kdko Posted May 6, 2018 Share Posted May 6, 2018 He should remind people a lot of David Johnson. Got passed up on for being small school talent, but was a RB who could do it all and had multiple TD returns with his breakaway speed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michaelredd9 Posted May 6, 2018 Author Share Posted May 6, 2018 (edited) I'll be avoiding Penny. His situation couldn't be worse. Seattle has a horrible offensive line. He faces competition from Seattle's other running backs. And he has a quarterback that doesn't throw to running backs (no Seattle running back has had more than 37 receptions with Wilson at the helm). Planets will have to align for Penny to prosper this year. Edited May 6, 2018 by michaelredd9 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdko Posted May 7, 2018 Share Posted May 7, 2018 9 hours ago, michaelredd9 said: He faces competition from Seattle's other running backs. Explain. He literally has 0 competition back there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tecmo Posted May 7, 2018 Share Posted May 7, 2018 (edited) To me, Penny doesn't break tackles. I love the acceleration and I wish me popped that jump cut more often. But running through a tackle is not something that happens enough. I question him being a bellcow in a smashmouth offense. I think of him as lightning to someone else's thunder. I can see Carson mixing in here. But the draft capital is significant, the coachspeak is high. It's making me second guess. I just had to throw in my 2 cents in here before someone spends 1.2 on him. Please look at the tackle-breaking! Edited May 7, 2018 by Tecmo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdko Posted May 7, 2018 Share Posted May 7, 2018 (edited) 10 hours ago, Tecmo said: To me, Penny doesn't break tackles. I love the acceleration and I wish me popped that jump cut more often. But running through a tackle is not something that happens enough. I question him being a bellcow in a smashmouth offense. O rly? Edited May 7, 2018 by kdko Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobby Brown Posted May 7, 2018 Share Posted May 7, 2018 2 hours ago, Tecmo said: To me, Penny doesn't break tackles. I love the acceleration and I wish me popped that jump cut more often. But running through a tackle is not something that happens enough. I question him being a bellcow in a smashmouth offense. I think of him as lightning to someone else's thunder. I can see Carson mixing in here. But the draft capital is significant, the coachspeak is high. It's making me second guess. I just had to throw in my 2 cents in here before someone spends 1.2 on him. Please look at the tackle-breaking! According to this article, Penny was the best RB in the draft class for getting yards after contact when hit at or behind the line of scrimmage. https://www.profootballfocus.com/news/draft-san-diego-state-rb-rashaad-penny-a-first-round-talent Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michaelredd9 Posted May 7, 2018 Author Share Posted May 7, 2018 6 hours ago, kdko said: Explain. He literally has 0 competition back there. Chris Carson looked very good last year. He was productive behind a horrible offensive line. He could be serious competition. C.J. Prosise has talent. The only question is if he can stay healthy. He is stiff competition for pass game duties and could even challenge for the lead dog role. J.D. McKissic was effective in his role last year. He won't compete for the main ball carrier but he probably has a niche role carved out in the pass game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tecmo Posted May 7, 2018 Share Posted May 7, 2018 7 hours ago, Bobby Brown said: According to this article, Penny was the best RB in the draft class for getting yards after contact when hit at or behind the line of scrimmage. https://www.profootballfocus.com/news/draft-san-diego-state-rb-rashaad-penny-a-first-round-talent Wow, that seems misleading. That's not what I saw. Maybe contact is simply bumping into a DL shoulder? I like to watch YouTube videos. Just type in 'Rashaad Penny vs'. Spend a few minutes watching him against the big boy defenses. When the defender gets him, it's over for him. He goes down too fast. You can watch a whole game and watch him break zero tackles. I'm not saying he's garbage. He's definitely quick. He's really eating up yardage. Once he gets going, he at least falls forward. He looks very fluid receiving, but at the same time he gets plowed over in pass protection. All backs have pass protection flaws really though. What I am saying is maybe he's lightning to someone else's thunder (Carson). Because Penny is not physical. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdko Posted May 7, 2018 Share Posted May 7, 2018 4 hours ago, michaelredd9 said: Chris Carson looked very good last year. He was productive behind a horrible offensive line. He could be serious competition. C.J. Prosise has talent. The only question is if he can stay healthy. He is stiff competition for pass game duties and could even challenge for the lead dog role. J.D. McKissic was effective in his role last year. He won't compete for the main ball carrier but he probably has a niche role carved out in the pass game. I was beating the drum for Carson last year, but let's be honest...Carson was a product of scarcity. They spent a first round pick on Penny, he's going to get the keys handed to him. Procise and McKissic are also not as talented with the ball in their hands as Penny, I'm not worried about them at all. I just don't understand how you think Penny has competition in the backfield, but you think that Michel doesn't in NE. Burkhead/Hill/White are far more talented competition for touches. Makes me scratch my head. