Azazello1313 Posted October 24, 2011 Share Posted October 24, 2011 must be feeling a bit conflicted at the moment Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Square Posted October 24, 2011 Share Posted October 24, 2011 It called for the establishment of “a supranational authority” with worldwide scope and “universal jurisdiction” to guide economic policies and decisions. I'm sure that will go well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage Beatings Posted October 24, 2011 Share Posted October 24, 2011 I ascent to the Church's authority and teachings in matters of faith and morals. Geo-political economics on the other hand I will leave to the experts (like Wiegie and Sarah Palin). When I was in the Seminary it was pretty interesting to study the history of the political swings within the Church. There is a pattern of large swings in politial ideology from Left to Right and back again... over and over. That political battle is even pretty evident on a local level when visiting neighboring parishes within a single Diocese. Oftentimes I have thought that it has been a strength of the Catholic Church to be able to accomodate very differnt political views. But I can do without crap like this being published from the Vatican. It shows that a lot of people in high positions have accepted the premise that the Church needs to use politics to engineer it's vision of social justice. I respectfully disagree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ursa Majoris Posted October 24, 2011 Share Posted October 24, 2011 I see naivete is alive and well and living in Rome: Asked at a news conference if the document could become a manifesto for the movement of the “indignant ones”, who have criticised global economic policies, Cardinal Peter Turkson, head of the Vatican’s Justice and Peace department, said: “The people on Wall Street need to sit down and go through a process of discernment and see whether their role managing the finances of the world is actually serving the interests of humanity and the common good. “We are calling for all these bodies and organisations to sit down and do a little bit of re-thinking.” Good luck with that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaP'N GRuNGe Posted October 24, 2011 Share Posted October 24, 2011 We should install as much power as possible with the Catholic Church. History has shown that they have never ever abused such power. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeeR Posted October 24, 2011 Share Posted October 24, 2011 We should install as much power as possible with the Catholic Church. History has shown that they have never ever abused such power. Actually I find it ironic that they call for this - IMO it's all but cue card for Mr Antichrist to come on down and I don't mean on Price is Right. ..|.. "centralized power," esp economically. God bless ya Vatican but on this matter please shut up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yo mama Posted October 24, 2011 Share Posted October 24, 2011 There's no reason ethics and economics must be mutually exclusive. Steve Jobs talks about that in his bio. Greedy people choose to separate the two merely for their own convenience. There's nothing wrong with condemning that behavior when it contributes to social ills at all levels. The problem isn't going to fix itself and, frankly, I'm glad to see more than just the Occupy Wall Street movement saying it out loud. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ursa Majoris Posted October 25, 2011 Share Posted October 25, 2011 Ironically, I bet most of the Wall Street banker brigade go to church. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yukon Cornelius Posted October 25, 2011 Share Posted October 25, 2011 Ironically, I bet most of the Wall Street banker brigade go to church. when you have no soul, church can fill the void. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azazello1313 Posted October 25, 2011 Author Share Posted October 25, 2011 There's no reason ethics and economics must be mutually exclusive. ethics and economics? seems a little more like religion and politics. or church and state. I tend to think there is good reason for keeping them separate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azazello1313 Posted October 25, 2011 Author Share Posted October 25, 2011 Ironically, I bet most of the Wall Street banker brigade go to church. I can't imagine what you would base that hunch on, but I am pretty certain it is wildly off the mark. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ursa Majoris Posted October 25, 2011 Share Posted October 25, 2011 I can't imagine what you would base that hunch on, but I am pretty certain it is wildly off the mark. I can't imagine what you would base that assertion on but I am pretty certain it is wildly off the mark. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rovers Posted October 25, 2011 Share Posted October 25, 2011 Ironically, I bet most of the Wall Street banker brigade go to church. As a church goer, and a Catholic, I find christians to be the most intolerant judgemental people I have met. Particularly the christian right wingers, the bible beating extremists, typically the so called born agains. They beat on a book that they claim to follow, but apparenntly never even read it. They can quote it, but fail to understand it. For but one example: These idiots like Mel Gibson who hate Jews for killing Christ. In christian doctrine, if Christ had not been killed, all mankind would be unforgiven and go to hell. Jews were chosen according to scripture. They bear the brunt of this misplaced hatred. If not for the sacrafice of Christ, no one can reach heaven, he had to die for the forgiveness of sins. Why hate the people who made