Balzac Posted September 21, 2007 Share Posted September 21, 2007 I think we have to assume they are cheating until proven otherwise. that would be a pretty ridiculous assumption. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vet Posted September 21, 2007 Share Posted September 21, 2007 But they've been doing it for years! Why hasn't Brady's completion % been near 80% for the duration? Who knows? Maybe he's just not that smart. Maybe, even with the advantage of having the defensive play call radioed into his helmet at the line of scrimmage, he still can't get it right some of the time. I don't know. What about the other teams that have been stealing signs (as many football insiders have alluded to) - why aren't they completing 80% of their passes? What other teams have gotten caught cheating? Did I miss something? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vinatieri Is God Posted September 21, 2007 Share Posted September 21, 2007 That's kind of stupid. Yes it is I don't think the Patriots will start holding up signs with the defensive calls on them. You can suggest it to the Patriots if you want, but I doubt they'll listen to some anonymous guy on a fantasy football website message board. I'll call up Bobby K I just think it's interesting that a team that has been proven to cheat by stealing defensive signals has a quarterback with an 80% completion percentage. It just makes me wonder what the completion percentage would be for other 31 NFL quarterbacks if they didn't have to go through the hassle of actually reading the defense and adjusting to it. I would guess they would be exactly the same since all the teams have some idea of the other teams defensive signals. And besides, what makes you think Brady doesn't have to read the defense anyway? If someone told you the answer to question 6 on the test is "B" you'd still read the question to make sure wouldn't you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sturphy Posted September 21, 2007 Share Posted September 21, 2007 No. Of course no one saw it. If every football fan saw it, they would have gotten caught again. I'm not saying the Patriots are bad cheaters, I'm saying they are good cheaters. Take it as a compliment. Vet, you are brutal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gilwiggum Posted September 21, 2007 Share Posted September 21, 2007 I think we have to assume they are cheating until proven otherwise. so even after the NFL investigation showed no other evidence of cheating, you still think they are? http://www.boston.com/sports/football/patr..._be_hit_harder/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vinatieri Is God Posted September 21, 2007 Share Posted September 21, 2007 The communication between the head coach and the QB cuts off with 15 seconds left on the play clock. The possibility of deciphering defensive play calls and realying them to the QB in that little time is next to impossible. Just let it go... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vet Posted September 21, 2007 Share Posted September 21, 2007 so even after the NFL investigation showed no other evidence of cheating, you still think they are? http://www.boston.com/sports/football/patr..._be_hit_harder/ They had a week to bury the evidence. No cheater worth his salt would have turned over any incriminating evidence given that amount of time. Plus, the league wants to sweep this under the rug, they're not going to go public with any findings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balzac Posted September 21, 2007 Share Posted September 21, 2007 What other teams have gotten caught cheating? Did I miss something? Yes - you missed the rest of my post, apparently (unless you actually believe that the only teams that are cheating are the ones who get caught, which I can't believe woul dbe the case). If that maxim holds true, does that mean that all the guys I see going 85 on the highway w/o getting pulled over aren't actually speeding? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balzac Posted September 21, 2007 Share Posted September 21, 2007 The communication between the head coach and the QB cuts off with 15 seconds left on the play clock. The possibility of deciphering defensive play calls and realying them to the QB in that little time is next to impossible. Just let it go... +6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balzac Posted September 21, 2007 Share Posted September 21, 2007 They had a week to bury the evidence. No cheater worth his salt would have turned over any incriminating evidence given that amount of time. Plus, the league wants to sweep this under the rug, they're not going to go public with any findings. what? then why did they go public with any of this to begin with? anyway, this is a waste of breath/typing - if you're going to assume that the Pats are cheating until proven otherwise, you're going to be assuming they're cheaters until the end of time (considering the fact that it's impossible to prove a negative like that). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vet Posted September 21, 2007 Share Posted September 21, 2007 The communication between the head coach and the QB cuts off with 15 seconds left on the play clock. That probably explains why the Patriots have used unapproved radio frequencies during several games. Where there's a will there is a way, and the Patriots have demonstrated the will to cheat. Birds fly, fish swim, cheaters cheat. Look, you're probably right. I'm sure professional football history is rife with examples of mediocre college quarterbacks who get drafted in the sixth round and suddenly turn into "great" professional quarterbacks on teams that are proven to have been cheating. I'm sure it happens all the time. It's probably just a coincidence. