people like me that are conservative with their money and would like to put themselves in the best position to win. And then there are gamblers, who like to play on feel, go for the gusto, play against the odds for the payoff, etc. That just ain't me. So, yes, I agree with your strategy on maxing odds. I guess I probably deviate slightly because I look at it purely from the statistical probability of what number is going to come up over another, regardless of money. If I bet $10 on a 4 lets say, and I bet $6 on the 6, for arguments sake lets say the money odds are the same. I wouldn't take the 4 bet because the likelihood of a 6 being rolled is much higher, thereby negating any "max odd" that I may have if I have money on the 4 because it is less likely to happen in the first place. Am I making any sense? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TDFFFreak Posted July 2, 2008 Share Posted July 2, 2008 (edited) Well, in my opinion, solid betting is going purely by the odds. Now, of course, there are people like me that are conservative with their money and would like to put themselves in the best position to win. And then there are gamblers, who like to play on feel, go for the gusto, play against the odds for the payoff, etc. That just ain't me. So, yes, I agree with your strategy on maxing odds. I guess I probably deviate slightly because I look at it purely from the statistical probability of what number is going to come up over another, regardless of money. If I bet $10 on a 4 lets say, and I bet $6 on the 6, for arguments sake lets say the money odds are the same. I wouldn't take the 4 bet because the likelihood of a 6 being rolled is much higher, thereby negating any "max odd" that I may have if I have money on the 4 because it is less likely to happen in the first place. Am I making any sense? What I am a bit confused about with your explaination is do you look at each roll independently or simply the value of the 4 vs. the 6 coming up? I am not the odds guru by any stretch, but I think something that may be ignored in your assessment is the come out role for the COME bet. I can't quote the odds, but that roll is in your favor of a 7 coming up. There is disaster around the bend if you establish a point and buy the 6 & 8 only to see the 7 roled on the dice. With the COME bet you have a sort of insurance if a 7 is rolled right away plus the oportunity to hit the point. Craps is a game of sequences and while each roll can be looked at independently, when it comes to money management and odds, you have to look at how those sequences affect each style of play. I am one of those players who plays by the odds and likes to gamble as little as possible, BTW. As I said, the point then buy 6&8 is fine, but it has equal downside to my COME betting. Am I making any sense? Edited July 2, 2008 by TDFFFreak Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I Like Soup Posted July 2, 2008 Share Posted July 2, 2008 What I am a bit confused about with your explaination is do you look at each roll independently or simply the value of the 4 vs. the 6 coming up? I am not the odds guru by any stretch, but I think something that may be ignored in your assessment is the come out role for the COME bet. I can't quote the odds, but that roll is in your favor of a 7 coming up. There is disaster around the bend if you establish a point and buy the 6 & 8 only to see the 7 roled on the dice. With the COME bet you have a sort of insurance if a 7 is rolled right away plus the oportunity to hit the point. Craps is a game of sequences and while each roll can be looked at independently, when it comes to money management and odds, you have to look at how those sequences affect each style of play. I am one of those players who plays by the odds and likes to gamble as little as possible, BTW. As I said, the point then buy 6&8 is fine, but it has equal downside to my COME betting. Am I making any sense? You sir, don't know what you are talking about! J/K :irishwink: Well, sure if you back your PASS line bet up when a point is made and put your money on a 6 or 8 and a 7 shows up, you are screwed. If you plopped down a bet on the COME, and a 7 is rolled, you get some consolation back, yes, I agree. But, if not, and lets say a 4 is rolled, your COME bet now pushes over to the 4, where you back it up with odds and then you see where I DON"T want to be. I'm not playing for the 7 to come up, I'm playing in hopes it doesn't. I do see what you are saying, but I just don't play the COME bet anymore and I can't remember why. I'd have to look up the odds again, etc., but I'm pretty sure it was because of the other bets I didn't like that came out of subsequent non-busting roles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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