salvation possible? It was in the scriptures, it HAD to happen. The christians should actually be grateful to the Jews or they would go to hell and damnation. That is BASIC christian theology. I am in no way saying that the basic christian belief is true or reliable, it's about "faith", but how can any practicing christian hate the Jews for killing Christ? It was that act that opened the doors of heaven for christians. That is the basis for forgiveness. That is basic doctrine, and most christians have no idea. As far as the Vatican goes.... other than feeding the poor and condemning violence of any kind, it should just shut up. Of course, when that is exactly what they did in WW2, they got slammed for not actively resisting the Nazis. The Vatican will always be a target and will always be wrong as there are so many who need to target it for whatever reason is the hot topic this week. The leadership is torn between just being a spititual institution and a political one, and no matter what it does, it will be critisized. Some people need a target to blame things on, and the Vatican is a politically correct target. The good works of the catholic church go unoticed. But, isn't persecution the way that Christ lived his life? I don't find it surpising that he church he founded also gets persecuted. I also do not find it surprising that that same church saves millioins of lives both physically and spiritually evey year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azazello1313 Posted October 25, 2011 Author Share Posted October 25, 2011 I can't imagine what you would base that assertion on but I am pretty certain it is wildly off the mark. why don't you try to support your statement with anything remotely factual. then we'll see who's wildly off the mark. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perchoutofwater Posted October 25, 2011 Share Posted October 25, 2011 why don't you try to support your statement with anything remotely factual. then we'll see who's wildly off the mark. He hasn't been able to do that in at least half a decade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yo mama Posted October 25, 2011 Share Posted October 25, 2011 ethics and economics? seems a little more like religion and politics. or church and state. I tend to think there is good reason for keeping them separate. The church is commenting on ethics and economics. They aren't running for Congress. But way to go supporting free speech! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perchoutofwater Posted October 25, 2011 Share Posted October 25, 2011 Something about a whore and Babylon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azazello1313 Posted October 25, 2011 Author Share Posted October 25, 2011 But way to go supporting free speech! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bushwacked Posted October 25, 2011 Share Posted October 25, 2011 (edited) I respectfully disagree. So, you pounce on every bit of ill-perceived psuedo-Socialism like it's the plague and when your headquarters makes a blatant Socialist statement, you respectfully disagree. How convenient. Religion. Edited October 25, 2011 by bushwacked Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azazello1313 Posted October 25, 2011 Author Share Posted October 25, 2011 So, you pounce on every bit of ill-perceived psuedo-Socialism like it's the plague and when your headquarters makes a blatant Socialist statement, you respectfully disagree. How convenient. Religion. you're certainly the one to be giving lessons on respectful disagreement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage Beatings Posted October 25, 2011 Share Posted October 25, 2011 So, you pounce on every bit of ill-perceived psuedo-Socialism like it's the plague and when your headquarters makes a blatant Socialist statement, you respectfully disagree. How convenient. Religion. Sorry my complete disagreement with this statement by the Vatican doesn't meet with your desired level of outrage. I suppose you think I should condemn my entire faith because some misguided Cardinal is pushing a political view that I disagree with. Tool. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ursa Majoris Posted October 25, 2011 Share Posted October 25, 2011 why don't you try to support your statement with anything remotely factual. then we'll see who's wildly off the mark. Or you could try and support yours. Cuts both ways. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SEC=UGA Posted October 25, 2011 Share Posted October 25, 2011 If people haven't given up on their faith after what seems to be serial child molestation by those in power, this current statement isn't gonna make a dent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bushwacked Posted October 25, 2011 Share Posted October 25, 2011 Sorry my complete disagreement with this statement by the Vatican doesn't meet with your desired level of outrage. I suppose you think I should condemn my entire faith because some misguided Cardinal is pushing a political view that I disagree with. Tool. Meh... chalk it up to me not understanding religion. You openly abhor socialism and despise the soicialist bogeyman. Yet when the organization I assume you invest your lifes foundation on calls for blantant socialistic action you just shrug your shoulders and seemingly dismiss it. I guess I apologize for not understanding the rationality. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azazello1313 Posted October 25, 2011 Author Share Posted October 25, 2011 Or you could try and support yours. Cuts both ways. umm, you are the one who made the assertion. I called BS and asked you to back it up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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