Seahawks21 Posted July 17, 2009 Share Posted July 17, 2009 Working at a golf shop, we here are all Caddyshack fanatics. There has been a debate going on for a while here (way too heated!) about what Carl Spackler says in this clip, at the 2:18 mark Carl Spackler clip--go to 2:18 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Menudo Posted July 17, 2009 Share Posted July 17, 2009 Working at a golf shop, we here are all Caddyshack fanatics. There has been a debate going on for a while here (way too heated!) about what Carl Spackler says in this clip, at the 2:18 mark Carl Spackler clip--go to 2:18 Who would think he said "I've out-finessed myself ????" That doesn't even make any sense. He definitely says "I've often asked myself" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Menudo Posted July 17, 2009 Share Posted July 17, 2009 (edited) Beautiful! I have to laugh... ...because I've often asked myself... ...my foe, my enemy, is an animal. In order to conquer him... Edit to add: This appears to just be someone's transcript, so, nevermind, it proves nothing, but, I'm 100% sure that he didn't say "I've out-finessed myself" Edited July 17, 2009 by Menudo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seahawks21 Posted July 17, 2009 Author Share Posted July 17, 2009 (edited) Beautiful! I have to laugh... ...because I've often asked myself... ...my foe, my enemy, is an animal. In order to conquer him... Edit to add: This appears to just be someone's transcript, so, nevermind, it proves nothing, but, I'm 100% sure that he didn't say "I've out-finessed myself" My thing is, I don't understand the context of "i've often asked myself". Wouldn't that imply that there is a question somewhere?? Yet there is no question before or after this line. If the line is "i've often asked myself", what is he asking? Look at the context. There is no question in there anywhere. You're right about the script. We looked too. But since this movie was like 90% ad-libbed, I highly doubt any of this speech was ever written down. Any script you see will just be somebody's interpretation. I personally thought it was, "I have to laugh, because I'm all finesse myself", but people threw that in the garbage. When you think about it, the finesse line is a lot funnier. "I have to laugh, because I've out-finessed myself" is pretty funny when you think about the character. I don't see how "I have to laugh, because I've often asked myself" is funny, or what is has to do with anything. "I have to laugh, because I've often asked myself WHAT?!?!?" What did you often ask yourself Carl??? Edited July 17, 2009 by Seahawks21 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wolf Posted July 18, 2009 Share Posted July 18, 2009 Beautiful! I have to laugh... ...because I've often asked myself... ...my foe, my enemy, is an animal. In order to conquer him... Edit to add: This appears to just be someone's transcript, so, nevermind, it proves nothing, but, I'm 100% sure that he didn't say "I've out-finessed myself" Because I've often asked myself...this is it. Remember Seahawks: Cark is NOT all there. Who knows why he says what he says? Especially since it's nearly all ad-libbed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seahawks21 Posted July 18, 2009 Author Share Posted July 18, 2009 The more I research this, the more I think I'm right. I've run across a few people on various message boards and things that have the sigline: I have to laugh, because I've out-finessed myself. Not sure that this is proof of any kind, but I find far less info on "I have to laugh, because I've often asked myself" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Menudo Posted July 18, 2009 Share Posted July 18, 2009 The more I research this, the more I think I'm right. I've run across a few people on various message boards and things that have the sigline: I have to laugh, because I've out-finessed myself. Not sure that this is proof of any kind, but I find far less info on "I have to laugh, because I've often asked myself" Sorry, you're out of your mind.......... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Menudo Posted July 18, 2009 Share Posted July 18, 2009 The more I research this, the more I think I'm right. I've run across a few people on various message boards and things that have the sigline: I have to , because I've out-finessed myself. Not sure that this is proof of any kind, but I find far less info on "I have to laugh, because I've often asked myself" Really..... Here is a google search of Caddyshack "I've often asked myself" Pages and page and pages of results - 794 total results Here is a google search of Caddyshack "I've out-finessed myself" 7 total results 794 to 7.......yeah, you're probably right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Double Agent Posted July 18, 2009 Share Posted July 18, 2009 "I've often asked myself"...no question. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seahawks21 Posted July 18, 2009 Author Share Posted July 18, 2009 I have to laugh, because I've often asked myself. My foe, my enemy.... I have to laugh because I've often asked myself? You don't bring me flowers...ANYMORE! does that even mean? He is making a statement. There is no question there at all. What has Carl Spackler often asked himself?? You have to at least admit that "I have to laugh, because I've out-finessed myself" works a lot better, especially in the context. . I may be wrong, sure, but "I've often asked myself" makes no sense whatsoever, gramatically or in comedic context. Bill Murray was on such a roll, I don't think he would have come up with something that makes zero sense whatsoever. If he did, I think they would have left it on the cutting room floor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Menudo Posted July 18, 2009 Share Posted July 18, 2009 I have to laugh, because I've often asked myself. My foe, my enemy.... I have to laugh because I've often asked myself? You don't bring me flowers...ANYMORE! does that even mean? He is making a statement. There is no question there at all. What has Carl Spackler often asked himself?? You have to at least admit that "I have to laugh, because I've out-finessed myself" works a lot better, especially in the context. . I may be wrong, sure, but "I've often asked myself" makes no sense whatsoever, gramatically or in comedic context. Bill Murray was on such a roll, I don't think he would have come up with something that makes zero sense whatsoever. If he did, I think they would have left it on the cutting room floor. You are someone who doesn't like to admit he is wrong, aren't you. 794 results on one search, 7 on the other. You were wrong, move on. You think "I've out-finessed myself" makes more sense than "I've often asked myself" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seahawks21 Posted July 18, 2009 Author Share Posted July 18, 2009 You are someone who doesn't like to admit he is wrong, aren't you. 794 results on one search, 7 on the other. You were wrong, move on. You think "I've out-finessed myself" makes more sense than "I've often asked myself" In this context, yes, yes I do. When you write it in the context it was presented in the film, doesn't "I've often asked myself" imply that he often asks himself something? The results of this poll to date don't exactly make it seem like a one-sided argument. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillyBalata Posted July 18, 2009 Share Posted July 18, 2009 What is happening or has happened in the movie at that moment that would indicate he just did something to out-finesse himself? He just finished cutting new holes in the greens On the other hand, it's Carl Spackler...stating he often asks himself something and then going on to not really ask himself anything, is exactly something his character would do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jackass Posted July 19, 2009 Share Posted July 19, 2009 What is happening or has happened in the movie at that moment that would indicate he just did something to out-finesse himself? He just finished cutting new holes in the greens On the other hand, it's Carl Spackler...stating he often asks himself something and then going on to not really ask himself anything, is exactly something his character would do. I agree with this. i did entertain the out -finesse himself line for a moment but that doesn't make any sense either. I think as stated above he's just saying i often ask myself and then leaves it hanging. And yep, it's saturday night and i've got nothing better to do than spend 10 minutes thinking about this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seahawks21 Posted July 19, 2009 Author Share Posted July 19, 2009 What is happening or has happened in the movie at that moment that would indicate he just did something to out-finesse himself? He just finished cutting new holes in the greens On the other hand, it's Carl Spackler...stating he often asks himself something and then going on to not really ask himself anything, is exactly something his character would do. His tactic to that point was to flush him out using water. I believe this is what he is referencing by using too much finesse. During the scene in question, he is turning the clay models into explosives. According to Spackler, I believe this is the opposite of finesse. He isn't finessing them anymore, instead he is going to go right in and blow up the gopher. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
heydave76 Posted July 19, 2009 Share Posted July 19, 2009 His tactic to that point was to flush him out using water. I believe this is what he is referencing by using too much finesse. During the scene in question, he is turning the clay models into explosives. According to Spackler, I believe this is the opposite of finesse. He isn't finessing them anymore, instead he is going to go right in and blow up the gopher. I agree with this. That's why he goes on to explain that his enemy is an animal. Finesse isn't going to work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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