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michaelredd9 Posted May 7, 2018 Author Share Posted May 7, 2018 32 minutes ago, kdko said: I just don't understand how you think Penny has competition in the backfield, but you think that Michel doesn't in NE. Burkhead/Hill/White are far more talented competition for touches. Makes me scratch my head. I said that Michel doesn't have much competition for main ball carrier. Burkhead and White are effective in the pass game but not as rushers. Carson did better running behind a horrible offensive line than Burkhead, Gillislee, and White did running behind a great offensive line. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
byron2112 Posted May 7, 2018 Share Posted May 7, 2018 @packers) 6 - 39 49ers) 20 - 93 @ titans) 11 - 34 colts) 12 - 42 That's Carson's season(first 4 games of the year)... no rushing TD's... I'm just not seeing what there is to get excited about? Look, the Seahawks have been throwing alotta crap against the wall to see what sticks at the position.. nothing has... it seems really clear too me they're tired of that and want some one to bell-cow for them like they had with Lynch. I'm sure Prosise will stick around to give Penny a blow because he can catch the ball and is capable of explosive plays(they also have draft capital invested) .. and if Carson can keep himself outta the whirlpool he might stick too, but him and McKissic are just guys on the rear end of the roster IMO... none of those guys haven't really shown squat. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bobby Brown Posted May 8, 2018 Share Posted May 8, 2018 (edited) 16 hours ago, Tecmo said: Wow, that seems misleading. That's not what I saw. Maybe contact is simply bumping into a DL shoulder? I like to watch YouTube videos. Just type in 'Rashaad Penny vs'. Spend a few minutes watching him against the big boy defenses. When the defender gets him, it's over for him. He goes down too fast. You can watch a whole game and watch him break zero tackles. I'm not saying he's garbage. He's definitely quick. He's really eating up yardage. Once he gets going, he at least falls forward. He looks very fluid receiving, but at the same time he gets plowed over in pass protection. All backs have pass protection flaws really though. What I am saying is maybe he's lightning to someone else's thunder (Carson). Because Penny is not physical. Sounds like you've certainly done some research that I haven't. Finding a way to get yards after initial contact, however, is an attribute that the Hawks admire. I also read that Penny had some pretty good games outside the Mountain West and forced 80 missed tackles in 2017 while gaining more than 1,200 yards after contact. Heck, I was surprised the Hawks didn't trade down again. But apparently they were willing to pick him at 1.18. Edited May 8, 2018 by Bobby Brown Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the lone star Posted May 8, 2018 Share Posted May 8, 2018 He looked good in the Senior Bowl. Still think SEA needs an OL though tbh. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdko Posted May 8, 2018 Share Posted May 8, 2018 7 hours ago, Bobby Brown said: Sounds like you've certainly done some research that I haven't. Finding a way to get yards after initial contact, however, is an attribute that the Hawks admire. I also read that Penny had some pretty good games outside the Mountain West and forced 80 missed tackles in 2017 while gaining more than 1,200 yards after contact. Heck, I was surprised the Hawks didn't trade down again. But apparently they were willing to pick him at 1.18. I dunno, he said his research was youtube videos. I watched most of SDSU's season last year :p 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tazinib1 Posted May 8, 2018 Share Posted May 8, 2018 32 minutes ago, kdko said: I dunno, he said his research was youtube videos. I watched most of SDSU's season last year :p Go AZTECS!! (Daughter is an alumni) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdko Posted May 8, 2018 Share Posted May 8, 2018 Just now, tazinib1 said: Go AZTECS!! (Daughter is an alumni) Yeah buddy! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the lone star Posted May 9, 2018 Share Posted May 9, 2018 He showed off some good receiving skills in the Senior Bowl. I think he will eventually be a part of a committee though tbh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdko Posted May 10, 2018 Share Posted May 10, 2018 3 hours ago, the lone star said: He showed off some good receiving skills in the Senior Bowl. I think he will eventually be a part of a committee though tbh. with 7th round Chris Carson? or career disappointment Procise? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the lone star Posted May 10, 2018 Share Posted May 10, 2018 1 hour ago, kdko said: with 7th round Chris Carson? or career disappointment Procise? