Pwn7s Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 We're having a debate in our league about the activity of one team. I'm here seeking everyone's opinion about whether this activity is gamesmanship, unethical conduct, or outright collusion. There is a league group chat, and our league uses a $FAAB waiver system. This one team with $0 remaining will sometimes message the whole group about a key free agent, telling them to go out and pick up that player so that his main competition can't. He'll also sometimes list the exact $ amount needed to bid so that his competition can't match. There doesn't seem to be any outright bribery or anything, but some think this talk is going too far. So far only other people still playing for something have acted on these tips, but as more people get knocked out of the playoffs the risk for people out of contention acting on them grows. So what does everyone think? Gamesmanship, unethical behavior, or collusion. Thanks for helping us settle this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loaf Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 (edited) definitely not collusion...that's usually done in secret between two (or more) teams. Edited December 17, 2015 by loaf 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gilthorp Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 Option D: just a blowhard who is letting everyone know how important he is. I don't play with folks like that. If there isn't a fourth option, it's not unethical, just doochery - and it's not collusion. You can say it's gamesmanship, but sleazy. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Inziladun Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 Seems pretty douchey to me, tbh. But that's about it. You can't really stop someone from providing information that's readily available Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Judge Smales Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 I agree with the others here. Guy is just being a <insert favorite descriptor>. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the outlaw Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 (edited) If he's broadcasting the message to the entire group, definitely NOT collusion...if he's conspiring with one or two specific owner in secret, to the detriment of another party, then it would be collusion... Edited December 17, 2015 by the outlaw Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Montana is da Man Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 not collusion, just an d-bag Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boy Named Suh Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 (edited) Yeah, he isn't giving out any information that isn't readibly accessible to everyone. I would say that your real issue is the teams "out of contention" picking up more players. Is there a consolation braket with a payout for the winner? Is it a keeper league? If not, why didn't their rosters lock when they were eliminated? If there is no consolation bracket or keepers, then I would use the same group chat to remind everyone that the ethical thing to do is leave the waiver wire for the teams still playing for something, thanking them for playing this year, and wishing them better luck next year. Edited December 17, 2015 by Boy Named Suh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finn5033 Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 I agree with the others. The guy is just being a d-bag Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevegrab Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 Yeah, he isn't giving out any information that isn't readibly accessible to everyone. I would say that your real issue is the teams "out of contention" picking up more players. Is there a consolation braket with a payout for the winner? Is it a keeper league? If not, why didn't their rosters lock when they were eliminated? If there is no consolation bracket or keepers, then I would use the same group chat to remind everyone that the ethical thing to do is leave the waiver wire for the teams still playing for something, thanking them for playing this year, and wishing them better luck next year. This, unless there is a good reason teams that are out of the playoffs should not be able to grab players from those still competing. Otherwise agree with the consensus, not collusion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nolly Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 By definition it is not collusion, but the main goal is still there. By outwardly asking people to block a single person it is still a form of collusion, just by a different name. The end result is the same and I would treat it as such because it is more than one person purposely targeting another player, regardless if it is in secret or publicly announced. Fantasy football is hard enough to win at without being ganged up on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the outlaw Posted December 17, 2015 Share Posted December 17, 2015 Per the OP, the guy posting the message on the league board has $0 left to bid with, not everyone else...I interpret that everyone else (including his competitors) have bid $ remaining...if its a general public announcement, and not specifically addressed to anyone in particular, giving everyone equal opportunity to bid, how can it be collusion? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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