bushwacked Posted November 1, 2010 Share Posted November 1, 2010 Trading on control of Senate has swung big time..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redrumjuice Posted November 1, 2010 Share Posted November 1, 2010 If the senate moves over, that means we won Washington or CA, or imagine Delaware. Repudiation of the highest order community organizer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caddyman Posted November 1, 2010 Share Posted November 1, 2010 If the senate moves over, that means we won Washington or CA, or imagine Delaware. Repudiation of the highest order community organizer. Connecticut getting close too! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bushwacked Posted November 1, 2010 Author Share Posted November 1, 2010 If the senate moves over, that means we won Washington or CA, or imagine Delaware. Repudiation of the highest order community organizer. Must be based on Patty Murray trading price dropping because the trading on CA, Deleware, and Connecticut is heavily in favor of Dems. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HowboutthemCowboys Posted November 1, 2010 Share Posted November 1, 2010 Can anybody explain to me in 2 paragraphs or less how any of this matters to me? No matter who gets elected... nothings going to change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wiegie Posted November 1, 2010 Share Posted November 1, 2010 well, there is this too: http://data.intrade.com/graphing/jsp/timeA...www.intrade.com Right now the price of the GOP having 50+ seats in the senate is less than 35 cents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Square Posted November 1, 2010 Share Posted November 1, 2010 Can anybody explain to me in 2 paragraphs or less how any of this matters to me? No matter who gets elected... nothings going to change. They'll both spend far more money than they bring in. It will just be on completely different things. So you get to choose which type of crap-sammich tastes better for you personally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ursa Majoris Posted November 1, 2010 Share Posted November 1, 2010 Can anybody explain to me in 2 paragraphs or less how any of this matters to me? No matter who gets elected... nothings going to change. It really isn't. They aren't going to repeal Obamacare, they aren't going to make any meaningful cuts in spending and they aren't going to address either the gigantic entitlements or the ludicrous defense budget. What they are going to do, along with whatever Democrats are left, is start campaigning for the 2012 election. That's what we have now - permanent elections and as long as they can keep our eyes fixed on that, none of us will look behind the curtain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Holy Roller Posted November 1, 2010 Share Posted November 1, 2010 It really isn't. They aren't going to repeal Obamacare, they aren't going to make any meaningful cuts in spending and they aren't going to address either the gigantic entitlements or the ludicrous defense budget. What they are going to do, along with whatever Democrats are left, is start campaigning for the 2012 election. That's what we have now - permanent elections and as long as they can keep our eyes fixed on that, none of us will look behind the curtain. THIS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy Neutron Posted November 1, 2010 Share Posted November 1, 2010 It really isn't. They aren't going to repeal Obamacare, they aren't going to make any meaningful cuts in spending and they aren't going to address either the gigantic entitlements or the ludicrous defense budget. What they are going to do, along with whatever Democrats are left, is start campaigning for the 2012 election. That's what we have now - permanent elections and as long as they can keep our eyes fixed on that, none of us will look behind the curtain. Sad, but all too true. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redrumjuice Posted November 1, 2010 Share Posted November 1, 2010 They aren't going to repeal Obamacare, One of the questions on our ballot is a mandate that we can opt out of husseincare. I don't think you are all too much in touch with reality on this one. Your bubble is nothing but communism, in the REAL world, we are getting rid of this horror that was pushed on us. You will see, and be wrong. There are at LEAST 31 companies who already have exemptions from it, it will not last. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caddyman Posted November 1, 2010 Share Posted November 1, 2010 One of the questions on our ballot is a mandate that we can opt out of husseincare. I don't think you are all too much in touch with reality on this one. Your bubble is nothing but communism, in the REAL world, we are getting rid of this horror that was pushed on us. You will see, and be wrong. There are at LEAST 31 companies who already have exemptions from it, it will not last. If they had all three branches of gubment they would repeal that crap asap. So to say they WON'T do anything is bunk. It is they CAN'T do anything. As far as spending, I would sure as hell be happy if they trimmed a freaking trillion off of the obamunist's defecit. That way we could get down to the levels of Bush that all the libs wewre screaming sbout for eight years. But of course as soon as they went to cut spending, the left would scream about taking food from children. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy Neutron Posted November 2, 2010 Share Posted November 2, 2010 I think the Tea Party candidates sent to the House will vote to repeal health care - all along knowing it is merely posturing to appease the base. They know they don't have the votes in the senate, let alone a super-majority to over-ride a veto. