FatalFact Posted September 26, 2013 Share Posted September 26, 2013 Is anybody besides me a little confused at AJ greens ranking this week? The reasoning for it didn't seem to make a lot of sense either... Is it a typo? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMD Posted September 26, 2013 Share Posted September 26, 2013 No typo. The problem with Green is how CLE treats him. He should always be started because he has as much potential as any WR any week. If the Browns want to shut him down at the expense of every thing else, they can. Haden was banged up in the @CLE last year. In 2011, Green was held to just one catch in CLE. After blowing up in week one, Green has only had games of 6-41 and 4-46-1. So there is risk but his upside should always trump that unless you have to make choices from the top 3 WRs in the league. Doubtful you or anyone else has a receiver worth starting over Green. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevegrab Posted September 26, 2013 Share Posted September 26, 2013 No typo. The problem with Green is how CLE treats him. He should always be started because he has as much potential as any WR any week. If the Browns want to shut him down at the expense of every thing else, they can. Haden was banged up in the @CLE last year. In 2011, Green was held to just one catch in CLE. After blowing up in week one, Green has only had games of 6-41 and 4-46-1. So there is risk but his upside should always trump that unless you have to make choices from the top 3 WRs in the league. Doubtful you or anyone else has a receiver worth starting over Green. Good point, CLE does like to shut him down and Haden can do it. I think last year their little quick WR (Hawkins) had a big game while AJ was blanketed. How's this for 3 WR (keeper league) Calvin Johnson, Demaryius Thomas, Larry Fitzgerald and I signed Edelman off waivers after week 1. Of course in week 9 those 3 all have a bye, and I'll be struggling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMD Posted September 26, 2013 Share Posted September 26, 2013 In my dynasty league I own Calvin Johnson, Dez Bryant and Demaryius Thomas so starting decisions are not too bad there Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Endzone Is Near Posted September 26, 2013 Share Posted September 26, 2013 Haden shuts down burners, not physical receivers. Green will be fine - start him with confidence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
byroz Posted September 27, 2013 Share Posted September 27, 2013 What are you gunna do..sit him?Lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevegrab Posted September 27, 2013 Share Posted September 27, 2013 Haden shuts down burners, not physical receivers. Green will be fine - start him with confidence. DMD told us in an earlier post "In 2011, Green was held to just one catch in CLE." So are you calling him a liar or saying that was an anomoly? I'm not saying he should be benched, neither did DMD. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keggerz Posted September 27, 2013 Share Posted September 27, 2013 Good point, CLE does like to shut him down and Haden can do it. I think last year their little quick WR (Hawkins) had a big game while AJ was blanketed. How's this for 3 WR (keeper league) Calvin Johnson, Demaryius Thomas, Larry Fitzgerald and I signed Edelman off waivers after week 1. Of course in week 9 those 3 all have a bye, and I'll be struggling. In my dynasty league I own Calvin Johnson, Dez Bryant and Demaryius Thomas so starting decisions are not too bad there count me another dynasty owner with Calvin & Demaryius...but my 3&4 WRs are Nicks/ StevieJ...then again it's a 16 team league too. As for AJ with regard to not sitting him I suggest the same thing with some IDPs...there are some situations that don't look good but you can't sit the player. You just have to temper expectations and realize the upside that player presents outweighs the risk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riffraff Posted September 27, 2013 Share Posted September 27, 2013 Can't project 100 yards and a TD every week (1600 yards/16 TDs) while pre-season projections call for 1200 and 9 (or whatever). Some weeks have to be less than stellar. Call them clunkers when you can. