WaterMan Posted December 16, 2009 Share Posted December 16, 2009 and I couldn't find the political bias. Can someone help me out? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bpwallace49 Posted December 17, 2009 Share Posted December 17, 2009 Perch in 3 . . . .2 . . . .1 . . . . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gbpfan1231 Posted December 17, 2009 Share Posted December 17, 2009 Another idiotic post by Waterman in 3....2....1.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WaterMan Posted December 17, 2009 Author Share Posted December 17, 2009 I'll check this thing tomorrow. Not really expecting many examples tonight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tosberg34 Posted December 17, 2009 Share Posted December 17, 2009 Perch bpwallace49 in 3 . . . .2 . . . .1 . . . . Fixed. Since you posted right after Waterman this really should apply to you. Do you and Waterman live together? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tosberg34 Posted December 17, 2009 Share Posted December 17, 2009 and I couldn't find the political bias. Can someone help me out? Most times it's not what you're watching, but what you're NOT watching. Go think that one thru for a bit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bpwallace49 Posted December 17, 2009 Share Posted December 17, 2009 Fixed. Since you posted right after Waterman this really should apply to you. Do you and Waterman live together? But I though ALL conservatives think all media has liberal bias? No comment Tos? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tosberg34 Posted December 17, 2009 Share Posted December 17, 2009 But I though ALL conservatives think all media has liberal bias? No comment Tos? Yeah, actually I did. You must have missed it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaP'N GRuNGe Posted December 17, 2009 Share Posted December 17, 2009 Most times it's not what you're watching, but what you're NOT watching. Go think that one thru for a bit. Yeah guy. Turn on Fox and get you some Bill Ayers and Rev Wright. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimC Posted December 17, 2009 Share Posted December 17, 2009 (edited) Perhaps it was Katie Couric's exclusive night per month to spend in Obama's ass, so Brian Williams crawled out of it for once and was actually fair? Edited December 17, 2009 by TimC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WaterMan Posted December 17, 2009 Author Share Posted December 17, 2009 Most times it's not what you're watching, but what you're NOT watching. Go think that one thru for a bit. I can see the tactics Fox News uses, but you're saying the other networks are playing a different game? What are they doing exactly or not doing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matt770 Posted December 17, 2009 Share Posted December 17, 2009 True objective journalism is an ideal that few news outlets can even approach, much less attain. Many do a good job of appearing objective, but as Tosberg mentioned, bias often manifests in the stories that don't get covered. Sure, Fox is pushing an agenda, but the networks are too. If you can't see the bias, it's probably because they are speaking to your viewpoint. Really good objectivity and critical thinking is a challenge for both the viewer and the media head, because we all see the world thru a filter of our unique experiences and opinions. When you take something as highly charged as politics, when so many people insist their opinion is the right one and the opposing viewpoint is not only wrong but dangerous, it is no wonder that journalists act like crusaders for their cause. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pope Flick Posted December 17, 2009 Share Posted December 17, 2009 (edited) Sure, Fox is pushing an agenda, but the networks are too. If you can't see the bias, it's probably because they are speaking to your viewpoint. Really good objectivity and critical thinking is a challenge for both the viewer and the media head, because we all see the world thru a filter of our unique experiences and opinions. When you take something as highly charged as politics, when so many people insist their opinion is the right one and the opposing viewpoint is not only wrong but dangerous, it is no wonder that journalists act like crusaders for their cause. To place the "other networks" in Fox's category is pretty ridiculous. They have an established pattern of speaking innuendo during their "talk shows" and then sourcing their own shows to furhter their talking point agenda, as in "you know, SOME people say..." during their news shows when in fact journalism is about saying THIS PERSON SAID THAT, by and large, with anonymous sources typically being gov't officials and not their daytime talking heads employed by the same company. Bias occurs in the news by and large on an individual basis. NBC has always been pretty conservative with regards to the status quo since GE bought them in the 1980s. Don't mistake jumping on someone's popularity to boost ratings (which is what ALL networks engage in) with a true agenda that Fox has. Any honeymoon period has an end point, just like Obama's and the networks. The same one CLinton, Bush and most other presidents enjoyed during their first year in