borge007 Posted February 7, 2007 Share Posted February 7, 2007 Undoubtedly a great receiver. First ballot hall of famer. And I don't have a problem with the way he plays - given his stature, and apparently his nature, it makes sense. But, the dude plays soft. There are not too many football players out there (at least that I have seen) that avoid contact the way that he does. And if you're a football player that avoids contact, you are likely going to get tagged with that label. I'm sure he cares what Peter King thinks! If he plays soft, and is a winner and a future HOF member-so? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pope Flick Posted February 7, 2007 Share Posted February 7, 2007 You sure about that? His career numbers are much better than, say, Michael Irvin's, he caught the winning TD in a SB, and he'll probably retire as the Rams' all-time leading receiver. BTW, I thought that Bruce's one major injury was a torn hamstring in '98. I don't recall him suffering a major knee injury, although I might be wrong. I don't know why, but I thought he had missed the bulk of two years, not just 1998. He seemed to be injured forever, and I recall him being pulled from my draft list because of the risk, though I did grab in in 2001. I stand corrected. He should get in, especially since they let in the pimp. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chavez Posted February 7, 2007 Share Posted February 7, 2007 Marvin will end up as one of top 5 best receivers of all time ,I put him in top 3 already All due respect to Harrison, who is fantastic and arguably the best guy out there today, but NO F*CKING WAY is he top 3. Ever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeeR Posted February 7, 2007 Share Posted February 7, 2007 Peter King (aka "Norm") is an idiot?? GASP I'm shocked to learn of this. Really. Well I'm off to Starbucks. Tee hee. PS as the HoF becoming a joke also, it makes perfect sense he's on the commitee Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chavez Posted February 7, 2007 Share Posted February 7, 2007 BTW, I thought that Bruce's one major injury was a torn hamstring in '98. I don't recall him suffering a major knee injury, although I might be wrong. Swerski is right - Bruce was having hamstring issues (I don't think it was a tear - if so, it wasn't a major one) in '97 and '98, limiting him to 17 games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
isleseeya Posted February 7, 2007 Share Posted February 7, 2007 Chavez , by the time harrison is done his #'s will be right there , probably second only to rice ...and I think that's enough to put him in top 3 , imo ...guy is a top flight receiver who does it right week in and week out ...rock steady Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ursa Majoris Posted February 7, 2007 Share Posted February 7, 2007 (edited) I'm not going to discuss the relative merits of Harrison - his stats are quite able to speak for him. I will say that the title of this thread "Peter King is an idiot" is the most blatant statement of the obvious in 2007 so far. He is to be ignored, as are all buffoons like him. Edited February 7, 2007 by Ursa Majoris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chavez Posted February 7, 2007 Share Posted February 7, 2007 Chavez , by the time harrison is done his #'s will be right there , probably second only to rice ...and I think that's enough to put him in top 3 , imo ...guy is a top flight receiver who does it right week in and week out ...rock steady I won't disagree that he's a top flight WR who does it right week in and week out...I just think his stats have been slightly padded because he plays in the most passing-friendly era in NFL history. Let's put it this way, my #2 WR of all time is a guy who has less than 500 catches and 8000 yds. But those catches and yards arguably had more relative value than those of a guy like Michael Irvin's far superior numbers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HowboutthemCowboys Posted February 7, 2007 Share Posted February 7, 2007 Let's put it this way, my #2 WR of all time is a guy who has less than 500 catches and 8000 yds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
isleseeya Posted February 7, 2007 Share Posted February 7, 2007 ..I don't think harrison should be penalized for playing in a pass happy generation or for a team that airs out it out a lot But your pts are Fair enough chavez .. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chavez Posted February 7, 2007 Share Posted February 7, 2007 ..I don't think harrison should be penalized for playing in a pass happy generation or for a team that airs out it out a lot I'm not saying PENALIZE him, I'm just saying look at his numbers relative to what others are doing in the same time period. Let's face it, a turd like Brandon Stokely got 1100 yds and 10 tds with Manning throwing to him - while that doesn't mean Harrison is a turd, that DOES mean that an 1100 yd, 10 td season ain't what it used to be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
isleseeya Posted February 7, 2007 Share Posted February 7, 2007 Just out of curiousity , and its in no way meant to refute your last post chavez , how many wr ended up with 1100 yards and 10 td's this season ? I do not have the stats in front of me ( I am writing from my blackberry and its hard to surf ) but if I had to guess I would say 3 wr or less have those #'s / stats this season Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azazello1313 Posted February 7, 2007 Share Posted February 7, 2007 Because like said above, he's still an all time top 5 WR. Hands down. eh, i'm not so sure. based solely on numbers, sure. but what would his numbers be if he played for the oakland raiders? or how effective would he be if he played for a team that required its WRs to run-block, like the steelers or broncos? