wiegie Posted October 27, 2011 Share Posted October 27, 2011 In 1980 the F&C part of the "welfare" budget was $14 billion. In 2010 it was $95.1billion, a 600%+ increase... And the government is doing less to redistribute wealth? are those figures adjusted for inflation and the growth of the economy? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh 0ne Posted October 27, 2011 Share Posted October 27, 2011 (edited) Why are the police making these protests violent? Â Maybe because a bunch of hippie freaks are throwing sh*t at them and not obeying orders to disperse? Â During the evening protest, a number of officers were assaulted, doused with hazardous materials and hit with large rocks and bottles, which resulted in the declaration of an unlawful assembly and the order to disperse. To assist in the dispersal efforts, officers used less lethal force tactics. Â At approximately 10:00pm this evening, a group of approximately 300 protesters in the area of Frank Ogawa Plaza began throwing large rocks and bottles at officers after receiving the order to disperse, which again prompted the use of less than lethal munitions Edited October 27, 2011 by Hugh 0ne Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SayItAintSoJoe Posted October 27, 2011 Share Posted October 27, 2011 Surprised this hasn't been posted:   Though I found something interesting...  In 1980 the F&C part of the "welfare" budget was $14 billion. In 2010 it was $95.1billion, a 600%+ increase... And the government is doing less to redistribute wealth?  Welfare = giving someone a fish Opportunity = teaching someone to fish  IMO, handing out more welfare only increases the divide between the haves and the have nots. Is there more welfare today than in 1980, judging from your numbers I would say "yes". Is there more opportunity to succeed today than in 1980? To me, that is the real question. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ursa Majoris Posted October 27, 2011 Share Posted October 27, 2011 Welfare = giving someone a fishOpportunity = teaching someone to fish  IMO, handing out more welfare only increases the divide between the haves and the have nots. Is there more welfare today than in 1980, judging from your numbers I would say "yes". Is there more opportunity to succeed today than in 1980? To me, that is the real question. Indeed. As well as that, there's the point I made in post #520 - if welfare has increased that much, it points to wages being suppressed beyond inflation and thus goes to the heart of the entire OWS point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SEC=UGA Posted October 27, 2011 Share Posted October 27, 2011 Police put an Iraq Veteran in the hospital during the Oakland protests two nights ago. Why are the police making these protests violent? http://www.ivaw.org/blog/press-release-mar...y-oakland-march  See this kinda crap happens when there is no one there to yell "INCOMING!!!!!"  But, seriously, other report I have read say that it is not conclusive as to what the ex-marine was hit with as the protesters were also throwing bottles and heavy rocks... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tosberg34 Posted October 27, 2011 Share Posted October 27, 2011 Police put an Iraq Veteran in the hospital during the Oakland protests two nights ago. Why are the police making these protests violent? http://www.ivaw.org/blog/press-release-mar...y-oakland-march  The Flea Bagger protesters have been looking for their Kent State moment the entire time. Could this be it?  How will it look when it comes out that the dude got hit by a bottle or rock thrown from one of the protesters instead of the police? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SEC=UGA Posted October 27, 2011 Share Posted October 27, 2011 (edited) are those figures adjusted for inflation and the growth of the economy? Â Not sure. But, if you use the handy dandy inflation converter online, 14.0 billion in 1980 is = $36.56 billion of 2010 dollars. So, let us assume it was not, F&C still increased by 2.6 times it's 1980 level. Â ETA: and then I would also ask, were the numbers cited in the article adjusted for inflation. I would also ask is the study based on same households over that time period? Edited October 27, 2011 by SEC=UGA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azazello1313 Posted October 27, 2011 Share Posted October 27, 2011 I thought was kind of interesting Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh 0ne Posted October 27, 2011 Share Posted October 27, 2011 I thought was kind of interesting  Awesome. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WaterMan Posted October 27, 2011 Author Share Posted October 27, 2011 Maybe because a bunch of hippie freaks are throwing sh*t at them and not obeying orders to disperse? Â Good thing the police were in riot gear before getting hit with all those rocks that line the streets. OWS recaps don't show rocks, etc being thrown. Too bad our awesome media didn't seem to catch that on film either. Everyone caught the tear gassing though. Â http://occupywallst.org/article/ows-respon...