Primetime9287 Posted June 1, 2006 Share Posted June 1, 2006 (edited) Hey guys. I have been running my FF league for 4 years now and in my 5th year, there is talks from the owners to make it a Keeper League. I think it is a good idea since it has been the same owners in the league for all of the years with the exception of maybe 1 or 2 people. With that being said, I know the general rules behind a keeper league, but I was looking for some advice on how to run it. It will be 10 owners. One guy in the league suggested making it a 2-3 player keeper league and keeping the player for a max 3 years. If you guys could maybe post your rules on keeper leagues you are in or just give me some advice that you think would make it run smooth, Id really appreciate it. Thanks Edit: My main question also revolves around how the drafts after the first year would work. Josh (primetime) Edited June 1, 2006 by Primetime9287 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
URLACHERisGOD Posted June 2, 2006 Share Posted June 2, 2006 Ours is still a little rough around the edges but, here is how one of mine is done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G3-175SE Posted June 3, 2006 Share Posted June 3, 2006 (edited) Since you already have a stable league I would have each owner declare which players they want and the rest go back to the pool. Here are my rules, copy what you want, that is how did it, copied from others. My Webpage Edited June 3, 2006 by G3-175SE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Dick Posted June 3, 2006 Share Posted June 3, 2006 Since you already have a stable league I would have each owner declare which players they want and the rest go back to the pool. Here are my rules, copy what you want, that is how did it, copied from others. My Webpage 1497073[/snapback] I totally disagree with this. If you are changing to a keeper league, you need a fresh draft this year with an eye on keepers next year. Really changes how you manage your team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G3-175SE Posted June 3, 2006 Share Posted June 3, 2006 (edited) I totally disagree with this. If you are changing to a keeper league, you need a fresh draft this year with an eye on keepers next year. Really changes how you manage your team. 1497132[/snapback] Why? If you have a fairly stable league then it doesn't make sense to start over again. The decision to change to a keeper league shows that they are wanting to start keeping players. Why would you start new year? Do it now. Edited June 3, 2006 by G3-175SE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Dick Posted June 3, 2006 Share Posted June 3, 2006 Why? If you have a fairly stable league then it doesn't make sense to start over again. The decision to change to a keeper league shows that they are wanting to start keeping players. Why would you start new year? Do it now. 1497141[/snapback] Because someone may have drafted differently last year had they known they were keeping players. And if you lose a draft pick based on the round a player kept was drafted, all of a sudden you have guys overvalued and undervalued. The fun of a keeper league is being able to keep value year after year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kpholmes Posted June 3, 2006 Share Posted June 3, 2006 Because someone may have drafted differently last year had they known they were keeping players. And if you lose a draft pick based on the round a player kept was drafted, all of a sudden you have guys overvalued and undervalued. The fun of a keeper league is being able to keep value year after year. 1497214[/snapback] Look at Tiki Barber for instance. In a redraft I would have no problem spending my first pick on him. I won't touch him in a keeper, because I don't think he'll be worth that next year, if he plays at all. Totally different game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G3-175SE Posted June 3, 2006 Share Posted June 3, 2006 Look at Tiki Barber for instance. In a redraft I would have no problem spending my first pick on him. I won't touch him in a keeper, because I don't think he'll be worth that next year, if he plays at all. Totally different game. 1497335[/snapback] But you are assuming that the keepers effect the next draft. Leagues are different and I based my comments on how I run my keeper leagues. We don't care where you drafted them, you just get to keep them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randall Posted June 3, 2006 Share Posted June 3, 2006 But you are assuming that the keepers effect the next draft. Leagues are different and I based my comments on how I run my keeper leagues. We don't care where you drafted them, you just get to keep them. 1497380[/snapback] I wish I could do that in a league I'm in as I would like to keep Brady. LJ, Caddy and Boldin but it wouldn't be fair to the other teams. I'd be happy to give up an 8th rounder for LJ, a 6th for Caddy and Boldin(trade) and a 3rd for Caddy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G3-175SE Posted June 3, 2006 Share Posted June 3, 2006 I wish I could do that in a league I'm in as I would like to keep Brady. LJ, Caddy and Boldin but it wouldn't be fair to the other teams. I'd be happy to give up an 8th rounder for LJ, a 6th for Caddy and Boldin(trade) and a 3rd for Caddy. 1497391[/snapback] That is what I don't understand. How is it not fair? In my leagues it has never given any team an advantage. We have never had a repeat winner. While it does add complexity to the draft I just don't see it makes it more fair. Personally I like to keep it simple and it has worked for all my leagues. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cliaz Posted June 3, 2006 Share Posted June 3, 2006 I totally disagree with this. If you are changing to a keeper league, you need a fresh draft this year with an eye on keepers next year. Really changes how you manage your team. 1497132[/snapback] :agree: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randall Posted June 3, 2006 Share Posted June 3, 2006 (edited) That is what I don't understand. How is it not fair? In my leagues it has never given any team an advantage. We have never had a repeat winner. While it does add complexity to the draft I just don't see it makes it more fair. Personally I like to keep it simple and it has worked for all my leagues. 