If we secure the border, you will have no reason to vote for immigration reform

[rattsass]

You'll be hearing from our people too.

 

Come on now that was pretty funny!

[CaP'N GRuNGe]

Come on now that was pretty funny!

 

Ah, you were referring to one of your multiple personalities. I see.

[Perchoutofwater]

Feds sue to block Arizona illegal immigrant law

AP

 

By BOB CHRISTIE, Associated Press Writer Bob Christie, Associated Press Writer – 45 mins ago

 

PHOENIX – The U.S. Justice Department on Tuesday filed a lawsuit challenging the constitutionality of Arizona's new law targeting illegal immigrants, setting the stage for a clash between the federal government and the state over the nation's toughest immigration crackdown.

 

The lawsuit filed in U.S. District Court in Phoenix argues that Arizona's law requiring state and local police to question and possibly arrest illegal immigrants during the enforcement of other laws such as traffic violations usurps federal authority.

 

"In our constitutional system, the federal government has pre-eminent authority to regulate immigration matters," the lawsuit says. "This authority derives from the United States Constitution and numerous acts of Congress. The nation's immigration laws reflect a careful and considered balance of national law enforcement, foreign relations, and humanitarian interests."

 

The government is seeking an injunction to delay the July 29 implementation of the law until the case is resolved. It ultimately wants the law declared invalid.

 

The government contends that the Arizona law violates the supremacy clause of the Constitution, a legal theory that says federal laws override state laws. It is already illegal under federal law to be in the country illegally, but Arizona is the first state to make it a state crime and add its own punishment and enforcement tactics.

 

State Sen. Russell Pearce, the principal sponsor of the bill co-sponsored by dozens of fellow Republican legislators, denounced the lawsuit as "absolute insult to the rule of law" as well as to Arizona and its residents.

 

"It's outrageous and it's clear they don't want (immigration) laws enforced. What they want is to continue their non-enforcement policy," Pearce said. "They ignore the damage to America, the cost to our citizens, the deaths" tied to border-related violence.

 

State Rep. Kyrsten Sinema, a Phoenix Democrat who opposes the law, said the suit should help settle questions over what states can do when they don't think federal laws are being adequately enforced.

 

"I hope this galvanizes Congress to gain the moral courage they need to address this (immigration) crisis," Sinema said.

 

Tuesday's action has been expected for weeks. President Barack Obama has called the state law misguided. Supporters say it is a reasonable reaction to federal inaction on immigration.

 

Gov. Jan Brewer's spokesman called the decision to sue "a terribly bad decision."

 

"Arizona obviously has a terrible border security crisis that needs to be addressed, so Gov. Brewer has repeatedly said she would have preferred the resources and attention of the federal government would be focused on that crisis rather than this," spokesman Paul Senseman said.

 

Three of the five Democrats in Arizona's congressional delegation, who are facing tough re-election battles, had also urged Obama not to try to block the law from going into effect.

 

Republican Sens. Jon Kyl and John McCain of Arizona also lashed out at the administration's decision, saying "the American people must wonder whether the Obama Administration is really committed to securing the border when it sues a state that is simply trying to protect its people by enforcing immigration law."

 

The law requires officers, while enforcing other laws, to question a person's immigration status if there's a reasonable suspicion that they are in the country illegally.

 

Arizona passed the law after years of frustration over problems associated with illegal immigration, including drug trafficking and violent kidnappings. The state is the biggest gateway into the U.S. for illegal immigrants, and is home to an estimated 460,000 illegal immigrants.

 

Obama addressed the Arizona law in a speech on immigration reform last week. He touched on one of the major concerns of federal officials, that other states were poised to follow Arizona by crafting their own immigration enforcement laws.

 

"As other states and localities go their own ways, we face the prospect that different rules for immigration will apply in different parts of the country," Obama said. "A patchwork of local immigration rules where we all know one clear national standard is needed."

 

The law makes it a state crime for legal immigrants to not carry their immigration documents and bans day laborers and people who seek their services from blocking traffic on streets.

 

The law also prohibits government agencies from having policies that restrict the enforcement of federal immigration law and lets Arizonans file lawsuits against agencies that hinder immigration enforcement.

 

Arizona State University constitutional law professor Paul Bender said the federal government's involvement throws a lot of weight behind the argument that federal law pre-empts Arizona's measure.

 

"It's important to have the federal government's view of whether state law is inconsistent with federal law, and they're the best people to say that," Bender said.

 

Kris Kobach, the University of Missouri-Kansas City law professor who helped draft the Arizona law, said he's not surprised by the Justice Department's challenge but called it "unprecedented and unnecessary."