-occupyoakland/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ursa Majoris Posted October 27, 2011 Share Posted October 27, 2011 The violence is coming and it won't be a one way street. Â It won't be long now............ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SEC=UGA Posted October 27, 2011 Share Posted October 27, 2011 The violence is coming and it won't be a one way street. It won't be long now............  Maybe if we just put the OWS people in timeout and then explained the situation to them they would go on their merry way... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tosberg34 Posted October 27, 2011 Share Posted October 27, 2011 Good thing the police were in riot gear before getting hit with all those rocks that line the streets. OWS recaps don't show rocks, etc being thrown. Too bad our awesome media didn't seem to catch that on film either. Everyone caught the tear gassing though. Â http://occupywallst.org/article/ows-respon...-occupyoakland/ Â You mess with the Bull, you get the horns. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tosberg34 Posted October 27, 2011 Share Posted October 27, 2011 The violence is coming and it won't be a one way street. It won't be long now............  Which is EXACTLY what the Flea Baggers were hoping for. I say, good for them. I couldn't think of a more deserving bunch of people to be on the business end of a billy club. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bpwallace49 Posted October 27, 2011 Share Posted October 27, 2011 Jeez . . . when this happens in other countries we support the rebelling against corrupt positions of power. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonorator Posted October 27, 2011 Share Posted October 27, 2011 I thought was kind of interesting  my goodness, it's like he's out there teaching class to a bunch of high schoolers ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ursa Majoris Posted October 27, 2011 Share Posted October 27, 2011 Maybe if we just put the OWS people in timeout and then explained the situation to them they would go on their merry way... It won't be some grubby hippie who escalates this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh 0ne Posted October 27, 2011 Share Posted October 27, 2011 my goodness, it's like he's out there teaching class to a bunch of high schoolersdegenerate hippies ... Â Fixey. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh 0ne Posted October 27, 2011 Share Posted October 27, 2011 OWS recaps don't show rocks, etc being thrown. Â The ones I saw did. But keep believing that these unemployed, lazy, uninformed dumbasses are standing up in the name of liberty and freedom. Â [OWS]Dude, they're camping in tents downtown and I hear there's some awesome Josh Gordon floating around and we can piss and sh*t on the floor and not have to clean up after ourselves or shave or shower. I have no idea why the f*ck they're protesting, but who gives a sh*t when we can piss and sh*t on the floor. You in?[/OWS] Â [OWS's Buddy]We're there dude[/OWS's Buddy] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh 0ne Posted October 27, 2011 Share Posted October 27, 2011 It won't be some grubby hippie who escalates this. Â They already have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azazello1313 Posted October 27, 2011 Share Posted October 27, 2011 It won't be some grubby hippie who escalates this. Â how exactly do you manage to be so certain of that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azazello1313 Posted October 27, 2011 Share Posted October 27, 2011 helpful reminder of an important fact Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WaterMan Posted October 28, 2011 Author Share Posted October 28, 2011 They already have. Â Officer Bologna escalated it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ditkaless Wonders Posted October 28, 2011 Share Posted October 28, 2011 Police put an Iraq Veteran in the hospital during the Oakland protests two nights ago. Why are the police making these protests violent? http://www.ivaw.org/blog/press-release-mar...y-oakland-march   Why are the protestors setting up confrontation with municipal police? Why are they not on federal land or taking action against the institutions with which they have a beef? Their draining of the resources of overtaxed municipalities who are suffering this economy along with them makes no sense. If I have a beef with my neighbor I do not take a dump on my boss's desk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ditkaless Wonders Posted October 28, 2011 Share Posted October 28, 2011 I thought was kind of interesting   I don't think it is fair to expect people who have spent a month or more trying to draw attention to themselves so that they can get out a message to have to cogently articulate the message. Haven't they done enough already? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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