posty Posted September 9, 2010 Share Posted September 9, 2010 http://cnsnews.com/news/article/72404 In the first 19 months of the Obama administration, the federal debt held by the public increased by $2.5260 trillion, which is more than the cumulative total of the national debt held by the public that was amassed by all U.S. presidents from George Washington through Ronald Reagan. The U.S. Treasury Department divides the federal debt into two categories. One is “debt held by the public,” which includes U.S. government securities owned by individuals, corporations, state or local governments, foreign governments and other entities outside the federal government itself. The other is “intragovernmental” debt, which includes I.O.U.s the federal government gives to itself when, for example, the Treasury borrows money out of the Social Security “trust fund” to pay for expenses other than Social Security. At the end of fiscal year 1989, which ended eight months after President Reagan left office, the total federal debt held by the public was $2.1907 trillion, according to the Congressional Budget Office. That means all U.S. presidents from George Washington through Ronald Reagan had accumulated only that much publicly held debt on behalf of American taxpayers. That is $335.3 billion less than the $2.5260 trillion that was added to the federal debt held by the public just between Jan. 20, 2009, when President Obama was inaugurated, and Aug. 20, 2010, the 19-month anniversary of Obama's inauguration. By contrast, President Reagan was sworn into office on Jan. 20, 1981 and left office eight years later on Jan. 20, 1989. At the end of fiscal 1980, four months before Reagan was inaugurated, the federal debt held by the public was $711.9 billion, according to CBO. At the end of fiscal 1989, eight months after Reagan left office, the federal debt held by the public was $2.1907 trillion. That means that in the nine-fiscal-year period of 1980-89--which included all of Reagan’s eight years in office--the federal debt held by the public increased $1.4788 trillion. That is in excess of a trillion dollars less than the $2.5260 increase in the debt held by the public during Obama’s first 19 months. When President Barack Obama took the oath of office on Jan. 20, 2009, the total federal debt held by the public stood at 6.3073 trillion, according to the Bureau of the Public Debt, a division of the U.S. Treasury Department. As of Aug. 20, 2010, after the first nineteen months of President Obama’s 48-month term, the total federal debt held by the public had grown to a total of $8.8333 trillion, an increase of $2.5260 trillion. In just the last four months (May through August), according to the CBO, the Obama administration has run cumulative deficits of $464 billion, more than the $458 billion deficit the Bush administration ran through the entirety of fiscal 2008. The CBO predicted this week that the annual budget deficit for fiscal 2010, which ends on the last day of this month, will exceed $1.3 trillion. The first two fiscal years in which Obama has served will see the two biggest federal deficits as a percentage of Gross Domestic Product since the end of World War II. “CBO currently estimates that the deficit for 2010 will be about $70 billion below last year’s total but will still exceed $1.3 trillion,” said the CBO’s monthly budget review for September, which was released yesterday. “Relative to the size of the economy, this year’s deficit is expected to be the second-largest shortfall in the past 65 years: At 9.1 percent of gross domestic product (GDP), that deficit will be exceeded only by last year’s deficit of 9.9 percent of GDP.” Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cre8tiff Posted September 9, 2010 Share Posted September 9, 2010 http://cnsnews.com/news/article/72404 In the first 19 months of the Obama administration, the federal debt held by the public increased by $2.5260 trillion, which is more than the cumulative total of the national debt held by the public that was amassed by all U.S. presidents from George Washington through Ronald Reagan. The U.S. Treasury Department divides the federal debt into two categories. One is “debt held by the public,” which includes U.S. government securities owned by individuals, corporations, state or local governments, foreign governments and other entities outside the federal government itself. The other is “intragovernmental” debt, which includes I.O.U.s the federal government gives to itself when, for example, the Treasury borrows money out of the Social Security “trust fund” to pay for expenses other than Social Security. At the end of fiscal year 1989, which ended eight months after President Reagan left office, the total federal debt held by the public was $2.1907 trillion, according to the Congressional Budget Office. That means all U.S. presidents from George Washington through Ronald Reagan had accumulated only that much publicly held debt on behalf of American taxpayers. That is $335.3 billion less than the $2.5260 trillion that was added to the federal debt held by the public just between Jan. 20, 2009, when President Obama was inaugurated, and Aug. 20, 2010, the 19-month anniversary of Obama's