 

He noted that the law already is being challenged by the American Civil Liberties Union and other groups opposed to the new statute.

 

"The issue was already teed up in the courts. There's no reason for the Justice Department to get involved. The Justice Department doesn't add anything by bringing their own lawsuit," Kobach said in an interview.

 

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The Obama DOJ is turning into a joke. If I had any respect for Obama and Holder I would have lost it over this, of course after they decided to drop the voter intimidation charges against the black panthers I lost what little I had.

[tazinib1]

Please don't tell me Amnesty is a good thing. Are they going to be held responsible for all the back taxes they have accumulated? Why hell no sir you are a mad man.

 

Amnesty is just an easy way out for the countries elite to keep there nannies, cooks, landscapers, pickers and the whole lot. In many cases, households employ entire FAMILIES of illegals. I could care less. Go through the steps all the rest have gone through over the years to become legal. Enjoy the American dream but you can't have your Red,White and Blue cake and eat it to.

[CaP'N GRuNGe]

Link

 

The Obama DOJ is turning into a joke. If I had any respect for Obama and Holder I would have lost it over this, of course after they decided to drop the voter intimidation charges against the black panthers I lost what little I had.

 

Oh please. There is a real federal versus state power issue here. They are doing exactly what they should be doing. And the courts will ultimately decide.

[tazinib1]

Link

 

The Obama DOJ is turning into a joke. If I had any respect for Obama and Holder I would have lost it over this, of course after they decided to drop the voter intimidation charges against the black panthers I lost what little I had.

 

Florida is next and the public opinion has fastly swayed in favor of the Arizona law. Why do you think Obama is addressing the issue? If anything, Arizona has forced Obama into doing what he promised he would do when he ran for office. Imagine that...holding a politician accountable. Craziness.

[CaP'N GRuNGe]

Florida is next and the public opinion has fastly swayed in favor of the Arizona law. Why do you think Obama is addressing the issue? If anything, Arizona has forced Obama into doing what he promised he would do when he ran for office. Imagine that...holding a politician accountable. Craziness.

 

I can't believe Obama hasn't fixed immigration yet either. All that guy does is play golf. It's not like he had to worry about the execution of two difficult wars, been engaged in massive overhaul of the nation's healthcare system, have had to avert global financial meltdown, prepare for a possible catastrophic global pandemic, and other things of the like in the 18 months he's been in office.

 

Palin 2012

Edited July 6, 2010 by CaP'N GRuNGe

[Perchoutofwater]

I can't believe Obama hasn't fixed immigration yet either. All that guy does is play golf. It's not like he had to worry about the execution of two difficult wars, been engaged in massive overhaul of the nation's healthcare system, have had to avert global financial meltdown, prepare for a possible catastrophic global pandemic, and other things of the like in the 18 months he's been in office.

 

Palin 2012

 

How well has he done any of the things you listed, besides playing golf, which I'm sure he has done well.

[tazinib1]

I can't believe Obama hasn't fixed immigration yet either. All that guy does is play golf. It's not like he had to worry about the execution of two difficult wars, been engaged in massive overhaul of the nation's healthcare system, have had to avert global financial meltdown, prepare for a possible catastrophic global pandemic, and other things of the like in the 18 months he's been in office.

 

Palin 2012

 

 

When you run on a platform of Immigration reform and don't even ADDRESS the issue until almost mid-way through your term, you can see how Joe Public would be alittle annoyed. Yes?

[bushwacked]

When you run on a platform of Immigration reform and don't even ADDRESS the issue until almost mid-way through your term, you can see how Joe Public would be alittle annoyed. Yes?

 

17,057 agents are now assigned to the southwest border, up from 6,315 in 1997. In my book that qualifies as doing something.

Edited July 6, 2010 by bushwacked

[tazinib1]

7,057 agents are now assigned to the southwest border, up from 6,315 in 1997. In my book qualifies as doing something.

 

 

There is a difference between enforcing the border and Immigration reform. You are claiming that Obama is responsible for the uptick in agents to our borders? I think it had alittle more to do with the National Reform and Terrorism Act (increasing manpower at the border from 11,000 to 20,000 by 2010) or Emergency Supplemental Spending Act (additional 500 agents) or DHS FY06 Appropriation Bill (another 1,000 agents) than anything Obama has done:

 

 

 

BTW: Arizona's law is nothing new. I find it hilarious that many California politicians are still calling to boycott Arizona. They seem to forget Proposition 187, passed in 1993:

 

denying benefits to illegal immigrants and criminalizing illegal immigrants in possession of forged green cards, I.D. cards and Social Security Numbers. It also authorized police officers to question non-nationals as to their immigration status and required police and sheriff departments to cooperate and report illegal immigrants to the INS

 

^^Sound familiar??