1497402[/snapback] Well have a league vote and decide it that way. I say it isn't fair because teams draft players differently for keeper VS redraft leagues. Tiki was mentioned, but in a keeper league younger players would be picked well before him. In many keeper leagues teams pick players for several years ahead not caring about this year. Like I said have a league vote and present all sides. Top 12 players in Keeper 1 LaDainian Tomlinson, SD 2 Larry Johnson, KC 3 Shaun Alexander, SEA 4 Clinton Portis, WAS 3 5 Cadillac Williams, TB 6 Ronnie Brown, MIA 5 7 Reggie Bush, NO 7 8 Steven Jackson, STL 9 Willis McGahee, BUF 10 LaMont Jordan, OAK 11 Rudi Johnson, CIN 12 Edgerrin James, ARI VS Redraft league(from same site) 1 LaDainian Tomlinson, SD 2 Larry Johnson, KC 3 Shaun Alexander, SEA 3 4 Clinton Portis, WAS 4 5 Tiki Barber, NYG 6 LaMont Jordan, OAK 9 7 Edgerrin James, ARI 8 Steven Jackson, STL 9 Ronnie Brown, MIA 10 10 Cadillac Williams, TB 11 Rudi Johnson, CIN 8 12 Domanick Davis, HOU Edited June 3, 2006 by Randall Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nate Dawg Posted June 3, 2006 Share Posted June 3, 2006 My league moved from redraft to keeper about 4 years ago. We allow teams to add 1 keeper each year, allowing you to keep that player for 3 years. So, you have 3 keepers at a time, and each year one rolls off and you keep another one. There are no draft picks spent to keep your player. It's kind of like we start the draft in Round 4 because everyone has 3 players kept. We felt like it was VERY important to hold an initial draft the year we decided to change because it did change when and where certain players were drafted. I believe it's only fair. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G3-175SE Posted June 3, 2006 Share Posted June 3, 2006 To each his own! If we did everything the same it would be a dull world. Do what works for you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rrobb Posted June 4, 2006 Share Posted June 4, 2006 If not auction, I'd rather do a redraft. The Draft is the best of all days! Talk crap, draft players, and then talk more crap. Taking the 20-30 BEST players out of the pool cheapens the draft for me. I know that it doesn't reward you for drafting well the year before, but I say, "prove it every year!" RR Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ebartender Posted June 4, 2006 Share Posted June 4, 2006 But you are assuming that the keepers effect the next draft. How would keepers not change next years draft? A re-draft draft is a lot different from a keeper draft. Like it has been said, in a keeper you would draft younger guys higher based on future production. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chaz13 Posted June 4, 2006 Share Posted June 4, 2006 This is my 13th year running a keeper league. I would first recommend drafting over this year because you WILL draft different in a keeper league. Younger players are more valuable. Our league is a IDP league that has 20 starters(2 QB 3RB 4WR 1TE 1K 3DL 3LB 3DB) We have a total of 32 players on the roster and 2 spaces for IR. Originally we kept 10 players which was too many. Then we went to 5, then 3 then back to 5. There will always be players that are disgruntled if they have a bad team and they will want to keep less players. So finally we found a way to please everyone that has worked really well. You can keep 3-5 players each year. Teams that keep 3 will start drafting to get to 5. If you keep 5 you don't draft in the first two rounds. If you keep 4 you don't draft in the 2nd round. After 2 rounds all teams have 5 players. Then we start our draft from there. I don't believe in a limit of years you can keep a player. Some leagues do this. In ours you can keep a player for 12 years if you want. If you drafted P. Manning and had the foresight to do so he is yours as long as you want. Some teams draft several rookies and may get burned or may draft potential keepers. I personally drafted Portis as a rookie as my 2nd RB, but at the time he was not a starter. It turned out to be a great pick and I've had him ever since. I picked up Palmer last year and it looks like I have a keeper for a long time. Also you can't keep more guys at a position than you start( I don't know why you would want to.) We have a rule you must fill all starting positions before you draft your taxi players. Here is our league website from 2005. If you have any questions feel free to ask. http://football5.myfantasyleague.com/2005/home/43584 Chaz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgcoach Posted June 5, 2006 Share Posted June 5, 2006 If not auction, I'd rather do a redraft. The Draft is the best of all days! Talk crap, draft players, and then talk more crap. Taking the 20-30 BEST players out of the pool cheapens the draft for me. I know that it doesn't reward you for drafting well the year before, but I say, "prove it every year!" RR 1497657[/snapback] Keeper and/or Dynasty requires more thought, preperation and strategy. Some people like it that way. How it cheapens the draft, I have no idea what you're talking about. Anyone can draft and pick the best players in the league but, the middle and late rds. is where you'll win a championship and thought/homework is required. That's what I like. Maybe I don't do it well but, it's more fun for me. As far as proving it every year, that's what keeper and dynasty are all about. Trading up/down in the draft, trading multiple players and/or picks in drafts to get a player you need or want. That's where it's at. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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