kingfish247 Posted October 18, 2007 Share Posted October 18, 2007 Isn't a force-out ruling a ruling on the play result? Like the difference between an incomplete pass or a complete pass, TD or no TD? Sounds like it should be reviewable IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xtra Posted October 18, 2007 Share Posted October 18, 2007 Review the force out plays and take out the controlling the ball after you go out of bounds rule,its out of bounds for a reason. Reviewing any penalty would be a bad idea. The "only the officials can review a play in the last 2 minutes" is a joke as well when yout think about it.There are more important plays that decide a game outside of the last 2 minutes ,give the team an extra flag and get rid of that rule. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronco Billy Posted October 18, 2007 Share Posted October 18, 2007 Extensive replays would make the game tedious. Almost every play could be re-examined for transgressions one way or the other. What the NFL apparently needs to do is train its people better. The Franks force out was a ridiculously easy call, even at game speed. The other major call in question that took 7 pts off the board directly was the holding call, and replay clearly showed no holding occurred on the play - in other words the ref was doing nothing more than guessing, since he couldn't have seen what so clearly wasn't there. Those are training issues - the guys don't know enough to do their jobs properly. NFL players are pro athletes because they fit into the top 0.1% of athletes in the country. Refs shouldn't be any different, and ought to be people who can examine factual physical evidence quickly and make a correct analysis of what they see, and should reside in the top 0.1% of people who are capable of this ability. The NFL needs to start looking at making its refs full time employees so that they can spend appropriate time honing their skills during the week, rather than part time guys who go back to their own real world jobs after the weekend is over. The NFL is big-time business, and it shouldn't treat the refs any differently. There is no justification for not having full time refs on the pay roll - what's the excuse not to, that they can't afford it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azazello1313 Posted October 18, 2007 Share Posted October 18, 2007 Not that I disagree with the notion of push out not being reviewed , but you are comparing them to penalties, a push out is not a penalty so its apples and yellow flags here. aren't some penalties reviewable? 12 men on the field, throwing past the line of scrimmage, illegal touching on an onside kick? the difference is not that those are penalties, but that they are questions with clear black/white answers...not judgment calls. which makes bush's comparison dead-on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
G.K.Trey Posted October 18, 2007 Share Posted October 18, 2007 aren't some penalties reviewable? 12 men on the field, throwing past the line of scrimmage, illegal touching on an onside kick? the difference is not that those are penalties, but that they are questions with clear black/white answers...not judgment calls. which makes bush's comparison dead-on. The differene IS that they are penalties. Every instace he showed WAS a penalty, so if you want to compare a push out to something compare it to something that is NOT a penalty. Not to mention you are wrong that every example he gave has a black and white answer to it. Def pass interference is Black and White?, blocks in the back ,holding? Come on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azazello1313 Posted October 18, 2007 Share Posted October 18, 2007 The differene IS that they are penalties. Every instace he showed WAS a penalty, so if you want to compare a push out to something compare it to something that is NOT a penalty. Not to mention you are wrong that every example he gave has a black and white answer to it. Def pass interference is Black and White?, blocks in the back ,holding? Come on. those were examples of judgment calls that are not and should not be reviewable, genius. the point was, holding, PI and push-outs are NOT reviewable because they are judgment calls. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xtra Posted October 18, 2007 Share Posted October 18, 2007 (edited) those were examples of judgment calls that are not and should not be reviewable, genius. the point was, holding, PI and push-outs are NOT reviewable because they are judgment calls. Should it be considered different since the ball is caught in a forceout? Edited October 18, 2007 by xtra Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CowboysDiehard Posted October 18, 2007 Share Posted October 18, 2007 Hey, hijackers - the point of this thread is that GB got jobbed and should be given a win over the Bears as compensation. If you want to discuss replay, take it somewhere else. +1 and if it can be a 4 pt win, that would be even better!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bushwacked Posted October 18, 2007 Share Posted October 18, 2007 (edited) On the flip side, what irritates you more: A horrible, game-altering call? Or that ref who takes too much time under the hood? They're both unpleasant, but I know which one I hate worse. You are talking to a fan of a team who is well versed in on being on the short stick of horrible game-altering calls (besides Superbowl 40). The Seahawks were involved in 2 games greatly influenced instant replay. - In the 80s the Seahawks scored a TD late in a game, last game of the season, that would seal there playoff berth. The officials called a TD, The replay booth reviewed it and communicated "It is complete" back to the field. The official misinterpreted and stated "It's ruled incomplete" on the field. Seattle loses and they don't advance to post-season. This particular boondoggle heavily influences the NFL to put the kaboosh on NFL replay the following seasons. - In the 90s (early 90s I believe), Seattle was once again playing for a playoff berth in the last game of the season at New York (who was also battling for the playoffs). Parcells goes for a game winning TD during the last minute of the game on a 4th and goal Vinny Testarverde QB sneak. Vinny is tackled a good yard and a half to two yards short of the endzone and the ref inexplicably calls a TD. Seattle loses and doesn't advance to the playoffs. Dennis Erickson gets fired and an embarrassed NFL reinstates instant replay the next season. Point being, I like instant replay and it serves a proper purpose: to overturn plays with irrefutable evidence like the two I listed above. NFL replay is not and should not be used to overturn judgment calls for what the replay official supposed might have happened (God help us all if that is ever the case). Methinks if you guys have an issue with the push out, you should be complaining about the rule itself, not demanding the rule be subject to replay review. Edited October 18, 2007 by bushwacked Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big John Posted October 18, 2007 Share Posted October 18, 2007 In- In the 90s (early 90s I believe), 1998. Seahawks then hire Holmgren the next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CowboysDiehard Posted October 18, 2007 Share Posted October 18, 2007 1998. Seahawks then hire Holmgren the next year. ...who takes them to the super bowl....so what's to complain about? you could have been stuck with Erickson!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bushwacked Posted October 18, 2007 Share Posted October 18, 2007 Not that I disagree with the notion of push out not being reviewed , but you are comparing them to penalties, The fact that they are penalties is a non-issue. In hindsight, I shouldn't have listed reviewing offsides or false starts. I'd much rather have an official replay illegal touching on an onside kick, throwing past the line of scrimmage, too many men on the field .....et al; compared to reviewing pass interference, offensive/defensive holding, and imagining where a guy would land on the field if he didn't get pushed out of bounds....et al. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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