MojoMan Posted May 24, 2008 Share Posted May 24, 2008 Dat be one crazzy beotch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaP'N GRuNGe Posted May 24, 2008 Author Share Posted May 24, 2008 I believe she's ahead if you count floriduh and michigan (where obama received zero votes). of course, we know that's silly, how can you fairly count michigan if obama wasn't even on the ballot? but she can say with an almost straight face that more people have voted for her this primary season than for obama. she can also rightly and somewhat relevantly point out that she'd be destroying obama if the contest was an electoral college style contest. in big, battleground states she is eating obama's lunch. You're right. Her Kentucky win did push her over now if you count those two invalid elections. http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/20...vote_count.html Popular Vote Count State Date Obama Clinton Spread Popular Vote Total 16,682,022 49.1% 16,225,142 47.7% Obama +456,880 +1.4% Estimate w/IA, NV, ME, WA* 17,016,106 49.1% 16,449,004 47.5% Obama +567,102 +1.6% Popular Vote (w/FL) 17,258,236 48.3% 17,096,128 47.8% Obama +162,108 +0.5% Estimate w/IA, NV, ME, WA* 17,592,320 48.3% 17,319,990 47.6% Obama +272,330 +0.7% Popular Vote (w/FL & MI)** 17,258,236 47.5% 17,424,437 47.9% Clinton +166,201 +0.45% Estimate w/IA, NV, ME, WA* 17,592,320 47.6% 17,648,299 47.7% Clinton +55,979 +0.15% Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolverines Fan Posted May 24, 2008 Share Posted May 24, 2008 (edited) http://youtube.com/watch?v=E0QAewVrR28 For the love of God Hillary, you are NOT ahead in the popular vote. Even if you include Florida and Michigan. You can't claim that it's disenfrachising voters in Florida and Michigan if you do not include invalid election results (how many stayed home?) and then claim with a straight face that caucus state voters don't count. And you wonder why some people want you to go away. The assassination remarks aside, this is my biggest problem with her. And she has that annoying Terry McCaulif (sp) walking around spewing the same nonsense that is insulting to the intelligence of everyone. Edited May 24, 2008 by Wolverines Fan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duchess Jack Posted May 24, 2008 Share Posted May 24, 2008 The whole MI and FL thing is retarded. They broke the rules. They were warned and they did it anyway. Hillary supported it. This was never a voters right issue until she needed the votes. There is just NO way you can count these states, especially being that Obama didn't campaign in one because he was following the rules. It's raining men! Hallelulah! It's raining men! is wrong with Floridians? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
untateve Posted May 24, 2008 Share Posted May 24, 2008 The whole MI and FL thing is retarded. They broke the rules. They were warned and they did it anyway. Hillary supported it. This was never a voters right issue until she needed the votes. There is just NO way you can count these states, especially being that Obama didn't campaign in one because he was following the rules. It's raining men! Hallelulah! It's raining men! is wrong with Floridians? We are attention whores. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duchess Jack Posted May 24, 2008 Share Posted May 24, 2008 nice... 'its raining men' was the filter for Wh-Th-Fu... haven't seen that one yet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wiegie Posted May 24, 2008 Share Posted May 24, 2008 what would he have done differently? try and actually win in the big battleground states with a lot of electoral votes?uh, yes It's all about how you allocate your scarce resources. Obama's campaign would have certainly allocated his resources differently if the nomination process had different rules. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pope Flick Posted May 24, 2008 Share Posted May 24, 2008 true enough, a 60 point win in idaho is a lot more relevant than a 9 point win in ohio. Well, since we're talking about the primaries, lets look at your example: He won 15 delegates in Idaho, and she won 3. Net of 12 for Obama. Her 10 point win in Ohio won her 75 delegates to his 66. Net of 9 for Hillary. So, um, yeah the 60 point win in Idaho WAS more important to Obama in this primary season because he pulled ahead of her and nullified his loss when you isolate to your two examples. Thanks for agreeing!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randall Posted May 24, 2008 Share Posted May 24, 2008 The whole MI and FL thing is retarded. They broke the rules. They were warned and they did it anyway. Hillary supported it. This was never a voters right issue until she needed the votes. There is just NO way you can count these states, especially being that Obama didn't campaign in one because he was following the rules. It's raining men! Hallelulah! It's raining men! is wrong with Floridians? They will be seated. Obama has made many offers all of which were refused. He even offered to give her the FL votes but she won't give him any votes in Michigan. In FL republican legislature and republican governor violated the rules. They have filibustered everything in the US congress as well. They care more about partisan politics than the good of the country. They will be destroyed this election. Hopefully they can become real conservatives again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ursa Majoris Posted May 24, 2008 Share Posted May 24, 2008 In FL republican legislature and republican governor violated the rules. They have filibustered everything in the US congress as well. This is news to me. I had no idea that Florida legislators and governor did double duty in the US Congress too. Must be damn difficult for them to fit all that in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azazello1313 Posted May 24, 2008 Share Posted May 24, 2008 The whole MI and FL thing is retarded. They broke the rules. They were warned and they did it anyway. sez an obama supporter. sez a clinton supporter....these are two vital states for the dems to win in november, hundreds of thousands of people DID vote, and most of them voted for her. and she would probably win both states if they had "fair" re-dos. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duchess Jack Posted May 24, 2008 Share Posted May 24, 2008 sez an obama supporter. sez a clinton supporter....these are two vital states for the dems to win in november, hundreds of thousands of people DID vote, and most of them voted for her. and she would probably win both states if they had "fair" re-dos. I can understand that the people of these states are sore, but their issue is on the local level. What justification is there to go against the rules? What weight will rules have in the future? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaP'N GRuNGe Posted May 24, 2008 Author Share Posted May 24, 2008 (edited) This issue is cut and dry. Hillary: It's clear, this election is not going to count for anything. Edited May 24, 2008 by CaP'N GRuNGe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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