Avernus Posted June 11, 2005 Share Posted June 11, 2005 I'd rather take Collins 3 rounds later than where C-pep would end up in my draft.. remember how much Moss inflated Cunningham and George's numbers?...Collins will still make his mistakes, but will see plenty 300+ yd games and at least 2 TD's most of the time... Porter is better than any starting WR on the Vikings and will see the ball more than Burleson did with Moss was in last year(someone made a comment about that)...didn't he have Robinson and Campbell to contend with?...along with Wiggins catching a decent share as well when healthy... the Raiders will have Moss and Porter catching most of the balls while Jordan off-sets the attack... I'd love to land any 2 of the 4 on my team (Moss, Collins, Porter or Jordan)....this team will have "hugh" fantasy numbers this year and will likely not have a strong enough D to stop other teams from making it a shootout... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy Neutron Posted June 12, 2005 Share Posted June 12, 2005 Yes, I see your point. Culpepper was chasing the completion percentage record last season and ended with 69.2. Collins ended the year with a 56.3 % rate. Btw, what was Brady's? 60.8 838453[/snapback] My comment was limited to the long ball. Daunte was good a throwing it out there and letting Randy go get it. C-Pep's a good QB, I'm not saying it was all Moss. If we could just get him to give up the UBER-GAY Patty-cake Rrrooolllllll-it celebration...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATL|Falc0n Posted June 12, 2005 Share Posted June 12, 2005 My comment was limited to the long ball. Daunte was good a throwing it out there and letting Randy go get it. C-Pep's a good QB, I'm not saying it was all Moss. If we could just get him to give up the UBER-GAY Patty-cake Rrrooolllllll-it celebration...... 838790[/snapback] I like the patty-cake roooooooool-it celebration -does celebration over and over again- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikesVikes Posted June 12, 2005 Share Posted June 12, 2005 Collins is one of the most inconsistent QBs that still has a starting gig. I've seen the reports on the net stating that Collins has a good vertical game and adding Moss to his tandem will help him. Sometimes you just have to take a step back and do a double take and ask yourself where they come up with this stuff. Collins as a great producer week in and week out....has that ever happened? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avernus Posted June 12, 2005 Share Posted June 12, 2005 Collins is one of the most inconsistent QBs that still has a starting gig. I've seen the reports on the net stating that Collins has a good vertical game and adding Moss to his tandem will help him. Sometimes you just have to take a step back and do a double take and ask yourself where they come up with this stuff. Collins as a great producer week in and week out....has that ever happened? 838980[/snapback] has he ever had weapons like this?...an OL as good as this one is?...even though they aren't great...the Giants never had that great of a line... Toomer is the best wideout he's probably ever had, and Porter is probably better...let alone Moss who is at least the 2nd best wideout in the game....the best at purely catching the ball and jumping for it as well IMO.... all we have to see is if Jordan is better than Barber was, especially since I think last season was his best year ever...without Collins of course, because they didn't have a very reliable QB last season... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pancake Posted June 12, 2005 Share Posted June 12, 2005 has he ever had weapons like this?...an OL as good as this one is?...even though they aren't great...the Giants never had that great of a line... Toomer is the best wideout he's probably ever had, and Porter is probably better...let alone Moss who is at least the 2nd best wideout in the game....the best at purely catching the ball and jumping for it as well IMO.... all we have to see is if Jordan is better than Barber was, especially since I think last season was his best year ever...without Collins of course, because they didn't have a very reliable QB last season... 839244[/snapback] CAR 1996. That team went 12-4 and their O-Line was great that year....of course he was throwing passes to a couple of wideouts I dont remember. Collins stats for that year reflect that he wasnt asked to "make plays" ......just to protect the ball....no turnovers....let the Defense set the tone...etc. They beat DAL in the divisional playoffs only to lose to GB Packers in the NFC Championship game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adrenaline Posted June 13, 2005 Share Posted June 13, 2005 This is what I would expect him to say. I wouldn't think he would say Culpepper is way better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hugh 0ne Posted June 13, 2005 Share Posted June 13, 2005 Randy Moss made Gus Frerotte look good. Collin's numbers will