H8tank Posted November 18, 2008 Share Posted November 18, 2008 CHICAGO (CBS) -- An estimated 125 people were shot and killed over the summer. That's nearly double the number of U.S. soldiers killed in Iraq over the same time period. Somebody has to write this. The United States has won the war in Iraq. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperCharger Posted November 18, 2008 Share Posted November 18, 2008 When you put all bias aside it's hard to view our accomplishments in Iraq as nothing short of amazing. Dec 31, 2011 will be a great day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
detlef Posted November 18, 2008 Share Posted November 18, 2008 (edited) When you put all bias aside it's hard to view our accomplishments in Iraq as nothing short of amazing. Dec 31, 2011 will be a great day. If a contractor wins a bid to build something for my restaurant by telling me it will be pretty cheap and quick to finish and the project ends up taking years longer and countless fortunes more than he said it would, I think I would be experiencing emotions other than amazed. I'm sure plenty have done amazing things towards this end. However, it's hard not to be "biased" when so many higher ups involved in this sat there and said things about it that they either knew weren't remotely true or were stupid enough to believe themselves. Edited November 18, 2008 by detlef Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperCharger Posted November 18, 2008 Share Posted November 18, 2008 (edited) If a contractor wins a bid to build something for my restaurant by telling me it will be pretty cheap and quick to finish and the project ends up taking years longer and countless fortunes more than he said it would, I think I would be experiencing emotions other than amazed. I'm sure plenty have done amazing things towards this end. However, it's hard not to be "biased" when so many higher ups involved in this sat there and said things about it that they either knew weren't remotely true or were stupid enough to believe themselves. My amazement is with what was accomplished on the ground by our soldiers not by the Washington douchebags sitting on Capitol Hill. I'm a veteran. Maybe it takes a being a veteran to truly appreciate the job our soldiers have done. Edited November 18, 2008 by SuperCharger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
detlef Posted November 18, 2008 Share Posted November 18, 2008 My amazement is with what was accomplished on the ground by our soldiers not by the Washington douchebags sitting on Capitol Hill. I'm a veteran. Maybe it takes a being a veteran to truly appreciate the job our soldiers have done. I'm guessing our opinions of both what the soldiers have done and of Washington are not far apart. I guess I was referring to the collective "we" as the US as a whole and that, unfortunately not only includes the brave men and women who went there but also the a-holes who sold us a bunch of crap leading up to it and during it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westvirginia Posted November 18, 2008 Share Posted November 18, 2008 My amazement is with what was accomplished on the ground by our soldiers not by the Washington douchebags sitting on Capitol Hill. I'm a veteran. Maybe it takes a being a veteran to truly appreciate the job our soldiers have done. I'm not a vet, but come from a family of them, and I did understand what you meant. If you just look at the objective conditions pre-US and currently, it really is a drastic change. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moneymakers Posted November 18, 2008 Share Posted November 18, 2008 If a contractor wins a bid to build something for my restaurant by telling me it will be pretty cheap and quick to finish and the project ends up taking years longer and countless fortunes more than he said it would, I think I would be experiencing emotions other than amazed. I'm sure plenty have done amazing things towards this end. However, it's hard not to be "biased" when so many higher ups involved in this sat there and said things about it that they either knew weren't remotely true or were stupid enough to believe themselves. Who said it was going to be quick and cheap. Quick and cheap would of been a Billion Dollar bomb and let the Iranians clean it up. But Libby said no. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
