Egypt

[bpwallace49]

The death toll is over 100 and counting. Call me a pinko tree hugging hippie, but I don't think that's beautiful in any way, shape or form.

 

You are a pinko tree huggin hippie.

[yo mama]

Democracy is awesome . . . until it isnt in our national self interest.

The best thing about democracy is that everyone gets a vote, which is also the worst thing about democracy.

[MTSuper7]

Good. In the long run, our dependence on foreign oil is a bad thing. And the main reason we stay dependent on foreign oil is that it's cheap.

 

As far as the Egyptians go, good for them. I only wish it had happened in Iran. Perhaps oppressive regimes around the world will take note. Obviously there is tremendous risk in what will evolve to fill the void (assuming Mubarak is removed or steps down) but human beings deserve the freedom of self determination. That's something Americans should understand.

 

I don't see how this is a good thing, period. The current situation sucks, but a government overthrow isn't likely to produce a stable or peaceful way of life in Egypt. Below is an interesting excerpt from Dr. Peter Hammond's new book: SLAVERY, TERRORISM & ISLAM - The Historical Roots and Contemporary Threat. In short, the idea that Muslim Brotherhood would gain power in Egypt is frightening, and the likelihood that they will be anywhere near as diplomatic with the U.S.as Mubarak has been is slim.

 

Islam is not a religion, nor is it a cult. In its fullest form, it is a complete, total, 100% system of life.

 

Islam has religious, legal, political, economic, social, and military components. The religious component is a beard for all of the other components.

 

Islamization begins when there are sufficient Muslims in a country to agitate for their religious privileges.

 

When politically correct, tolerant, and culturally diverse societies agree to Muslim demands for their religious privileges, some of the other components tend to creep in as well.

 

Here’s how it works.

 

As long as the Muslim population remains around or under 2% in any given country, they will be for the most part be regarded as a peace-loving minority, and not as a threat to other citizens. This is the case in:

 

United States — Muslim 0.6%

Australia — Muslim 1.5%

Canada — Muslim 1.9%

China — Muslim 1.8%

Italy — Muslim 1.5%

Norway — Muslim 1.8%

 

At 2% to 5%, they begin to proselytize from other ethnic minorities and disaffected groups, often with major recruiting from the jails and among street gangs. This is happening in:

 

Denmark — Muslim 2%

Germany — Muslim 3.7%

United Kingdom — Muslim 2.7%

Spain — Muslim 4%

Thailand — Muslim 4.6%

 

From 5% on, they exercise an inordinate influence in proportion to their percentage of the population. For example, they will push for the introduction of halal (clean by Islamic standards) food, thereby securing food preparation jobs for Muslims.

 

They will increase pressure on supermarket chains to feature halal on their shelves — along with threats for failure to comply.

 

This is occurring in:

 

France — Muslim 8%

Philippines — Muslim 5%

Sweden — Muslim 5%

Switzerland — Muslim 4.3%

The Netherlands — Muslim 5.5%

Trinidad & Tobago — Muslim 5.8%

 

At this point, they will work to get the ruling government to allow them to rule themselves (within their ghettos) under Sharia, the Islamic Law. The ultimate goal of Islamists is to establish Sharia law over the entire world.

 

When Muslims approach 10% of the population, they tend to increase lawlessness as a means of complaint about their conditions. In Paris , we are already seeing car-burnings.

 

Any non-Muslim action offends Islam, and results in uprisings and threats, such as in Amsterdam , with opposition to Mohammed cartoons and films about Islam. Such tensions are seen daily, particularly in Muslim

sections, in:

 

Guyana — Muslim 10%

India — Muslim 13.4%

Israel — Muslim 16%

Kenya — Muslim 10%

Russia — Muslim 15%

 

After reaching 20% , nations can expect hair-trigger rioting, jihad militia formations, sporadic killings, and the burnings of Christian churches and Jewish synagogues, such as in:

Ethiopia — Muslim 32.8%

 

At 40% , nations experience widespread massacres, chronic terror attacks, and ongoing militia warfare, such as in:

