bpwallace49 Posted July 15, 2010 Share Posted July 15, 2010 Bulldiaper dirt. Both Reagan and Clinton were lambasted by political opponents from candidacy to that last day of their 8th year. And when you do the right thing and the country heads in the right direction then "the people" don't listen to the backlash. Slick willie was nearly a one-termer but Dick Morris got him back to the center and saved his presidency. The average american is smarter than given credit. Why do you think shrub's Daddy got the axe? He was a bonified war hero in WWII and put together a coalition that crushed Saddam in Kuwait with less men killed than most people would expect in a 1/2 million man training exercise. But because he banned guns and raised taxes and the economy tanked he was outta there. So don't tell me they can't do anything about it. The American people wouldn't be listening to it if not for his incompetency. Do you REALLY believe that all the problems our country is facing, 2 wars, economy in shambles, being ripped apart by partisan bullcrap . . . is all Obama's fault? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bushwacked Posted July 15, 2010 Share Posted July 15, 2010 Of course, right or wrong, the argument there is things would be X amount worse if not for their action. We are living in a great recession. Not exactly the typical economic environment most presidents have found themselves in. Exactly, if the Stimulus was enough of a momentum stopper in avoiding another Depression, it was probably worth every penny. In my mind, the Iraqi welfare state will always be be a Hugh blunder. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bpwallace49 Posted July 15, 2010 Share Posted July 15, 2010 Agreed, but I think the historical rules apply - the incumbants will pay a heavy price when the economy is in the toilet. "Things could be worse" is a crummy platform to run on. Very true, and in a lot of ways how Obama's presidency was doomed from the beginning. The elections follow the economy . . . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perchoutofwater Posted July 15, 2010 Share Posted July 15, 2010 Very true, and in a lot of ways how Obama's presidency was doomed from the beginning. The elections follow the economy . . . Prior to the election, when it looked like it could go either way, I said who ever was elected would be a one term president. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ursa Majoris Posted July 15, 2010 Share Posted July 15, 2010 Very true, and in a lot of ways how Obama's presidency was doomed from the beginning. The elections follow the economy . . . Doomed my ass. It's not 2 years yet, fer Chrissakes. Don't get suckered into the clutches of the Jeremiahs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perchoutofwater Posted July 15, 2010 Share Posted July 15, 2010 Doomed my ass. It's not 2 years yet, fer Chrissakes. Don't get suckered into the clutches of the Jeremiahs. About the only chance Obama has is to extend the Bush tax cuts and significantly cut spending. I see him extending a portion of the tax cut, but I don't see him reigning in spending. I also would be willing to bet the portion of the tax cuts he extends will be on the lower income brackets, rather then than the higher brackets and capital gains which would be what really needs to be done to jump start the economy. Right now there is a ton of cash sitting on the sidelines due to fear of taxation and regulation. The uncertainty of these two things is really causing a lot of business men to just sit on their hands and their cash, rather than investing in their businesses or starting new businesses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bpwallace49 Posted July 15, 2010 Share Posted July 15, 2010 (edited) Doomed my ass. It's not 2 years yet, fer Chrissakes. Don't get suckered into the clutches of the Jeremiahs. With the openly stated agenda of the Republicans being to oppose anything and everything by this admin, no matter how far to the center it is, IMO Obama is already set up to fail. With the economy doing very poorly, the incumbents always take a huge beating. With zero help to try and get the economy moving from the opposition party, the extension of poor economic conditions will naturally benefit the minority party. I sure dont want it to happen, but it is obvious the satge was set for Obamas administartion to fail before it even got started. Like the fiscal commision that was originally proposed by the Republicans was opposed by the same Republicans when Obama said "Ok, this is a good idea!" Why? Because the Republicans do not want anything to appear as though they are agreeing with the current admin in any way shape or form. I am rooting for Obama to succeed, and like I satted in another thread, I root for EVERY President to succeed. Cause that usually means the country is doing well. It is disappointing to have Americans cheering and scheming for the presidency(USA) to "fail" . .. Ursa . . with the economy doing so badly, a strong case could be made that if