detlef Posted November 19, 2008 Share Posted November 19, 2008 Who said it was going to be quick and cheap. You're not seriously asking that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Front Row Posted November 19, 2008 Share Posted November 19, 2008 When you put all bias aside it's hard to view our accomplishments in Iraq as nothing short of amazing. Dec 31, 2011 will be a great day. Yes . Unless of course , you really like kool aid and have no common sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H8tank Posted November 19, 2008 Author Share Posted November 19, 2008 you really like kool aid That remark is disturbing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randall Posted November 19, 2008 Share Posted November 19, 2008 We won in Vietnam too. We trained the Vietnamese to take over and left. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clubfoothead Posted November 19, 2008 Share Posted November 19, 2008 What did we win? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moneymakers Posted November 19, 2008 Share Posted November 19, 2008 LuLu won the right to be LuLu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evil_gop_liars Posted November 19, 2008 Share Posted November 19, 2008 What did we win? +1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bushwacked Posted November 19, 2008 Share Posted November 19, 2008 What did we win? More welfare cases. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Holliday Posted November 19, 2008 Share Posted November 19, 2008 More welfare cases. I thought that was won in the election. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
millerx Posted November 19, 2008 Share Posted November 19, 2008 What did we win? We won a major battle, but not the war...oh, and that war is with islamic extremists. However, that major battle has the potential for swaying the overall war. Just sayin'... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moneymakers Posted November 19, 2008 Share Posted November 19, 2008 BAGHDAD — The U.S. military says it has arrested an alleged senior member of the Iranian security forces suspected of funneling weapons into Iraq. The military says in a statement released Wednesday that the alleged member of Iran's Revolutionary Guards' elite Quds force was detained at Baghdad Airport while trying to leave the country on Tuesday. The military says the suspect was using a job building and repairing religious sites in Iraq as cover to funnel weapons into the country. The U.S. alleges the Iranian was smuggling weapons into Iraq in legitimate shipments of building materials. The U.S. has long accused Iran of training and arming Athenae extremist groups in Iraq and fueling the insurgency. Tehran denies the charges. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randall Posted November 19, 2008 Share Posted November 19, 2008 BAGHDAD — The U.S. military says it has arrested an alleged senior member of the Iranian security forces suspected of funneling weapons into Iraq. The military says in a statement released Wednesday that the alleged member of Iran's Revolutionary Guards' elite Quds force was detained at Baghdad Airport while trying to leave the country on Tuesday. The military says the suspect was using a job building and repairing religious sites in Iraq as cover to funnel weapons into the country. The U.S. alleges the Iranian was smuggling weapons into Iraq in legitimate shipments of building materials. The U.S. has long accused Iran of training and arming Athenae extremist groups in Iraq and fueling the insurgency. Tehran denies the charges. They are running weapons into Iraq? Where are the weapons? "Trust us. We were right about WMD weren't we?" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AtomicCEO Posted November 19, 2008 Share Posted November 19, 2008 What did we win? After 6 years and trillions of dollars, the conditions in Iraq are slightly less awful then when we got there. Hooray! Every US citizen kicked in $6300 apiece for a modest improvement in Iraqi quality of life! Isn't that what we all signed up for? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
millerx Posted November 19, 2008 Share Posted November 19, 2008 After 6 years and trillions of dollars, the conditions in Iraq are slightly less awful then when we got there. Hooray! Every US citizen kicked in $6300 apiece for a modest improvement in Iraqi quality of life! Isn't that what we all signed up for? Nope. that reason was secondary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Missoula Griz Posted November 19, 2008 Share Posted November 19, 2008 What did we win? Exactly. Ask my uncle Bob who is still fighting chinks in his sleep. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
millerx Posted November 19, 2008 Share Posted November 19, 2008 Exactly. Ask my uncle Bob who is still fighting chinks in his sleep. huh? do you mean to say he doesn't understand why he was fighting "chinks" (as you say)? or did I misunderstand that? seriously... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randall Posted November 19, 2008 Share Posted November 19, 2008 Exactly. Ask my uncle Bob who is still fighting chinks in his sleep. Another reason to avoid police actions(Vietnam) and only fight real wars. Too many people like your uncle or even worse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westvirginia Posted November 19, 2008 Share Posted November 19, 2008 Another reason to avoid police actions(Vietnam) and only fight real wars. Too many people like your uncle or even worse. Yeah, cause this never happened with WWI or WWII vets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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