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Endzone Is Near Posted September 27, 2013 Share Posted September 27, 2013 (edited) DMD told us in an earlier post "In 2011, Green was held to just one catch in CLE." So are you calling him a liar or saying that was an anomoly? I'm not saying he should be benched, neither did DMD. Actually, I'm going off what I know to be true about Haden. He's very quick and doesn't get burned by pure speed guys very often. However, he's nowhere near as affective against guys like Calvin Johnson, or even AJ Green who are just all-around GOOD. He will not win a heavyweight match. How about doing your research instead of going off of one stat-line from one game (for the second time this week). Check out the OTHER game that same year that AJ ate Haden's lunch. Here, I'll even help you out: http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2011/11/bengals_rookie_wr_aj_green_bur.html Are YOU calling ME a liar? Try knowing the facts first before calling people out. I never said anybody was advising to sit him. I said "start him with confidence", meaning don't worry about his production just because of Haden. Why do you have to treat everything like an argument? Edited September 27, 2013 by Endzone Is Near Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevegrab Posted September 27, 2013 Share Posted September 27, 2013 (edited) Actually, I'm going off what I know to be true about Haden. He's very quick and doesn't get burned by pure speed guys very often. However, he's nowhere near as affective against guys like Calvin Johnson, or even AJ Green who are just all-around GOOD. He will not win a heavyweight match. How about doing your research instead of going off of one stat-line from one game (for the second time this week). Check out the OTHER game that same year that AJ ate Haden's lunch. Here, I'll even help you out: http://www.cleveland..._green_bur.html Are YOU calling ME a liar? Try knowing the facts first before calling people out... Ok, I'll play (stats from Pro Football Reference) 2011 @ CLE 1-41-1 if not for the TD a stinker fantasy game 2011 vs CLE 3-110-0 big yardage, few rec 2012 vs CLE 7-58-1 decent game, but low yardage for # of rec 2012 @ CLE 7-135-2 big game (Haden banged up according to DMD) 4 game average 4.5-86-1, I don't have the time right now, but looking at targets and how many times they threw his way vs. how many he caught would also provide more info. Wow so based on that article (and your own opinion) those two games in 2011 Green destroyed Haden, really? Yeah, you know more than DMD, Haden has no ability to keep Green in check. PS Mary Kay Cabot of the PD is a hack, she seems to hate every Cleveland team and writes almost nothing but negative articles. Maybe you missed this part of the article, but you're right Haden was owned by Green "In the first meeting, Green was targeted four times, but Haden broke up five passes that day and shut Green down until the quick snap at the end." Edited September 27, 2013 by stevegrab Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevegrab Posted September 27, 2013 Share Posted September 27, 2013 Oh and the reason I treat this like an argument is because you are calling out the guy who runs this website, who knows his chives when he says that If the Browns want to shut him down at the expense of every thing else, they can. You then tell us that Haden cannot shut down Green, and offer your opinion and no facts. You're a relative newbie here, and are acting like a know it all, but without any facts to back up your statements. My fault for clicking on a few of your posts after putting you on ignore, hoping to see some useful information. I won't make that mistake again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Endzone Is Near Posted September 27, 2013 Share Posted September 27, 2013 Ok, I'll play (stats from Pro Football Reference) 2011 @ CLE 1-41-1 if not for the TD a stinker fantasy game 2011 vs CLE 3-110-0 big yardage, few rec 2012 vs CLE 7-58-1 decent game, but low yardage for # of rec 2012 @ CLE 7-135-2 big game (Haden banged up according to DMD) 4 game average 4.5-86-1, I don't have the time right now, but looking at targets and how many times they threw his way vs. how many he caught would also provide more info. Wow so based on that article (and your own opinion) those two games in 2011 Green destroyed Haden, really? Yeah, you know more than DMD, Haden has no ability to keep Green in check. PS Mary Kay Cabot of the PD is a hack, she seems to hate every Cleveland team and writes almost nothing but negative articles. Maybe you missed this part of the article, but you're right Haden was owned by Green "In the first meeting, Green was targeted four times, but Haden broke up five passes that day and shut Green down until the quick snap at the end." Again, my first response was based solely on what I know about Haden - he is not physical. And you won't prove me wrong on that. My comment was not said in an argumentative way, and it wasn't an argument at all until you opened your mouth (similar to the McGahee thread). Keep pulling up stats all day, that's fine. I may be wrong on stats, but that article was just an attempt to make you back off. I'm glad you are a stat guru, though. Congrats...hope you feel better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gandalas