 

Bosnia — Muslim 40%

Chad — Muslim 53.1%

Lebanon — Muslim 59.7%

 

From 60% , nations experience unfettered persecution of non-believers of all other religions (including non-conforming Muslims), sporadic ethnic

cleansing (genocide), use of Sharia Law as a weapon, and Jizya, the tax placed on infidels, such as in:

 

Albania — Muslim 70%

Malaysia — Muslim 60.4%

Qatar — Muslim 77.5%

Sudan — Muslim 70%*

 

After 80% , expect daily intimidation and violent jihad, some State-run ethnic cleansing, and even some genocide, as these nations drive out the infidels, and move toward 100% Muslim, such as has been experienced and in some ways is on-going in:

 

Bangladesh — Muslim 83%

Egypt — Muslim 90%

Gaza — Muslim 98.7%

Indonesia — Muslim 86.1%

Iran — Muslim 98%

Iraq — Muslim 97%

Jordan — Muslim 92%

Morocco — Muslim 98.7%

Pakistan — Muslim 97%

Palestine — Muslim 99%

Syria — Muslim 90%

Tajikistan — Muslim 90%

Turkey — Muslim 99.8%

United Arab Emirates — Muslim 96%

 

100% will usher in the peace of ‘Dar-es-Salaam’ — the Islamic House of Peace. Here there’s supposed to be peace, because everybody is a Muslim, the Madrasses are the only schools, and the Koran is the only word, such as in:

 

Afghanistan — Muslim 100%

Saudi Arabia — Muslim 100%

Somalia — Muslim 100%

Yemen — Muslim 100%

 

Unfortunately, peace is never achieved, as in these 100% states the most radical Muslims intimidate and spew hatred, and satisfy their blood lust by killing less radical Muslims, for a variety of reasons.

 

‘Before I was nine I had learned the basic canon of Arab life. It was me against my brother; me and my brother against our father; my family against my cousins and the clan; the clan against the tribe; the tribe against the world, and all of us against the infidel.’ —

Leon Uris, ‘The Haj’

 

It is important to understand that in some countries, with well under 100% Muslim populations, such as France, the minority Muslim populations live in ghettos,within which they are 100% Muslim, and within which they live by Sharia Law. The national police do not even enter these ghettos. There are no national courts nor schools nor non-Muslim religious facilities. In such situations, Muslims do not integrate into the community at large.

 

The children attend madrasses. They learn only the Koran. To even associate with an infidel is a crime punishable with death. Therefore, in some areas of certain nations, Muslim Imams and extremists exercise more power than the national average would indicate.

 

Today’s 1.5 billion Muslims make up 22% of the world’s population. But their birth rates dwarf the birth rates of Christians, Hindus, Buddhists, and jews, and all other believers. Muslims will exceed 50% of the world’s

population by the end of this century.

[peepinmofo]

The death toll is over 100 and counting. Call me a pinko tree hugging hippie, but I don't think that's beautiful in any way, shape or form.

It isnt the death that he is talking about, its the fact that the people there are doing what they feel they need to do to take their country over.

 

PS - Coming soon to a country near you.

[SEC=UGA]

I don't see how this is a good thing, period. The current situation sucks, but a government overthrow isn't likely to produce a stable or peaceful way of life in Egypt. Below is an interesting excerpt from Dr. Peter Hammond's new book: SLAVERY, TERRORISM & ISLAM - The Historical Roots and Contemporary Threat. In short, the idea that Muslim Brotherhood would gain power in Egypt is frightening, and the likelihood that they will be anywhere near as diplomatic with the U.S.as Mubarak has been is slim.

 

The author of your article may be exaggerating just a bit.

 

I do think, however, that if Mubarak has to step down that the US/Egypt relationship will be greatly weakened.