office. Edited December 17, 2009 by Pope Flick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WaterMan Posted December 17, 2009 Author Share Posted December 17, 2009 To place the "other networks" in Fox's category is pretty ridiculous. They have an established pattern of speaking innuendo during their "talk shows" and then sourcing their own shows to furhter their talking point agenda, as in "you know, SOME people say..." during their news shows when in fact journalism is about saying THIS PERSON SAID THAT, by and large, with anonymous sources typically being gov't officials and not their daytime talking heads employed by the same company. This is what I'm taking about. I took a journalism class once and NBC seemed to play by the journalism rules. If you wrote an article and used "some people say" that's including your opinion, but not directly. They are called "weasel words" and Fox is all over them. If a professor was grading a Fox story and a NBC story, Fox would fail. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Avoid_weasel_words Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matt770 Posted December 17, 2009 Share Posted December 17, 2009 To place the "other networks" in Fox's category is pretty ridiculous. They have an established pattern of speaking innuendo during their "talk shows" and then sourcing their own shows to furhter their talking point agenda, as in "you know, SOME people say..." during their news shows when in fact journalism is about saying THIS PERSON SAID THAT, by and large, with anonymous sources typically being gov't officials and not their daytime talking heads employed by the same company. Bias occurs in the news by and large on an individual basis. NBC has always been pretty conservative with regards to the status quo since GE bought them in the 1980s. Don't mistake jumping on someone's popularity to boost ratings (which is what ALL networks engage in) with a true agenda that Fox has. Any honeymoon period has an end point, just like Obama's and the networks. The same one CLinton, Bush and most other presidents enjoyed during their first year in office. So starting next year the networks will start treating Obama like they treated Bush? Can't wait to see that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WaterMan Posted December 17, 2009 Author Share Posted December 17, 2009 So starting next year the networks will start treating Obama like they treated Bush? Can't wait to see that. It's not like Obama started a 2nd war based on two lies yet. You have to give this administration time to lie and make money for themselves like the prior. Just wait it out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duchess Jack Posted December 17, 2009 Share Posted December 17, 2009 (edited) If the media were liberal than there would have been more questions asked in the leadup to the Iraq war. If the media were liberal than we would have no been talking about the 'leadup to war' but rather something involving diplomacy. If the media were liberal than Phil Donahue would not have been fired from MSNBC because they did not want to be the 'anti-war' news channel. If the media were liberal, CNN would not have gone to the Pentagon to get a list of generals who would be great for analysts. If the media were liberal than once the war in Iraq started, they would have kept asking why we went to war ((not that they were in the first place)) rather than reporting on the war itself and gushing over the military tech. If the media were liberal, then nobody would have fallen for the embedding BS. Most TV news is in bed with whatever administration is in charge (except for Fox - they're always lifting the GOP). The others are slaves to their advertisers and nobody wants to sell their products on networks that 'hate America' - so, they try a little bit to hold the admin accountable, but they don't use teeth. Edited December 17, 2009 by Duchess Jack Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bpwallace49 Posted December 17, 2009 Share Posted December 17, 2009 If the media were liberal than there would have been more questions asked in the leadup to the Iraq war. If the media were liberal than we would have no been talking about the 'leadup to war' but rather something involving diplomacy. If the media were liberal than Phil Donahue would not have been fired from MSNBC because they did not want to be the 'anti-war' news channel. If the media were liberal, CNN would not have gone to the Pentagon to get a list of generals who would be great for analysts. If the media were liberal than once the war in Iraq started, they would have kept asking why we went to war ((not that they were in the first place)) rather than reporting on the war itself and gushing over the military tech. If the media were liberal, then nobody would have fallen for the embedding BS. Most TV news is in bed with whatever administration is in charge (except for Fox - they're always lifting the GOP). The others are slaves to their advertisers and nobody wants to sell their products networks that 'hate America' - so, they try a little bit to hold the admin accountable, but they don't use teeth. Extremely well written post! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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