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vinatieri Is God Posted September 21, 2007 Share Posted September 21, 2007 That probably explains why the Patriots have used unapproved radio frequencies during several games. I was wondering what that was in my headphones this past Sunday while I was at the game?? Listening to the Sox on WEEI and in the middle of Castiglione's call I hear, "switch to the screen, they're coming on the blitz". Now it all makes sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balzac Posted September 21, 2007 Share Posted September 21, 2007 Look, you're probably right. I'm sure professional football history is rife with examples of mediocre college quarterbacks who get drafted in the sixth round and suddenly turn into "great" professional quarterbacks on teams that are proven to have been cheating. I'm sure it happens all the time. It's probably just a coincidence. You're acting as if it's impossible for a QB who wasn't drafted in the first round to be successful. Steve Young? Kurt Warner? Joe Montana (not as extreme, but he didn't go until the 3rd round)? They're called diamonds in the rough - it happens. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vet Posted September 21, 2007 Share Posted September 21, 2007 You're acting as if it's impossible for a QB who wasn't drafted in the first round to be successful. Steve Young? Kurt Warner? Joe Montana (not as extreme, but he didn't go until the 3rd round)? They're called diamonds in the rough - it happens. True. But those teams didn't cheat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sturphy Posted September 21, 2007 Share Posted September 21, 2007 True. But those teams didn't cheat. Didn't the Niners get busted for Salary Cap violations? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big John Posted September 21, 2007 Share Posted September 21, 2007 Didn't the Niners get busted for Salary Cap violations? Yes, and the Broncos. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sturphy Posted September 21, 2007 Share Posted September 21, 2007 http://www.boulderpublishing.com/sports/fo.../a382023a.shtml Sorry for dredging up the past Niner fans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kingfish247 Posted September 21, 2007 Share Posted September 21, 2007 ...Brady has targeted Moss 18 times through 2 games this season - 1 pass was intercepted, and each of the other 17 resulted in a completion to Moss.... I like to imagine Randy Moss reenacting this scene from 'Half Baked' when asked to comment about him being a washed-up malcontent... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fballfreak Posted September 21, 2007 Share Posted September 21, 2007 True. But those teams didn't cheat. I thought I heard the other day that when the 49ers and the Broncos were winning SBs they were way over the Cap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gilwiggum Posted September 21, 2007 Share Posted September 21, 2007 Yes, and the Broncos. And the Steelers I believe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sturphy Posted September 21, 2007 Share Posted September 21, 2007 And the Steelers I believe Hmmm...don't recall the Steelers in violation....anyone? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nhoops Posted September 21, 2007 Share Posted September 21, 2007 But they've been doing it for years! Why hasn't Brady's completion % been near 80% for the duration? What about the other teams that have been stealing signs (as many football insiders have alluded to) - why aren't they completing 80% of their passes? I love how people seem to think that because the Pats are the only team that got caught, they must be the only team who's cheating - that's straight up idiocy. I also love how people seem to think that stealing defensive signals *automatically* means that the sign thiefs are able to put this supposed advantage to use week in and week out and, essentially, know every defensive formation before it materializes in front of them. I heard a nice interview with Urlacher the other morning where he more or less dismissed the whole thing b/c he didn't see any way that knowing another team's signals could provide a big benefit b/c the defensive units themselves don't even get the signals until they see what formation the O puts out there - the thrust was that there's simply not enough time to react. I think it sounds all well and good in theory that stealing defensive signals is a huge advantage, but I think people just aren't thinking about it from a practical standpoint. Don't cloud the discussion with logic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balzac Posted September 21, 2007 Share Posted September 21, 2007 True. But those teams didn't get caught cheating. Please see the above correction (unless you have magic powers that allow you to prove negatives from the past). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vet Posted September 21, 2007 Share Posted September 21, 2007 I thought I heard the other day that when the 49ers and the Broncos were winning SBs they were way over the Cap. You can speculate all you want about other teams. If it helps you minimize the fact that your team cheats and that makes you feel better about yourself, go for it. I'm would never accuse anyone of cheating who hasn't been caught cheating. That's kind of lame. All we know for certain is that the Patriots cheat. Now were left to sit here and wonder how successful the team, and it's individual players, would have been had they not been cheating. Sadly, we'll never know for sure. It's a shame, really. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big John Posted September 21, 2007 Share Posted September 21, 2007 And the Steelers I believe Correct. In 2001 with the Wollford contract. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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