Posted September 27, 2013 Share Posted September 27, 2013 Ok, I'll play (stats from Pro Football Reference) 2011 @ CLE 1-41-1 if not for the TD a stinker fantasy game 2011 vs CLE 3-110-0 big yardage, few rec 2012 vs CLE 7-58-1 decent game, but low yardage for # of rec 2012 @ CLE 7-135-2 big game (Haden banged up according to DMD) 4 game average 4.5-86-1, I don't have the time right now, but looking at targets and how many times they threw his way vs. how many he caught would also provide more info. Wow so based on that article (and your own opinion) those two games in 2011 Green destroyed Haden, really? Yeah, you know more than DMD, Haden has no ability to keep Green in check. PS Mary Kay Cabot of the PD is a hack, she seems to hate every Cleveland team and writes almost nothing but negative articles. Maybe you missed this part of the article, but you're right Haden was owned by Green "In the first meeting, Green was targeted four times, but Haden broke up five passes that day and shut Green down until the quick snap at the end." As a watcher of that first game in 2011, Haden DID shut Green down. The only pass that he caught was on a hurry-up where the Browns defenders were still shuffling around, and Green was NOT matched up with Haden (or anyone) at the snap of the ball. Heads up play by Dalton, but not something that you should count on repeating. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Footballjoe Posted September 27, 2013 Share Posted September 27, 2013 Couple years ago I drafted Megatron as the 1.1 overall pick in a dynasty. Then came back and got Dez and Percy Harvin. Took Reggie Bush late as a gamble that paid off since he had one of his best years. Then traded and got Cruz for the following years round 2 pick before he took off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darin3 Posted September 27, 2013 Share Posted September 27, 2013 Haden is a true shutdown corner and doesn't just "shut down the blazers". I've seen him lock down pretty much any kind of wideout. Will he have his way against Green? Maybe, maybe not. But I'll tell you this much, if I'm a Green owner I'd rather see Joe Schmo covering him than Haden. Does it mean I'd BENCH the guy? No way, of course not. But as keg said, temper your expectations. Be happy if you get 6 for 75 with a score.... but don't whine if he goes 3 for 45 with no scores. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevegrab Posted September 27, 2013 Share Posted September 27, 2013 Haden is a true shutdown corner and doesn't just "shut down the blazers". I've seen him lock down pretty much any kind of wideout. Will he have his way against Green? Maybe, maybe not. But I'll tell you this much, if I'm a Green owner I'd rather see Joe Schmo covering him than Haden. Does it mean I'd BENCH the guy? No way, of course not. But as keg said, temper your expectations. Be happy if you get 6 for 75 with a score.... but don't whine if he goes 3 for 45 with no scores. Meh, what do you know Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Endzone Is Near Posted September 27, 2013 Share Posted September 27, 2013 Haden is a true shutdown corner and doesn't just "shut down the blazers". I've seen him lock down pretty much any kind of wideout. Will he have his way against Green? Maybe, maybe not. But I'll tell you this much, if I'm a Green owner I'd rather see Joe Schmo covering him than Haden. Does it mean I'd BENCH the guy? No way, of course not. But as keg said, temper your expectations. Be happy if you get 6 for 75 with a score.... but don't whine if he goes 3 for 45 with no scores. Correct - obviously anyone would rather NOT face a superior corner. Who argued that? I know it wasn't me... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LvilleSlugger Posted September 28, 2013 Share Posted September 28, 2013 Couple years ago I drafted Megatron as the 1.1 overall pick in a dynasty. Then came back and got Dez and Percy Harvin. Took Reggie Bush late as a gamble that paid off since he had one of his best years. Then traded and got Cruz for the following years round 2 pick before he took off. Congratulations? