Oh, No!

[Perchoutofwater]

I don't think it's any of that. I just don't like the perpetuation of falsehood as received truth. Given the unrelenting blare from the right, this nonsense rapidly becomes truth. You only have to look at the fact that a third of Republican supporters think Obama is a Muslim to see the results. I am well aware that there is no chance of turning the tide of blaring ignorance but if only one person realized from my post that the "Obama chick" thing is yet another right wing lie, then it's worth it.

 

William James (1842-1910) The father of modern Psychology "There's nothing so absurd that if you repeat it often enough, people will believe it."

 

I just wish you had done the same when Bush was in office. How is what I'm doing any different than what you and others did when he was the president? BTW, I don't think Obama is a Muslim, and I really wouldn't care one iota if he was. I also don't think that he is Kenyan if that makes you feel any better. I do think he is a horrible president that somehow makes the horrible president that preceded him look better daily.

[redrumjuice]

You only have to look at the fact that a third of Republican supporters think Obama is a Muslim

 

Do you know who Barry Sotero is?

 

Why would someone take a muslim name? Or are you saying barrak hussein isn't a muslim name?

[bpwallace49]

Of course I'm sure if I said the One nation rally was full of socialist and communists and even pointed out that the Communist Party USA was at the rally and given a place to peddle their propaganda by the event organizers, you'd say they really aren't communists. .

 

Hold the phone . . . isnt that what you say about extremists in the TEA party Perch? Y'know, the ones with Hitler mustache posters of Obama?

 

You say they really arent TEA partiers . . right? Every party has its share of wackos . . cant we just stipulate that and move on?

[Savage Beatings]

I think that the anti-Muslim sentiment growing in the U.S. is only going to get a lot worse in the next couple of years, and unfortunately there are a lot of people who seem to WANT exactly that to happen (even many Muslims IMO).

[wiegie]

hmmm, it seems that some people are trying to make Islam more appetizing to the American public: link

[Perchoutofwater]

Hold the phone . . . isnt that what you say about extremists in the TEA party Perch? Y'know, the ones with Hitler mustache posters of Obama?

 

You say they really arent TEA partiers . . right? Every party has its share of wackos . . cant we just stipulate that and move on?

 

Well there is a big difference here. The organizers of the one nation rally set aside a spot of CPUSA to set up a booth and distribute materials. Also, with the TEA party signs, making Obama into Hitler, it turns out that some of the “Tea Party extremists” selected by the press in the past have actually been representatives of Lyndon LaRouche, a perennial candidate for president and convicted felon who usually runs as a Democrat

 

Here read this about how the One Nation Rally was full of socialist and communists. Look at who the event organizers recognized. Even Ed Shultz the MSNBC report who spoke at the thing claimed Van Jones a self admitted communist "is a great patriot."

[BeeR]

All people vote, even incredibly stupid ones.

The last presidential election made that painfully clear. Although McCain becoming Pres had admittedly its worrisome features as well. sigh

 

I don't know, every 4 yrs I find myself going "you're freaking kidding me. THESE are the 2 best choices?'

[Jimmy Neutron]

I'm a little less politically correct than some regarding muslims in general.

 

I will never forget the footage of thousands of people dancing in the steets in the middle east just after 9/11. I'm not convinced that every one of those thousands were "extremists." Some of these people have an interesting inferiority/superiority complex regarding westerners.

 

Part of me wants to simply bomb the bastards back to the stone age, but they already live there.

 

Another part of me unsterstands that there are genuinely good people in the muslim faith. I often wonder why they don't don't speak up and more vocally denounce those trying to hikack their their peaceful faith in the practice of hate and violence.

[redrumjuice]

their peaceful faith

 

I suggest you learn up on islam a bit more before throwing out these bold faced lies.

[moneymakers]

Islam is anti- Christ

 

nuff said

[Ursa Majoris]

Islam is anti- Christ

 

nuff said

I wouldn't normally bother responding to your tripe but how can you not know that Christ is considered one of the prophets of Islam?

 

Numerous titles are given to Jesus in the Qur'an, such as al-Masīḥ ("the messiah; the anointed one" i.e. by means of blessings), although this particular term does not correspond with the meaning given to it by Christians or Jews. Jesus is seen in Islam as a precursor to Muhammad, and is believed by Muslims to have foretold the latter's coming.

[JoJoTheWebToedBoy]

The rise of anti-Muslim sentiment in America has brought with it a wave of largely-unsubstantiated suggestions from conservative media commentators and politicians that America is at risk of falling under the sway of Sharia law.

 

It is amazing what alot of people in this country can be tricked into believing......

[skylive5]

It is amazing what alot of people in this country can be tricked into believing......

 

 

No it isn't.

 

You've been around long enough to know that there are a dozen born every minute. (To paraphrase.)

[redrumjuice]

I wouldn't normally bother responding to your tripe but how can you not know that Christ is considered one of the prophets of Islam?

 

You may want to do some research on your own and not swallow what decapitating, stoning genital mutilation murderers say about Jesus.

 

Islamic writings have much to say about Jesus, however, there is a great deal of difference between the Koran and the Bible relative to Jesus.

 

Recall that Mohammed espoused the concept of monotheism to the point that there was no room for the doctrines of the plurality of the Godhead and the deity of Jesus. The Bible, however, states:

 

“By this we know that we abide in Him, and He in us, because He has given us of His Spirit. And we have seen and testify that the Father has sent the Son as Savior of the world.” I John 4:13-14

 

“I and My Father are one.” John 10:30

 

“Holy Father, keep through Your name those whom You have given Me, that they may be one as We are.” John 17:11

 

The central theme of New Testament Christianity is that Christ as God the Son was crucified as the required payment of sin for all mankind. Christ’s death fulfilled the Old Testament law. The Bible further states that Jesus was buried and then arose from the grave as proof that His sacrificial death was accepted by God the Father as payment for the sins of all mankind.