go up, without a doubt, but he by no means has better pocket presence or is a better decision maker. He can throw the ball well when given time and has a good arm. He will throw downfield to Moss often, and Moss will make some plays, and this will inflate Collin's numbers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikesVikes Posted June 13, 2005 Share Posted June 13, 2005 For what it's worth (not much), I noticed in a Sporting News Magazine that they ranked the top QBs for Arm Strength, accuracy, 2 minute offense, running abilities, and other categories. They listed the top three Qbs for each category. Culpepper appeared as a leader in every category. Culpepper was the only player to do so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turf Smurf Posted June 14, 2005 Share Posted June 14, 2005 Moss will be a non-factor after the first game with Denver. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Turf Smurf Posted June 14, 2005 Share Posted June 14, 2005 Oh yeah, and for what it's worth, IMO putting Collins anywhere near the same class as C-Pep is laughable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hitman Posted June 15, 2005 Share Posted June 15, 2005 CPepp's reaction: from KFFL.... Vikings | Culpepper Reacts to Moss' Comments Wed, 15 Jun 2005 05:57:33 -0700 The Pioneer Press reports Minnesota Vikings QB Daunte Culpepper was asked Tuesday, June 14, his reaction to ex-teammate Randy Moss' ESPN interview during which Moss said QB Kerry Collins is a better overall quarterback than Culpepper. Culpepper smiled quizzically and said, "When I first heard that, I figured maybe Randy had fallen and bumped his head to say something that crazy," Culpepper said. "All they've got to do is look at the numbers. I mean no disrespect to Kerry Collins. I understand that (Moss) has to say something good about his quarterback. But he didn't have to say anything that crazy." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-Scorp Posted June 17, 2005 Author Share Posted June 17, 2005 So are Moss and Culpepper the NFL's version of ShaQ and Kobe??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1stimer Posted June 17, 2005 Share Posted June 17, 2005 For what it's worth (not much), I noticed in a Sporting News Magazine that they ranked the top QBs for Arm Strength, accuracy, 2 minute offense, running abilities, and other categories. They listed the top three Qbs for each category. Culpepper appeared as a leader in every category. Culpepper was the only player to do so. 840134[/snapback] Where was Brady? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caveman_Nick Posted June 17, 2005 Share Posted June 17, 2005 Oh yeah, and for what it's worth, IMO putting Collins anywhere near the same class as C-Pep is laughable. 841428[/snapback] FWIW, I do not think C-pep will even make the top 5 in Fantasy Points for a QB now that Moss is gone. I will mercilessly heckle the people that spend first and second round picks on him. He will be a middle of the road QB this year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-Scorp Posted June 17, 2005 Author Share Posted June 17, 2005 FWIW, I do not think C-pep will even make the top 5 in Fantasy Points for a QB now that Moss is gone. I will mercilessly heckle the people that spend first and second round picks on him. He will be a middle of the road QB this year. 845384[/snapback] So who are the other 4 after Manning???? While I think a first and early second is too high for any QB this year I can't see 4 other QB's posting higher numbers than C-Pep. Remember he can run too!! McNabb.. maybe but needs Owens Green.. needs a solid RB to take pressure of his receivers (who are not good) Favre.. he's not geting any younger and the O'line is not as good as it used to be. Plummer.. not a chance, whose he going to throw to? Delhomme... maybe if Smith is truely healthy and he running game gets back on track. Hasselbeck.. maybe, but Alexander is out to prove something and the WR's leave much to be desired. Brees.. LT is still there and defenses might actually try and cover Gates this year. Barring injury Culpepper finishes in the top 5 for fantasy points! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caveman_Nick Posted June 17, 2005 Share Posted June 17, 2005 So who are the other 4 after Manning???? While I think a first and early second is too high for any QB this year I can't see 4 other QB's posting higher numbers than C-Pep. Remember he can run too!! McNabb.. maybe but needs Owens Green.. needs a solid RB to take pressure of his receivers (who are not good) Favre.. he's not geting any younger and the O'line is not as good as it used to be. Plummer.. not a chance, whose he going to throw to? Delhomme... maybe if Smith is truely healthy and he running game gets back on track. Hasselbeck.. maybe, but Alexander is out to prove something and the WR's leave much to be desired. Brees.. LT is still there and defenses might actually try and cover Gates this year. Barring injury Culpepper finishes in the top 5 for fantasy points! 