DaFreak Posted November 2, 2015 Author Share Posted November 2, 2015 Okay. For some perspective: Over the course of his career Tony Dorsett averaged a fumble every 32 touches Over the course of his career Eric Dickerson averaged a fumble every 38 touches Over the course of his career Walter Payton averaged a fumble every 44 touches Over the course of his career Barry Sanders averaged a fumble every 75 touches Over the course of his career Marshall Faulk averaged a fumble every 78 touches Some of the greatest running backs of all time, all fumblers. Move on from your labels, his issues in Seattle had nothing to do with fumbling the ball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grits and Shins Posted November 2, 2015 Share Posted November 2, 2015 We all know pre-season stats mean nothing! I believe that whatever was going on in Seattle went deeper then football. I think there was genuine dislike among both sides. It basically became a pissing match. To label him a fumbler is nonsense though. In the overall scheme of the season preseason stats mean nothing. For established veterrans preseason srars mean nothing. For many rookies and players trying to make the cut they only have the preseason to make an impression, and for them their preseason stats matter very much. If you demonstrate the inability to control the ball in the preseason this is not simply ignored, as much as you might like it to be. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobby Brown Posted November 2, 2015 Share Posted November 2, 2015 Move on from your labels, his issues in Seattle had nothing to do with fumbling the ball. Okay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grits and Shins Posted November 2, 2015 Share Posted November 2, 2015 For some perspective: Over the course of his career Tony Dorsett averaged a fumble every 32 touches Over the course of his career Eric Dickerson averaged a fumble every 38 touches Over the course of his career Walter Payton averaged a fumble every 44 touches Over the course of his career Barry Sanders averaged a fumble every 75 touches Over the course of his career Marshall Faulk averaged a fumble every 78 touches Some of the greatest running backs of all time, all fumblers. Move on from your labels, his issues in Seattle had nothing to do with fumbling the ball. Lol ... you are really comparing CMix to these guys? When you have the talent of that list you are given more latitude in regards to fumbling 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avernus Posted November 2, 2015 Share Posted November 2, 2015 (edited) Lol ... you are really comparing CMix to these guys? When you have the talent of that list you are given more latitude in regards to fumbling Why have context anyways? It's better to just butcher what somebody is saying... Edited November 2, 2015 by Avernus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HowboutthemCowboys Posted November 2, 2015 Share Posted November 2, 2015 Lol ... you are really comparing CMix to these guys? no Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grits and Shins Posted November 2, 2015 Share Posted November 2, 2015 Why have context anyways? It's better to just butcher what somebody is saying... Do tell, what context am I missing. There is a discussion about whether or not C-Mix has fumbling issues. And the guy who says he does not pops up a list of all time great RBs indicating that they fumbled at a rate equivalent to the rate expressed for C-Mix. That is a direct comparison of C-Mix to those guys. And unless CMix has the same talent as those guys it is a silly comparison. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HowboutthemCowboys Posted November 2, 2015 Share Posted November 2, 2015 Do tell, what context am I missing. There is a discussion about whether or not C-Mix has fumbling issues. And the guy who says he does not pops up a list of all time great RBs indicating that they fumbled at a rate equivalent to the rate expressed for C-Mix. That is a direct comparison of C-Mix to those guys. And unless CMix has the same talent as those guys it is a silly comparison. you need to get laid or something bro Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tazinib1 Posted November 2, 2015 Share Posted November 2, 2015 you need to get laid or something bro I'm not running through this thread naked now that's for damn sure 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grits and Shins Posted November 2, 2015 Share Posted November 2, 2015 you need to get laid or something bro I'm listening ... where did I get the context wrong? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobby Brown Posted November 2, 2015 Share Posted November 2, 2015 no I got to say. Your hyperfocus on Grits is a little odd. Dafreak was definitely making a comparison (and a pretty clumsy one). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HowboutthemCowboys Posted November 2, 2015 Share Posted November 2, 2015 I read it as the guy posted that some really good rbs over yrs have fumbled alot. I was thinking the same thing actually. Charles twice in one game this yr came to mind. I didn't think he was saying Michael will ever be any good..maybe I skimmed over it. Imo, fumbling has nothing to do with his lack of reps, I don't think he can pass block to save his life..they never ask him to.I think grits' (a Cowboys fan) seeming hatred of all things Dallas is a lil odd Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaFreak Posted November 2, 2015 Author Share Posted November 2, 2015 I got to say. Your hyperfocus on Grits is a little odd. Dafreak was definitely making a comparison (and a pretty clumsy one). The only comparison I was making was that CMix has run the ball exactly 64 times and has fumbled once while many of the great backs of our time have fumbled with much more frequency. I am not saying he is better, equal or worse then those backs, I am saying it is unfair to label the guy a fumbler, or to a greater extent a bust, based on those 64 carries/297 yards/4.6 average. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shorttynaz Posted November 2, 2015 Share Posted November 2, 2015 For some perspective: Over the course of his career Tony Dorsett averaged a fumble every 32 touches Over the course of his career Eric Dickerson averaged a fumble every 38 touches Over the course of his career Walter Payton averaged a fumble every 44 touches Over the course of his career Barry Sanders averaged a fumble every 75 touches Over the course of his career Marshall Faulk averaged a fumble every 78 touches Some of the greatest running backs of all time, all fumblers. Move on from your labels, his issues in Seattle had nothing to do with fumbling the ball. Where's Tiki Barber stand on this list? Is he north or south of 1 fumble for every 10 touches? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobby Brown Posted November 2, 2015 Share Posted November 2, 2015 Derp derp derp... MIchael's inability to hold onto the ball was a major issue in Seattle. His coaches stated it several times and his fumble numbers as a whole are basically an alarming anomaly compared to modern day RBs. If you want to ignore those realities to pretend you're winning an argument; so be it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobby Brown Posted November 2, 2015 Share Posted November 2, 2015 I think grits' (a Cowboys fan) seeming hatred of all things Dallas is a lil odd I understand that. It's kind of a pity that Grits and Cowboyz 1 seem to compound each other instead of cancel each other out. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaFreak Posted November 2, 2015 Author Share Posted November 2, 2015 Where's Tiki Barber stand on this list? Is he north or south of 1 fumble for every 10 touches? 2216 attempts/32 fumbles Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big John Posted November 2, 2015 Share Posted November 2, 2015 Where's Tiki Barber stand on this list? Is he north or south of 1 fumble for every 10 touches? http://www.nfl.com/player/tikibarber/2499533/careerstats 53 fumbles Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shorttynaz Posted November 2, 2015 Share Posted November 2, 2015 2216 attempts/32 fumbles I think you forgot a 0 on the end of 32 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big John Posted November 2, 2015 Share Posted November 2, 2015 2216 attempts/32 fumbles Need to add fumbles as a receiver and returner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaFreak Posted November 2, 2015 Author Share Posted November 2, 2015 MIchael's inability to hold onto the ball was a major issue in Seattle. His coaches stated it several times and his fumble numbers as a whole are basically an alarming anomaly compared to modern day RBs. If you want to ignore those realities to pretend you're winning an argument; so be it. Not trying to win an argument, I just don't think he got a fair shake in Seattle. I respect your position, I just don't agree with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobby Brown Posted November 2, 2015 Share Posted November 2, 2015 Need to add fumbles as a receiver and returner. Yea...for giggles I just double checked one of his other numbers and that didn't check out either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shorttynaz Posted November 2, 2015 Share Posted November 2, 2015 Not trying to win an argument, I just don't think he got a fair shake in Seattle. I respect your position, I just don't agree with it. Hmm - someone who politely agrees to disagree. What has this place become? I missed all the name calling and cat fighting. I wanted to join Taz for some Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaFreak Posted November 3, 2015 Author Share Posted November 3, 2015 From a fantasy perspective McFadden appears to be the lead dog, until... So the question becomes does Randle come back and start splitting carries or will Yea...for giggles I just double checked one of his other numbers and that didn't check out either. I only used rushing attempts, what number didn't check out? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bud29 Posted November 3, 2015 Share Posted November 3, 2015 Hmm - someone who politely agrees to disagree. What has this place become? I missed all the name calling and cat fighting. I wanted to join Taz for some This 672-post marathon is mellowing some of us out, I guess. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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