[yo mama]

I don't see how this is a good thing, period. The current situation sucks, but a government overthrow isn't likely to produce a stable or peaceful way of life in Egypt. Below is an interesting excerpt from Dr. Peter Hammond's new book: SLAVERY, TERRORISM & ISLAM - The Historical Roots and Contemporary Threat. In short, the idea that Muslim Brotherhood would gain power in Egypt is frightening, and the likelihood that they will be anywhere near as diplomatic with the U.S.as Mubarak has been is slim.

People should be able to choose their own rulers - that fundamental liberty is a good thing.

 

See, you're worried about what might happen but bad things are always possible. You can't realistically expect an entire nation to live under perpetual dictatorship because MTSuper7 is scared of what "might" happen. Besides, the Egyptians aren't clamoring for Islamic rule. If anything, their current actions evidence a desire to reject autocratic tyranny - not embrace it.

[Furd]

Anyone else think what's going on over there is beautiful? I'm personally encouraged seeing the people rise against the government. Gives me hope.

 

It depends on who/what replaces the Mubarak regime.

 

U.S.-Egypt relations are good. More importantly, Egypt and Israel get along. Those things are intertwined. Its difficult to imagine these relationships getting any better with a new regime. What happens if the new Egyptian government is not to Israel's liking? I'm not sure, but it ain't going to be good for the US.

 

I'm hoping that Mubarak can ride it out.

[westvirginia]

I don't know if I would go so far as to call it beautiful, but I see nothing wrong with people rising up and throwing off the shackles of oppression. Liberty finds a way! I don't really share the fear-mongering that I've heard by some so far, that we need to be terrified that Muslims will be in control. Well, yeah... it's a Muslim country. Either way Muslims are going to be in control. It will be interesting to watch and see what kind of life they decide to choose for themselves.

 

 

+1, AMEN, brutha!

[moneymakers]

Obama = Jimmy Carter

 

Egypt = Iran

 

nuff said

It aint that hard to figure out.

[caddyman]

Obama = Jimmy Carter

 

Egypt = Iran

 

nuff said

It aint that hard to figure out.

Two more years then until ?= Reagan. Too bad the right does not have anyone to fill Reagan's role.

[SheikYerbuti]

Two more years then until ?= Reagan.

 

And I hope all the American hostages in Egypt get home safe.

 

Oh, wait a minute. . .

[WaterMan]

Two more years then until ?= Reagan. Too bad the right does not have anyone to fill Reagan's role.

 

All they need is for Jeb Bush to act like an ultra conservative with brains.

[MTSuper7]

People should be able to choose their own rulers - that fundamental liberty is a good thing.

 

See, you're worried about what might happen but bad things are always possible. You can't realistically expect an entire nation to live under perpetual dictatorship because MTSuper7 is scared of what "might" happen. Besides, the Egyptians aren't clamoring for Islamic rule. If anything, their current actions evidence a desire to reject autocratic tyranny - not embrace it.

 

I don't think these people should remain oppressed. I just don't see it as all rainbows and unicorns if there is an overthrow. It's entirely possible a democracy will emerge in Egypt. But I feel like it's just as possible to see Islamic law emerge. Either way, the world should be watching this with keen interest.

[yo mama]

I don't think these people should remain oppressed. I just don't see it as all rainbows and unicorns if there is an overthrow. It's entirely possible a democracy will emerge in Egypt. But I feel like it's just as possible to see Islamic law emerge. Either way, the world should be watching this with keen interest.

Agreed. Like I said above - the problem with a democracy is that everyone gets a vote.

[moneymakers]

From a friend

 

As I write at 6:00 A.M. on Tuesday morning in Dallas, tens of thousands of Egyptians are converging on Cairo for a demonstration. They hope to gather a million protesters demanding the removal of President Hosni Mubarak. Today's New York Times is reporting that the Egyptian Army will not use force against these protesters, perhaps the most significant development yet in the week-old movement. What happens next may be critical to the future of Mubarak's government.

 

Why should you care? As we noted yesterday, Egypt's positive relationship with Israel is vital to that country's relations with other Arab nations. And if radical Muslims could gain control of Egypt's government and military, the tenth-largest in the world, the ramifications could be global.