845446[/snapback] Sounds like a sigline bet in the making... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-Scorp Posted June 17, 2005 Author Share Posted June 17, 2005 I was thinking the same thing as I was typing! I'm in if you are Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1stimer Posted June 17, 2005 Share Posted June 17, 2005 McNabb.. maybe but needs OwensGreen.. needs a solid RB to take pressure of his receivers (who are not good) Favre.. he's not geting any younger and the O'line is not as good as it used to be. Plummer.. not a chance, whose he going to throw to? Delhomme... maybe if Smith is truely healthy and he running game gets back on track. Hasselbeck.. maybe, but Alexander is out to prove something and the WR's leave much to be desired. Brees.. LT is still there and defenses might actually try and cover Gates this year. Barring injury Culpepper finishes in the top 5 for fantasy points! 845446[/snapback] McNabb can run too (at least compared to most ... he certainly ain't no Cunningham though) ... I see him in the top 5 most likely Favre depends on how patient he is ... if Green has a good year and Brett gets time to throw I would say he has an outside chance Not too high on Plummer Delhomme had the CAR pass attack ranked 10 in yardage and 7 in tds last year ... while the running game was 28th and 25th ... Smith will help, but Colbert will take off (you watch and see!) Hasselbeck ... he stinks (personal opinion) ... ok, had to get that out of the way. Possible but not probable. I know SA is trying to prove something but will Holmgren let him??? Brees is another possiblility for top 5. Remember his WR's last year were constantly in and out. They should have more time to gel this year so I would expect spreading the ball around a little more but with a big time RB and TE you can pretty much run an offense ... look at KC ... only difference is that SD has the defense to back it up. I still see CPep being able to make it in the top 5 as long as his WR's perform. Which I just tend to think they will be able to do. On the flip side, Strange Brew is a great flick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caveman_Nick Posted June 17, 2005 Share Posted June 17, 2005 Aiight...here are the proposed terms... Sigline for the length of the playoffs. If C-pep ends up top 5 in fantasy points, you win. Otherwise, I win. Now...you stated he would be top 5 in points. Do you mean overall, or among QBs? What would be the most equitable way to score this? Huddle perfect? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pedroz13 Posted June 17, 2005 Share Posted June 17, 2005 Aiight...here are the proposed terms... Sigline for the length of the playoffs. If C-pep ends up top 5 in fantasy points, you win. Otherwise, I win. Now...you stated he would be top 5 in points. Do you mean overall, or among QBs? What would be the most equitable way to score this? Huddle perfect? 845474[/snapback] I think y'all need an injury clause in there. I have done one of these before with a Vick owner (before everyone realized he's fantasy garbage), and he missed tons of games and obviously didn't end up in the top 5 lsit at season's end. Just a suggestion....... My 2 cents says that there is no way Daunte isn't in the top 5 at season's end (barring injury). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-Scorp Posted June 17, 2005 Author Share Posted June 17, 2005 Perfect Huddle makes sense as it doesn't give a premium for rushing QB's. I was responding to your top five QB statement so top 5 QB's Per Pedroz's suggestion and my orginal comment about barring injury (to Culpepper) do you want to throw in an injury clause...ie minimum of games played? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T-Scorp Posted June 17, 2005 Author Share Posted June 17, 2005 (edited) On the flip side, Strange Brew is a great flick 845464[/snapback] One of my all time favorite movies "I'd kiss you buy I have puke breath" is my other favorite line from that movie. We used to try and take a drink of beer every time Bob or Doug said "eh" but we usally ran out of beer or got too drunk to get through the entire movie Edited June 17, 2005 by T-Scorp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caveman_Nick Posted June 17, 2005 Share Posted June 17, 2005 Perfect Huddle makes sense as it doesn't give a premium for rushing QB's. I was responding to your top five QB statement so top 5 QB's Per Pedroz's suggestion and my orginal comment about barring injury (to Culpepper) do you want to throw in an injury clause...ie minimum of games played? 845525[/snapback] I say we do an average PPG, minimum 10 games played. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clubfoothead Posted June 17, 2005 Share Posted June 17, 2005 Moss says Collins is better than Culpepper 837406[/snapback] Everybody will be saying that this time next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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