 

“…And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we beheld His glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father.” John 1:14

 

“…Christ Jesus, who, being in the form of God, did not consider it robbery to be equal with God, but made Himself of no reputation, taking the form of a bondservant, and coming in the likeness of men. And being found in appearance as a man, He humbled Himself and became obedient to the point of death, even the death of the cross.” Philippians 2:5-8

 

“And He, bearing His cross, went out to a place…which is called in Hebrew, Golgotha, where they crucified Him…” John 19:15

 

“Now in the place where He was crucified there was a garden, and in the garden a new tomb in which no one had yet been laid. So there they laid Jesus…” John 19:41-42

“Why do you seek the living among the dead? He is not here, but is risen! Remember how He spoke to you…saying, ‘The Son of Man must be delivered into the hands of sinful men, and be crucified, and the third day rise again.’” Luke 24:6-7

 

The Koran, looking backwards more than 500 years after the above scriptures were written, presents a decidedly different view of Jesus’ deity and sacrificial death.

 

“In blasphemy indeed are those that say that God is Christ the son of Mary…” Surah 5:17

 

“That they said in boast, ‘We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Messenger of Allah’…but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them…for a surety they killed him not…” Surah 4:157-158

 

Islam professes Jesus was a major prophet who was taken alive up to Heaven like Elijah, will return later as a Muslim, will marry and have children, abolish the sanctity of the Cross, kill many Jews, and convert many to Islam. More about that later.

 

The Bible, looking forward, prophesied that subsequent religions would emerge that would deny the sonship and deity of Christ. The following Biblical passages, written 500 years before the Koran reflect the same level of intensity as the Koran on the subject.

 

“Who is…he who denies that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist who denies the Father and the Son. Whoever denies the Son does not have the Father either; he who acknowledges the Son has the Father also.” I John 2:22-23

 

“Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits, whether they are of God; because many false prophets have gone out into the world. By this you know the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is of God, and every spirit that does not confess that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is not of God. And this is the spirit of the Antichrist, which you have heard was coming, and is now already in the world.” I John 4:1-3

 

Because of the sharp differences between the Koran and the Bible relative to who Jesus is, both cannot be right and, therefore, an individual choice must be made. Our constitution allows for that individual choice of religion. The decision process can be facilitated by considering the above words spoken by the Apostle John, i.e. “…test the spirits, whether they are of God…”

[moneymakers]

I wouldn't normally bother responding to your tripe but how can you not know that Christ is considered one of the prophets of Islam?

 

 

From your Link

 

Theology

Islamic texts regard Jesus as a righteous messenger of God, and reject him as being God or the begotten Son of God. This belief, that Jesus is God or Son of God according to Islam, is tantamount to shirk, or the association of partners with God; and thereby a rejection of God's divine oneness (tawhid).[27] A verse from the Qur'an reads:

 

“ “In blasphemy indeed are those that say that God is Christ the son of Mary. Say: "Who then hath the least power against God, if His will were to destroy Christ the son of Mary, his mother, and all every – one that is on the earth? For to God belongeth the dominion of the heavens and the earth, and all that is between. He createth what He pleaseth. For God hath power over all things.”[Qur'an 5:17][28] ”

 

The Christian doctrine of the Trinity is similarly rejected in Islam. Such notions of the divinity of Jesus, Muslims state, resulted from human interpolations of God's revelation. Islam views Jesus as a human like all other prophets, who preached that salvation came through submission to God's will and worshiping God alone. Thus, Jesus is considered in Islam to have been a Muslim, as with all prophets in Islam.[29]

[Trojanmojo]

Millions of blind frightened sheep believe this stuff, though. All people vote, even incredibly stupid ones.

 

+1

[Ursa Majoris]

I know I should know better but here goes anyway..........

 

Islam is anti- Christ

 

nuff said

Here is your original post.

 

I wouldn't normally bother responding to your tripe but how can you not know that Christ is considered one of the prophets of Islam?

My post demonstrates that yours is flat wrong. Christ is not considered the Son of God in Islam but is considered a major prophet, so how can "Islam is anti-christ" be a true statement?

[bpwallace49]

Um . . . you two christian soldiers realize that neither of those two posts contradict that fact that h8tank/redrumjuice posted that "islam is anti-Christ" . . . right?

 

Viewing Christ in a way that differs than the christian version isnt "anti" Christ, but views him in another way.

 

Viewing him as a prophet is hardly "anti-Christ". Now if they portrayed Christ as the devil, then you might be on to something . . . .

[untateve]

From your Link

 

 

“ “In blasphemy indeed are those that say that God is Christ the son of Mary.

 

 

Isn't it blasphemy to say that God is not Christ? I guess it all depends on your particular mythological view.

[SEC=UGA]

Isn't it blasphemy to say that God is not Christ? I guess it all depends on your particular mythological view.

 

I think you are correct.

 

I had an interesting experience while in Turkey over the Christmas Holiday... People had little Christmas trees set up in their homes... I thought to myself, "Wow, these people are just as Christian as I am."

[moneymakers]

Isaiah 7:14

14 Therefore the Lord himself will give you [a] a sign: The virgin will be with child and will give birth to a son, and will call him Immanuel. [c]

 

Immanuel means God with us