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perchoutofwater Posted November 2, 2010 Share Posted November 2, 2010 I think the Tea Party candidates sent to the House will vote to repeal health care - all along knowing it is merely posturing to appease the base. They know they don't have the votes in the senate, let alone a super-majority to over-ride a veto. I think you are absolutely right. It will be political posturing, but given what most people think of the health care bill right now, I think it will probably pay off in 2012. I think the vast majority of republicans and a slight majority of the American people want the bill repealed. You will probably see a vote strictly along party lines, that will lend itself to political adds in 2012. The only thing that will be really gained is the ability to stop any more dreadful legislation from passing. Honestly at this point grid lock is the best thing we can hope for, with a few truly bipartisan bills mixed in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ursa Majoris Posted November 2, 2010 Share Posted November 2, 2010 I think the Tea Party candidates sent to the House will vote to repeal health care - all along knowing it is merely posturing to appease the base. They know they don't have the votes in the senate, let alone a super-majority to over-ride a veto. Repeal health care? Won't they at least have enough wit to dissect it and keep some parts of it? Or are they bigger cretins than even I thought, consumed by their mindlessness? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perchoutofwater Posted November 2, 2010 Share Posted November 2, 2010 Repeal health care? Won't they at least have enough wit to dissect it and keep some parts of it? Or are they bigger cretins than even I thought, consumed by their mindlessness? Just out of curiosity what sections do you think should be kept. Honestly I'd like to see it repealed and then start over with a truly bipartisan bill, that actually addresses cost rather than driving it up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gbpfan1231 Posted November 2, 2010 Share Posted November 2, 2010 Repeal health care? Won't they at least have enough wit to dissect it and keep some parts of it? Or are they bigger cretins than even I thought, consumed by their mindlessness? Exactly - the portion about pre-existing conditions should never be repealed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ursa Majoris Posted November 2, 2010 Share Posted November 2, 2010 Exactly - the portion about pre-existing conditions should never be repealed. That and eliminating the freeloaders by forcing them to have it (might need modifying). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy Neutron Posted November 2, 2010 Share Posted November 2, 2010 Repeal health care? Won't they at least have enough wit to dissect it and keep some parts of it? Or are they bigger cretins than even I thought, consumed by their mindlessness? If they are thoughtful, they'll craft some ideas to replace what was passed, but I don't think a lot of them will care. Some of them ran on voting got an repeal - that's an easy one to fulfill when they know it won't go anywhere. FWIW, I would repeal the whole thing if it were in my power. It's fatally flawed and needs a stake in the heart. Did the dems even wait a full month after it passed to nix $500 billion of the savings they were supposed to milk from medicare? They cancelled the 2% MC cut to docs pretty quickly. Freakin' tools. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bpwallace49 Posted November 2, 2010 Share Posted November 2, 2010 I really cant wait to see/hear all the great ideas that the republicans will have and quickly pass regarding health care . . . because reform in that area has long been such a goal for the GOP. Not advocating the current bill at all, but I really wish the right would have SOME semblance of an idea of what to do to rein in costs as an alternative (and the red herring of tort reform is NOT going to cut it . . .). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perchoutofwater Posted November 2, 2010 Share Posted November 2, 2010 I really cant wait to see/hear all the great ideas that the republicans will have and quickly pass regarding health care . . . because reform in that area has long been such a goal for the GOP. Not advocating the current bill at all, but I really wish the right would have SOME semblance of an idea of what to do to rein in costs as an alternative (and the red herring of tort reform is NOT going to cut it . . .). The quickest and easiest thing they could do to reign in cost would simply be repealing Obamacare. I think anything done should incorporate tort reform, but that is just a small part of it. I think the most important provision would be to break the link with employment. I think you also have to address illegal immigration as well. I'll not regurgitate the whole list, but there are multiple threads with a multitude of good ideas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wiegie Posted November 2, 2010 Share Posted November 2, 2010 I think the most important provision would be to break the link with employment. How are you going to do that? The reason that health-care and employment go together is to create a pooling equilibrium to avoid problems caused by adverse selection. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ursa Majoris Posted November 2, 2010 Share Posted November 2, 2010 How are you going to do that? The reason that health-care and employment go together is to create a pooling equilibrium to avoid problems caused by adverse selection. National health care baby! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evil_gop_liars Posted November 2, 2010 Share Posted November 2, 2010 National health care baby! Bingo! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perchoutofwater Posted November 2, 2010 Share Posted November 2, 2010 How are you going to do that? The reason that health-care and employment go together is to create a pooling equilibrium to avoid problems caused by adverse selection. Really, and here I thought it was because of government interference in the free market. Didn't employers start offering insurance when the federal government started introducing wage caps. In order to get the best and offer a little bit more than the federal government would allow in wages, they started offering insurance as an extra perk to try to entice talented employees to come to work for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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