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevegrab Posted September 30, 2013 Share Posted September 30, 2013 Correct - obviously anyone would rather NOT face a superior corner. Who argued that? I know it wasn't me... Nope, you just argued that Haden cannot shut down big physical receivers, only the speedy burner type guys. Green had 7 receptions for 51 yards, with a long of 16 (on something like 15 targets). I think a few of them may have gone for first down, but no big plays down the field and I know at least one play they threw to him and he was tackled short of the 1st down (his being big and physical didn't allow him to get away from Haden who is also a great tackler). Face it you were wrong about Haden, based on some gut feeling you had or what your eyes told you. I see the following plays to Green including 8 incomplete passes) 2-7 pass complete 4 yards 3-3 pass incomplete 1-10 pass incomplete 3-3 pass complete 1 yard 2-4 pass complete 11 yards (FIRST DOWN) 2-6 pass incomplete 3-4 pass incomplete 3-7 pass incomplete 2-7 pass incomplete 3-7 pass complete for 6 yards (was initially spotted as a first down, Browns challenge moved it back to short of 1st) 1-10 pass incomplete 1-10 pass incomplete (holding on offense, play didn't count) 2-24 pass incomplete 1-10 pass complete 8 yards 2-2 pass complete 5 yards (FIRST DOWN) 2-10 pass complete 16 yards (FIRST DOWN) Green also got called for a holding penalty. Hayden provided the coverage or tackle on most of those plys (though he didn't cove Green exclusively). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Endzone Is Near Posted September 30, 2013 Share Posted September 30, 2013 Nope, you just argued that Haden cannot shut down big physical receivers, only the speedy burner type guys. Green had 7 receptions for 51 yards, with a long of 16 (on something like 15 targets). I think a few of them may have gone for first down, but no big plays down the field and I know at least one play they threw to him and he was tackled short of the 1st down (his being big and physical didn't allow him to get away from Haden who is also a great tackler). Face it you were wrong about Haden, based on some gut feeling you had or what your eyes told you. I see the following plays to Green including 8 incomplete passes) 2-7 pass complete 4 yards 3-3 pass incomplete 1-10 pass incomplete 3-3 pass complete 1 yard 2-4 pass complete 11 yards (FIRST DOWN) 2-6 pass incomplete 3-4 pass incomplete 3-7 pass incomplete 2-7 pass incomplete 3-7 pass complete for 6 yards (was initially spotted as a first down, Browns challenge moved it back to short of 1st) 1-10 pass incomplete 1-10 pass incomplete (holding on offense, play didn't count) 2-24 pass incomplete 1-10 pass complete 8 yards 2-2 pass complete 5 yards (FIRST DOWN) 2-10 pass complete 16 yards (FIRST DOWN) Green also got called for a holding penalty. Hayden provided the coverage or tackle on most of those plys (though he didn't cove Green exclusively). LMAO. How many times did you have to change undies at the thought of coming back to rehash this? Lol...what a joke. I had honestly forgotten about this stupid thread. And nope, I wasn't wrong about the type of corner Haden is. I WAS wrong about AJ's performance, but I'm actually fine with that. Hope this gets your week off to a GREAT start thinking you got a leg up on me, big guy! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevegrab Posted September 30, 2013 Share Posted September 30, 2013 LMAO. How many times did you have to change undies at the thought of coming back to rehash this? Lol...what a joke. I had honestly forgotten about this stupid thread. And nope, I wasn't wrong about the type of corner Haden is. I WAS wrong about AJ's performance, but I'm actually fine with that. Hope this gets your week off to a GREAT start thinking you got a leg up on me, big guy! So basically you're never wrong. Experts like DMD and Darin3 who do this stuff for a living are wrong for thinking Haden is a shutdown corner and can stop or extremely limit AJ Green. So instead you were wrong about Green performance. And Haden still cannot handle a physical receiver. Honestly I hadn't thought about this thread or you at all while enjoying my NFL day yesterday. But when I took some time to come read the posts I remembered what an ASS you were and figured I'd bump the thread and give you one more chance to admit you were wrong. But of course you're not capable of that, because you are the second coming of the all knowing Baby Jane. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FatalFact Posted September 30, 2013 Author Share Posted September 30, 2013 Seeing as how I started this "Stupid Thread" I just wanted to come back and eat a little crow for not taking the sound avice the website listed. INCREDIBLE work DMD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LbNiners Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 making me more and more sad every week after week 1 for not taking Graham instead of him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Endzone Is Near Posted October 1, 2013 Share Posted October 1, 2013 Seeing as how I started this "Stupid Thread" I just wanted to come back and eat a little crow for not taking the sound avice the website listed. INCREDIBLE work DMD Yeah...incredible work. Bc THEY shut down AJ Green.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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