inauguration. By contrast, President Reagan was sworn into office on Jan. 20, 1981 and left office eight years later on Jan. 20, 1989. At the end of fiscal 1980, four months before Reagan was inaugurated, the federal debt held by the public was $711.9 billion, according to CBO. At the end of fiscal 1989, eight months after Reagan left office, the federal debt held by the public was $2.1907 trillion. That means that in the nine-fiscal-year period of 1980-89--which included all of Reagan’s eight years in office--the federal debt held by the public increased $1.4788 trillion. That is in excess of a trillion dollars less than the $2.5260 increase in the debt held by the public during Obama’s first 19 months. When President Barack Obama took the oath of office on Jan. 20, 2009, the total federal debt held by the public stood at 6.3073 trillion, according to the Bureau of the Public Debt, a division of the U.S. Treasury Department. As of Aug. 20, 2010, after the first nineteen months of President Obama’s 48-month term, the total federal debt held by the public had grown to a total of $8.8333 trillion, an increase of $2.5260 trillion. In just the last four months (May through August), according to the CBO, the Obama administration has run cumulative deficits of $464 billion, more than the $458 billion deficit the Bush administration ran through the entirety of fiscal 2008. The CBO predicted this week that the annual budget deficit for fiscal 2010, which ends on the last day of this month, will exceed $1.3 trillion. The first two fiscal years in which Obama has served will see the two biggest federal deficits as a percentage of Gross Domestic Product since the end of World War II. “CBO currently estimates that the deficit for 2010 will be about $70 billion below last year’s total but will still exceed $1.3 trillion,” said the CBO’s monthly budget review for September, which was released yesterday. “Relative to the size of the economy, this year’s deficit is expected to be the second-largest shortfall in the past 65 years: At 9.1 percent of gross domestic product (GDP), that deficit will be exceeded only by last year’s deficit of 9.9 percent of GDP.” Do we really need to hash this over again? Obama inherited a huge amount from W. Jeez Louise, what does this make, a score of posts claiming that Obama is recklessly running up the deficit? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
driveby Posted September 9, 2010 Share Posted September 9, 2010 Do we really need to hash this over again? Obama inherited a huge amount from W. Jeez Louise, what does this make, a score of posts claiming that Obama is recklessly running up the deficit? Did you read the article or is your blame bush response just automatic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WaterMan Posted September 9, 2010 Share Posted September 9, 2010 Cigarettes were 5 times cheaper under Reagan, OMG! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SayItAintSoJoe Posted September 9, 2010 Share Posted September 9, 2010 I guess you can look at this article as Obama adds 2.5 trillion to an already huge debt of 6.3 trillion or Regan triples national debt while in office. There's something here for everyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cre8tiff Posted September 9, 2010 Share Posted September 9, 2010 (edited) Did you read the article or is your blame bush response just automatic. I did read it, sure, but it is all actually right here: When President Barack Obama took the oath of office on Jan. 20, 2009, the total federal debt held by the public stood at 6.3073 trillion Bush started his 8 years with a surplus a SURPLUS. That means that good old George W added 6.3073 trillion to the debt in 8 years. Kinda flies in the face of the title of the thread. Edited September 9, 2010 by cre8tiff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Irish Doggy Posted September 9, 2010 Share Posted September 9, 2010 There's something here for everyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geeteebee Posted September 9, 2010 Share Posted September 9, 2010 I did read it, sure, but it is all actually right here: Bush started his 8 years with a surplus a SURPLUS. That means that good old George W added 6.3073 trillion to the debt in 8 years. Kinda flies in the face of the title of the thread. Wow. Do you not understand the difference between the terms deficit and debt? He had a budget surplus but the national debt was not zero when he took office. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flemingd Posted September 9, 2010 Share Posted September 9, 2010 Bush started his 8 years with a surplus a SURPLUS. That means that good old George W added 6.3073 trillion to the debt in 8 years. Kinda flies in the face of the title of the thread. No he didn't that's just ridiculous. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bpwallace49 Posted September 9, 2010 Share Posted September 9, 2010 (edited) I did read it, sure, but it is all actually right here: Bush started his 8 years with a surplus a SURPLUS. That means that good old George W added 6.3073 trillion to the debt in 8 years. Kinda flies in the face of the title of the thread. Yeah . . . the debt versus the budget surplus are very different things. the gubment debt was there before GWB . . but you are correct in saying that they had a ANNUAL budget surplus that he pissed away . . but the two are very, very different. EDITED for geeteebee . . . . Edited September 9, 2010 by bpwallace49 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wiegie Posted September 9, 2010 Share Posted September 9, 2010 DEBT and suplus are two different things. (Deficit and surplus are basically just the same thing.) One thing that really matters for this issue though is when the fiscal year started/ended. (Note, fiscal year 2009 began on Oct 1, 2008--so in order to make accurate comparisons, you would need to make sure that you have accounted for this. (And really, if you want to lay blame for deficits/surpluses, you should really try to only look at policies that were enacted or changed under each president--although this is somewhat difficult.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cre8tiff Posted September 9, 2010 Share Posted September 9, 2010 OK, I would like to be accurate then. What was the deficit at when Bush started his term as president? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
detlef Posted September 9, 2010 Share Posted September 9, 2010 OK, I would like to be accurate then. What was the deficit at when Bush started his term as president? About 3.5 it seems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wiegie Posted September 9, 2010 Share Posted September 9, 2010 About 3.5 it seems. no no no--that is debt not deficit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cre8tiff Posted September 9, 2010 Share Posted September 9, 2010 no no no--that is debt not deficit This is why I am neither an economist, nor an accountant. Debt is what I wanted, now we need the debt that Obama inherited (I guess we will just wash the interest in whatever debt) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmarc117 Posted September 9, 2010 Share Posted September 9, 2010 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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dmarc117 Posted September 9, 2010 Share Posted September 9, 2010 lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geeteebee Posted September 9, 2010 Share Posted September 9, 2010 Yeah . . . the deficit versus the budget surplus are very different things. the deficet was there before GWB . . but you are correct in saying that they had a ANNUAL budget surplus that he pissed away . . butthetwo are very, very different. No they are not. You don't seem to grasp the concept very well either. You either have a budget deficit or a budget surplus. One is a plus and one is a minus. They contribute to (a deficit) or subtract from (a surplus) our national debt. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bpwallace49 Posted September 9, 2010 Share Posted September 9, 2010 No they are not. You don't seem to grasp the concept very well either. You either have a budget deficit or a budget surplus. One is a plus and one is a minus. They contribute to (a deficit) or subtract from (a surplus) our national debt. Nope . . just misstated DEBT versus DEFICIT. Intent was the same, just misstated the terms. Are you happy now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
driveby Posted September 9, 2010 Share Posted September 9, 2010 This is why I am neither an economist, nor an accountant. Debt is what I wanted, now we need the debt that Obama inherited (I guess we will just wash the interest in whatever debt) nice one doofus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cre8tiff Posted September 9, 2010 Share Posted September 9, 2010 (edited) nice one doofus. Point to one single post you where you ever admitted you were wrong about anything there, brainiac. I made a mistake, and I owned it. Edited September 9, 2010 by cre8tiff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
driveby Posted September 9, 2010 Share Posted September 9, 2010 Point to one single post you where you ever admitted you were wrong about anything there, brainiac. I made a mistake, and I owned it. Point to one where I was wrong and didn't admit it. Just bustin' your balls dude for coming out with guns blazing and being totally clueless. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moneymakers Posted September 9, 2010 Share Posted September 9, 2010 Me posted 2 weeks ago and it vanished. poof. gone lets not forget to add that obama has spent more than the entire Iraq war cost. oops did I say too much. lets not spread truth. is it too early to celebrate. pelosi has less than two months. than poof - she will be gone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gbpfan1231 Posted September 9, 2010 Share Posted September 9, 2010 Me posted 2 weeks ago and it vanished. poof. gone lets not forget to add that obama has spent more than the entire Iraq war cost. oops did I say too much. lets not spread truth. is it too early to celebrate. pelosi has less than two months. than poof - she will be gone. Could we burn Pelosi as opposed to burning the Quran?? Not sure anyone would be against that?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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