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chavez Posted February 7, 2007 Share Posted February 7, 2007 Just out of curiousity , and its in no way meant to refute your last post chavez , how many wr ended up with 1100 yards and 10 td's this season ? I do not have the stats in front of me ( I am writing from my blackberry and its hard to surf ) but if I had to guess I would say 3 wr or less have those #'s / stats this season Receiving yardsC Johnson 1369M Harrison 1366R Williams 1310R Wayne 1310D Driver 1295L Evans 1292A Boldin 1203T Holt 1188T Owens 1180S Smith 1166Receiving TDsT Owens 13M Harrison 12D Jackson 10T Holt 10P Burress 10 DJax had 956 yds, Burress had 988 yds. My points is that Brandon Stokely has as many 1000 yd season as Ray Berry, and 1 fewer 10 td seasons. Ricky Proehl is ahead of Charley Taylor, Don Maynard, Harold Charmichael, and Fred Biletnikoff on the all-time receptions list. It's hard NOT to argue that offensive stats, as a whole, have become inflated; comparing a player today with a player pre-1978 is like comparing an apple to an orange. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azazello1313 Posted February 7, 2007 Share Posted February 7, 2007 I won't disagree that he's a top flight WR who does it right week in and week out... well....he "does it right" as long as he's getting the ball. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chavez Posted February 7, 2007 Share Posted February 7, 2007 (edited) what would his numbers be if he played for the oakland raiders? or how effective would he be if he played for a team that required its WRs to run-block, like the steelers or broncos? ....or, to go to my point, what would his numbers llook like if he'd been the best WR in the NFL from 1969-1977? EDIT - just for argument's sake, I added up the numbers of the league leaders in receiving yards from 69-77 - they tallied 490-9771-90 tds. Not bad. But from 98-06, the league leaders in receiving yards combined for 922-13075-96 tds. That's nearly a 100% increase in rec, a 33% increase in yds, and tds are up in the area of 7%. See what I'm saying about the inflation in offensive stats? Edited February 7, 2007 by Chavez Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Swerski Posted February 7, 2007 Author Share Posted February 7, 2007 If Marvin is still putting up 1,000-yd seasons four or five years from now, we can start talking about him being one of the Top 3 ever. But not until then. And I'm not holding my breath. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ursa Majoris Posted February 7, 2007 Share Posted February 7, 2007 well....he "does it right" as long as he's getting the ball. Well....yeah. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Next Generation Posted February 7, 2007 Share Posted February 7, 2007 well, it's tough to take hits running little sideline routes and slants when you're down on the ground as soon as the ball gets there. when is the last time you can remember marvin taking a big-time stick? we don't know whether he holds on afterward or not, because it simply never happens. Did you watch the SB? He got his clocked cleaned. I was surprised he returned to the game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cdrudge Posted February 7, 2007 Share Posted February 7, 2007 I'm not saying PENALIZE him, I'm just saying look at his numbers relative to what others are doing in the same time period. Let's face it, a turd like Brandon Stokely got 1100 yds and 10 tds with Manning throwing to him - while that doesn't mean Harrison is a turd, that DOES mean that an 1100 yd, 10 td season ain't what it used to be.Can you really consider that the same when the QB that threw 1100yds/10td did so to 3 guys...and also set the TD record that year? If you can't catch 1100 yards and 10 TD when your QB throws for 49 TDs, something's wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
isleseeya Posted February 7, 2007 Share Posted February 7, 2007 (edited) If marvin continues a few more seasons at his / this pace I beleive he has done enough to be in top 3 ....I realize stats are not everything but they still are the main measuring stick and he should not be penalized because of the era he played in imo Edited February 7, 2007 by isleseeya Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Swerski Posted February 7, 2007 Author Share Posted February 7, 2007 Did you watch the SB? He got his clocked cleaned. I was surprised he returned to the game. Which, again, just goes to show how "soft" Marvin is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainHook Posted February 7, 2007 Share Posted February 7, 2007 (edited) His rookie year, he caught 64 passes for 836 yards and 8 TD's. That was with Harbaugh and Paul Justin as his QB. Sean Dawkins was supposed to be the number 1 WR that year. His second year, he caught 73 for 866 yards and 6 TD's. with Harbaugh, Justin, and Kelly Holcomb at QB. Would he have the numbers he has today if Peyton Manning didn't come along? No. But Jerry Rice wouldn't have near the numbers he does if he didn't play with Joe Montana AND Steve Young. As for not seeing Marvin get popped, you don't watch enough Colts football. He gets hit quite a bit. I can think back to the NE game when Rodney Harrison tried to rip his helmet off in mid-tackle on along catch. Is Harrison as tough as Owens or Boldin? Nope. But he's missed SIX games in his entire career. Owens has missed eighteen. Boldin (in four years) has missed eight. He's plenty tough. But his body couldn't handle being a YAC guy. He doesn't break tackles. He beats you with precision routes and great hands. He's a top 2 WR all time in my book. Edited February 7, 2007 by CaptainHook Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randall Posted February 7, 2007 Share Posted February 7, 2007 This is why I think several Huddlers are also idiots...everyone is so quick to drop the "Rosie O'Donnell" line when a guy is hurt, as perceived by them, NOT BADLY ENOUGH, to not play or play a certain way. I would suspect the media doesn't like Harrison as much as they should because he rarely, if ever, gives interviews...so why should the media defend him...in their twisted minds. I see it all the time with local beat reporters for the Sabres and Bills. Some are biased, spiteful, grudge holding losers. What bothers me is people calling players busts when they get hurt. I can see it if they are afraid to come back, but if you are really hurt it's a different story. As for interviews when he asked questions at media day all the reporters were shocked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randall Posted February 7, 2007 Share Posted February 7, 2007 Receiving yards 5-D Driver 1295 Receiving TDs 9-Driver 8 TD's. Not bad. Will he move up this year? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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