 

Remember that Egypt controls the Suez Canal, through which oil shipments are carried from the Red Sea to the Mediterranean and on to Europe and America. No one knows what would happen to the price of gasoline if these shipments were disrupted or halted.

 

Let's get some more perspective on the nation and its significance. Egypt is one-third the size of the United States, equal to Texas and New Mexico combined. Only about three percent of the land is habitable, however, and is home to nearly all the country's 82 million inhabitants. Cairo, its capital city, is occupied by some 18 million people.

 

The first Egyptians were farmers, appearing in the Nile valley around 6,000 B.C. Their first "pharaoh" (meaning "Great House") was Menes, who unified the country in 3,200 B.C. The Egyptians viewed their pharaohs as gods living on earth. Ancient Egyptians also recognized at least 25 gods and goddesses, many in the form of sacred animals such as the hawk, crocodile and bull. The cat was especially considered to be sacred, so that anyone who killed one, even accidentally, was put to death.

 

Tradition says that St. Mark was the first Christian to evangelize Egypt, winning a Jewish shoemaker named Annianus to Christ in A.D. 45. Christianity was well established in Egypt by A.D. 100., leading to the "Coptic" Church, the largest Christian group in the country. Muslims invaded the country on December 12, 639, transforming Egypt into a Muslim nation. Today the country is approximately 90% Muslim, 10% Coptic Christian.

[moneymakers]

Muslim Brotherhood: ‘Prepare Egyptians for war with Israel'

By YAAKOV LAPPIN

02/01/2011 02:00

 

 

A leading member of the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt told the Arabic-language Iranian news network Al-Alam on Monday that he would like to see the Egyptian people prepare for war against Israel, according to the Hebrew-language business newspaper Calcalist.

 

Muhammad Ghannem reportedly told Al- Alam that the Suez Canal should be closed immediately, and that the flow of gas from Egypt to Israel should cease “in order to bring about the downfall of the Mubarak regime.” He added that “the people should be prepared for war against Israel,” saying the world should understand that “the Egyptian people are prepared for anything to get rid of this regime.”

 

Ghannem praised Egyptian soldiers deployed by President Hosni Mubarak to Egyptian cities, saying they “would not kill their brothers.” He added that Washington was forced to abandon plans to help Mubarak stay in power after “seeing millions head for the streets.”

 

http://www.jpost.com/Headlines/Article.aspx?id=206130

[yo mama]

Mubarak announced he isn't running for reelection.

[TimC]

Mubarak announced he isn't running for reelection.

 

Surprising. He won the last election with over 90% of the vote.

 

Of course, the last vote was:

 

[_] Mubarick

 

[_] Cake

 

[_] Death

 

And we know Mooslims hate cake.

[tazinib1]

I'm embarrassed to say that I am not up to date with what is going on. I have a friend from Saudi Arabia who called me to ask me what my thoughts were and I was ashamed to tell him I didn't have an opinion based on my lack of information. Ugh....guess I should see what all the hub bub is about.

[bpwallace49]

I'm embarrassed to say that I am not up to date with what is going on. I have a friend from Saudi Arabia who called me to ask me what my thoughts were and I was ashamed to tell him I didn't have an opinion based on my lack of information. Ugh....guess I should see what all the hub bub is about.

 

I recommend starting with the history of the pyramids. Fascinating stuff.

[tazinib1]

I recommend starting with the history of the pyramids. Fascinating stuff.

 

 

[Yukon Cornelius]

I recommend starting with the history of the pyramids. Fascinating stuff.

da we all know they are there because of aliens .

[moneymakers]

From a friend

 

 

The uprising is spreading

 

As you know, Egypt's President Hosni Mubarak announced yesterday that he will not run for election again in September. Whose government is next? Today's Newsweek website is reporting that King Abdullah of Jordan has now dismissed his government, naming a new prime minister, and has ordered him to "correct the mistakes of the past."