[westvirginia]

Man, bw, you better go home and get your chapstick dude. All that puckering on the obamessiah arse HAS to be chapping those lips.

[bushwacked]

And when you pull a tosberg/caddyman by doing stuff like this the thread more than likely gets locked.

Edited July 6, 2010 by bushwacked

[gbpfan1231]

And when you pull a tosberg by doing stuff like this the thread more than likely gets locked. Curious, do you think you're "yea boss, good one boss" routine makes you sound smart?

Pot meet Kettle.

[rattsass]

I have a question for all of you that are clamoring for immigration reform (a.k.a. amnesty). If you are willing to offer amnesty to illegal aliens, would you likewise be willing to offer amnesty to all non-violent offenders who are legal U.S. citizens? I mean, if you are ready to be so forgiving to those who are not even citizens of your country, surely you would support amnesty for those legal U.S. citizens, right?

 

I mean you could draw paralells between drug crimes and illegal aliens. Reform proponents claim that the system is broken and it is not realistic to deport millions of illegals. Well. the drug situation is likewise broken. Despite wasting billions of dollars, passing all kinds of laws, the situation still exists. Reform advocates tell us that these are just decent people trying to earn a living for their families. The same could be said of people that sell drugs, or those that steal to provide for their families. I just wonder if all this goodwill and compassion extends to citizens, or it that just reserved for immigrants?

[tosberg34]

And when you pull a tosberg/caddyman by doing stuff like this the thread more than likely gets locked.

 

I would measure to say that YOU have been the result of more locked threads than I. You're so full of yourself it's funny. That laughter you hear is not because everyone is laughing with you.

[bushwacked]

Pot meet Kettle.

 

Yes, I take things so personal and seriously here I have a desperately stupid schitck that involves referring to other huddlers performing anilingus.

[tosberg34]

Yes, I take things so personal and seriously here I have a desperately stupid schitck that involves referring to other huddlers performing anilingus.

 

Now that you know you have a problem, you should be on the road to recovery. One step at a time, bw. One step at a time. First step is apologizing to everyone you've embarrassed with your nonsense posts (including your latest here) on these forums. BTW: I accept your apology.

 

We can be friends now.

Edited July 6, 2010 by tosberg34

[evil_gop_liars]

Yes, I take things so personal and seriously here I have a desperately stupid schitck that involves referring to other huddlers performing anilingus.

 

OMGZ!!1!

[bpwallace49]

Please don't tell me Amnesty is a good thing. Are they going to be held responsible for all the back taxes they have accumulated? Why hell no sir you are a mad man.

 

Amnesty is just an easy way out for the countries elite to keep there nannies, cooks, landscapers, pickers and the whole lot. In many cases, households employ entire FAMILIES of illegals. I could care less. Go through the steps all the rest have gone through over the years to become legal. Enjoy the American dream but you can't have your Red,White and Blue cake and eat it to.

 

Does anyone here seriously support blanket amnesty? If so I sure havent read it yet . . . .

[tazinib1]

Does anyone here seriously support blanket amnesty? If so I sure havent read it yet . . . .

 

 

Don't think so..it was more of a blanket statement than anything my friend.

[bpwallace49]

Don't think so..it was more of a blanket statement than anything my friend.

 

I just dont see how not liking the Arizona law= advocating blanket amnesty And that seems to be the prevaling thought process here.

 

Well . . that and asinine "Obamessiah" cracks . . . .

[tazinib1]

I just dont see how not liking the Arizona law= advocating blanket amnesty And that seems to be the prevaling thought process here.

 

Well . . that and asinine "Obamessiah" cracks . . . .

 

Who's advocating blanket Amnesty? And who doesn't like the ARizona law?

[bpwallace49]

Who's advocating blanket Amnesty? And who doesn't like the ARizona law?

 

Az and perch made it seem that if you didnt support the Arizona law and its intent to secure the border than you are for amnesty earlier in this thread . .

[tazinib1]

Az and perch made it seem that if you didnt support the Arizona law and its intent to secure the border than you are for amnesty earlier in this thread . .

 

 

Ahhhhh. Well I don't think the both are inherently glued together but I can see how somebody could derive to that line of thinking. wait....I guess I have made the same allegation. Not on purpose of course but certainly in this thread. Egad. But hey it is what it is. Usually people that are against the Arizona law are of the same line of thinking that Amnesty is the proper course this country should take. Maybe because they are not intelligently informed? I dunno but it is what it is I suppose.