godtomsatan Posted February 21, 2007 Share Posted February 21, 2007 writes consistently-good songs for 15-20 years 78-84. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Swerski Posted February 21, 2007 Share Posted February 21, 2007 if that's your criteria.... So, what are the objective criteria for "proving" that the Beatles or Zepplein were great bands? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Swerski Posted February 21, 2007 Share Posted February 21, 2007 78-84. I think that's fair, although I'd argue that their '91-'96 period was pretty good as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
godtomsatan Posted February 21, 2007 Share Posted February 21, 2007 I think that's fair, although I'd argue that their '91-'96 period was pretty good as well. You would lose that argument. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azazello1313 Posted February 21, 2007 Share Posted February 21, 2007 So, what are the objective criteria for "proving" that the Beatles or Zepplein were great bands? it ain't how many records they sold. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AtomicCEO Posted February 22, 2007 Share Posted February 22, 2007 it ain't how many records they sold. So much for the free market theory, wiegie. I think it could be measured by album sales over time. If an album can continue to sell 20 years after the fad dies down, it was probably good music. Vanilla Ice may have had a #1 album, but I would bet that it sells fewer copies than Dark Side of the Moon has sold consistently for 25 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azazello1313 Posted February 22, 2007 Share Posted February 22, 2007 So much for the free market theory, wiegie. i've never really heard the free market theory proposed as a measure of artistic worth. so i guess ET and batman returns are among the greatest movies ever made, huh? I think it could be measured by album sales over time. If an album can continue to sell 20 years after the fad dies down, it was probably good music. Vanilla Ice may have had a #1 album, but I would bet that it sells fewer copies than Dark Side of the Moon has sold consistently for 25 years. eh, sort of. time does filter out most of the crap. but by that measure...van halen isn't exactly winning over new fans these days, are they? their current fan base is pretty much limited to 40 year-olds with mullets and camaros (no offense, timmay). even MOST of us who liked them back when we were young and stupid and they were the fad have moved on to (much) better things to listen to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
godtomsatan Posted February 22, 2007 Share Posted February 22, 2007 eh, sort of. time does filter out most of the crap. but by that measure...van halen isn't exactly winning over new fans these days, are they? their current fan base is pretty much limited to 40 year-olds with mullets and camaros (no offense, timmay). even MOST of us who liked them back when we were young and stupid and they were the fad have moved on to (much) better things to listen to. When I'm working a weekday evening at my bar, and 11:30pm or so rolls around, I have a crowd that I can tell is getting ready to go home for the night, one thing experience has taught me that keeps them inside for another round is Van Halen Van Halen. You may have moved on, but when the backwards car horn blares, Michael Anthony's bass starts thumping, and Alex and Eddie start crunching out the opening track of your high school soundtrack, you kick back and shout out "Runnin' with the De-villlllllll!" along with everybody else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bushwacked Posted February 22, 2007 Share Posted February 22, 2007 I seem to remember that they were the guys who had that punk/reggae hybrid thing going on. I wouldn't consider Bad Brains a hybrid of punk/reggae but more of being the originators of pure hardcore, then frequently pulling a Dr. Jekyl/Mr. Hyde with reggae. I'm not denying the volume of Van Halen's record sales or Eddie's talent, those just aren't pre-requisites for determiming what I consider good rock music. If I want to hear good old fashioned straighforward party rock, AC/DC's Back in Black soothes my soul more than Running w/ the Devil will ever know. I find the Ramones Hey, Ho, Let's Go, immensely more enjoyable than Eddie noodling Eruption on his geetar. I'll take any 1990's Supersuckers or Fu-Manchu albums over the commercially contribed Van Hagar any day of the week. That's just me, but trying to convince someone else of artistic rock merit strictly on record sales, talent, or degree of difficulty in playing, doesn't register on my meter. And I certainly don't give a rip if the popular opinion states Band A is better than Band B. When I'm working a weekday evening at my bar, and 11:30pm or so rolls around, I have a crowd that I can tell is getting ready to go home for the night, one thing experience has taught me that keeps them inside for another round is Van Halen Van Halen. You may have moved on, but when the backwards car horn blares, Michael Anthony's bass starts thumping, and Alex and Eddie start crunching out the opening track of your high school soundtrack, you kick back and shout out "Runnin' with the De-villlllllll!" along with everybody else. When did you start serving beers in Kent? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimC Posted February 22, 2007 Share Posted February 22, 2007 Who would you rather see? Kurt in a cardigan sweater or Roth in spandex? I win. Again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaP'N GRuNGe Posted February 22, 2007 Share Posted February 22, 2007 Who would you rather see? Kurt in a cardigan sweater or Roth in spandex? I win. Again. not Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Swerski Posted February 22, 2007 Share Posted February 22, 2007 (edited) I wouldn't consider Bad Brains a hybrid of punk/reggae but more of being the originators of pure hardcore, then frequently pulling a Dr. Jekyl/Mr. Hyde with reggae. I'm not denying the volume of Van Halen's record sales or Eddie's talent, those just aren't pre-requisites for determiming what I consider good rock music. If I want to hear good old fashioned straighforward party rock, AC/DC's Back in Black soothes my soul more than Running w/ the Devil will ever know. ... That's just me, but trying to convince someone else of artistic rock merit strictly on record sales, talent, or degree of difficulty in playing, doesn't register on my meter. And I certainly don't give a rip if the popular opinion states Band A is better than Band B. Well, of course... just as your personal opinion that Bad Brains "rocked much harder" than Van Halen doesn't really mean squat, either. I find the Ramones Hey, Ho, Let's Go, immensely more enjoyable than Eddie noodling Eruption on his geetar. Have to disagree with you there, but it's all just personal preference. I'll take any 1990's Supersuckers or Fu-Manchu albums over the commercially contrived Van Hagar any day of the week. And here we go with the "my commercially unsuccessful alternative band is better than your commercially successful mainstream band" argument. I'm surprised that it took you this long. Again, it's all personal preference. I don't care much for hardcore punk, so that's why I don't hold Bad Brains in high esteem. That said, I'm well aware that they're held in very high esteem in the punk/hardcore community and that they don't exactly suck. Feel better now? Now, if you're a fan of hardcore FUNK, I've been a huge EPMD fan since the late '80s. Edited February 22, 2007 by Bill Swerski Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexgaddis Posted February 22, 2007 Share Posted February 22, 2007 (edited) I used to get in music arguments all the time with friends back in the day...it is a waste of time...if a certain band or style of music makes you feel like the music i love makes me feel, wonderful... I pretty much can't stand anything from the 70's or 80's...and I hate the Beatles... Edited February 22, 2007 by alexgaddis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Swerski Posted February 22, 2007 Share Posted February 22, 2007 and I hate the Beatles... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexgaddis Posted February 22, 2007 Share Posted February 22, 2007 Let me re-phrase that...I have nothing against the Beatles as a band, they did amazing things for the state of music today, probably more than anyone...I just don't enjoy listening to their music... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Swerski Posted February 22, 2007 Share Posted February 22, 2007 Let me re-phrase that...I have nothing against the Beatles as a band, they did amazing things for the state of music today, probably more than anyone...I just don't enjoy listening to their music... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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