Obama didnt do a superhuman miracle and reverse the global economic meltdown, then he would be judged a failure. A different standard of measurement is used when things are bad. Edited July 15, 2010 by bpwallace49 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bushwacked Posted July 15, 2010 Share Posted July 15, 2010 (edited) Agreed, but I think the historical rules apply - the incumbants will pay a heavy price when the economy is in the toilet. "Things could be worse" is a crummy platform to run on. Well, in Bush's last 6 months of presidency The US shed 3.5 million jobs. Over the first 6 months of this year, our economy has added nearly 600,000 private enterprise jobs. That's a big turnaround. Is it sustainable and indicative of longer term recovery? I don't know, but, the dems can't effectively communicate these things to save their political lives. Edited July 15, 2010 by bushwacked Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clubfoothead Posted July 15, 2010 Share Posted July 15, 2010 The whacked out right still incorrectly feels 43 was not given a fair shake. As a result they've spent the entirity of Obama's administrations being intentionally obtructionist. In good conscience, I would never vote for another Republican again, under any circumstance. I've voted for them before but never again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy Neutron Posted July 15, 2010 Share Posted July 15, 2010 In good conscience, I would never vote for another Republican again, under any circumstance. I've voted for them before but never again. Sweet! You are half way there! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perchoutofwater Posted July 16, 2010 Share Posted July 16, 2010 Well, in Bush's last 6 months of presidency The US shed 3.5 million jobs. Over the first 6 months of this year, our economy has added nearly 600,000 private enterprise jobs. That's a big turnaround. Is it sustainable and indicative of longer term recovery? I don't know, but, the dems can't effectively communicate these things to save their political lives. What was the unemployment rate when Bush left office, and what is it today? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pope Flick Posted July 16, 2010 Share Posted July 16, 2010 What was the unemployment rate when Bush left office, and what is it today? Good question - it seems that from Jan 08 to January 09 (when Bush left office) the unemployment rate pretty well doubled from 5% to 9.8%. Since then, it peaked at around 11 percent (a 10% increase under Obama) and has dipped a bit to the level Bush left at: 10%. Thanks for asking. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmarc117 Posted July 16, 2010 Author Share Posted July 16, 2010 (edited) Very true, and in a lot of ways how Obama's presidency was doomed from the beginning. The elections follow the economy . . . yep. i cant believe anyone wouldve wanted to take charge of this sh1tshow we have. if i could see it coming, they could too. Doomed my ass. It's not 2 years yet, fer Chrissakes. Don't get suckered into the clutches of the Jeremiahs. this is gonna take alot longer than 2 years to get out of. Edited July 16, 2010 by dmarc117 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bushwacked Posted July 16, 2010 Share Posted July 16, 2010 Good question - it seems that from Jan 08 to January 09 (when Bush left office) the unemployment rate pretty well doubled from 5% to 9.8%. Since then, it peaked at around 11 percent (a 10% increase under Obama) and has dipped a bit to the level Bush left at: 10%. Thanks for asking. Yup, and the number of Americans filing for jobless claims has reached a nearly 2-year low. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoJoTheWebToedBoy Posted July 16, 2010 Share Posted July 16, 2010 Dont forget that Wallace is a very common mooslimKenyanIndonesian name . . . . Wasn't the founder of the Socialist Party named Wallace Like Hawaii is part of the United States. Sure it is, they have Mexicans also...... They are just really tired Do you REALLY believe that all the problems our country is facing, 2 wars, economy in shambles, being ripped apart by partisan bullcrap . . . is all Obama's fault? Yes..... In fact I have it on good authority (cough, cough, Fox News, cough, cough) that the BP oil Rig accident was really a left wing plot to distract the public while the Dems start sweeping Socialist changes and turning over control to non-christian members of the UN The whacked out right still incorrectly feels 43 was not given a fair shake. As a result they've spent the entirity of Obama's administrations being intentionally obtructionist. In good conscience, I would never vote for another Republican again, under any circumstance. I've voted for them before but never again. +1000 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darin3 Posted July 16, 2010 Share Posted July 16, 2010 I'm not gonna even read this thread, I just have to Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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