 

Meanwhile, Yemen's president has summoned his parliament to an emergency session in advance of a national "day of rage" called by opponents for tomorrow. Antigovernment activists in Syria are calling for national demonstrations this weekend. Dozens of Algerian protesters have been injured in clashes with authorities. And police in Sudan have fired tear gas at protesters and beat students on three university campuses.

 

Why is this movement growing? The answer is poverty and oppression. A fifth of Egypt's population lives below the poverty line. When I was there last year we visited Garbage City, one example of the destitution so many face. People in this community pick through Cairo's garbage, looking for something they can sell. They go without water, electricity, and sewage much of the time. They believe that their government has no regard for their problems. Protesters in other Arab nations feel the same way.

 

Political conflict has dominated Egypt for centuries. The nation was predominantly Christian before the Muslim invasion in AD 639. When Saladin became the country's sultan in 1171, he united the Muslim world and defeated the Crusaders in 1187. His military and political achievements shifted the center of the Muslim world to Egypt.

 

After his death, the Turkish Mamelukes became the rulers of Egypt, followed by the Ottomans. Napoleon defeated them in 1798; Muhammad Ali governed the land from 1805-48, restoring it to military and educational prominence. Then British forces captured Cairo in 1882. King Farouk ascended the Egyptian throne in 1936, but he ruled under British dominance.

 

In 1952, a group of army officers overthrew the king, leading to the rise of Gamal Abdel Nasser as President of Egypt in 1954 and the birth of the modern nation. He created a socialist system and led the failed war against Israel in 1967. He was succeeded by Anwar el-Sadat in 1971, who introduced much greater freedom for his people and forged the Camp David accords with Israel in 1978. He was assassinated by Islamic extremists in 1981, leading to the ascension of his Vice-President, Hosni Mubarak.

 

Mr. Mubarak has ruled ever since. Imagine that the attempt to assassinate President Reagan in 1981 had succeeded and George H. W. Bush had ruled our country with an iron fist ever since.

 

We'll continue to monitor this volatile situation tomorrow. In the meantime, no matter how uncertain world circumstances become, remember that Christians are in Jesus' hand and he is in his Father's hand (John 10:28). The psalmist could say of the Lord, "He is my refuge and my fortress, my God, in whom I trust" (Psalm 91:2). Can you?

[Perchoutofwater]

The middle east is in worse shape now than it has been in a long time. I wonder how much of the rioting has to do with the high price of food in those nations? I wonder how much if any or quantitative easing has contributed to that problem. It appears as though both food and oil prices have climbed significantly since we began the quantitative easing. Hungry people are a lot more likely to riot than well fed people.

 

There is no good answer in Egypt. I think the best we can hope for is that Mubarak finish out his term and that there is a peaceful transition of power similar to what we have in this country. More than likely whoever replaces Mubarak will not be nearly as good of a friend to the US or Israel. What problems if any that will arise from that are yet to be seen. It isn't a good situation at all.

 

One thing I did find interesting was that as our government has criticized Mubarak for cutting communications lines, congress is discussing giving the President an internet kill switch. Some have stated that had Mubarak not killed the internet, that there is a high probability that many of the rioters would not have been rioting, but rather writing blogs and discussing the situation on facebook. I don't know how much I'd put in to that, but the internet allows us to blow off steam here. We do it all the time in this very forum. I wonder what our reaction would be under similar circumstances. When people feel they can no longer be heard, even if they are being largely ignored, they tend to get angry. Angry people do things they would not otherwise do. The formation of the TEA Party is a perfect example of this. Most conservatives do not have rallies and protests, but when it became apparent that congress was not listening to them anymore they organized. They organized peacefully, but that is largely due to the fact that by organizing they were being heard. With the aid of the internet they were able to organize peacefully. It gave them an additional outlet to air their frustrations, and outlet that is becoming more and more important, as the bias of the media is becoming more and more evident. It is said the pen is mightier than the sword, and I believe for the most part that is true, but what happens when the government takes away the pen, and all you are left with is a sword?

[WaterMan]

Sweet, so Revelations is about to happen. Israel is about to be surrounded by it's enemies. I better start packing my bags for heaven.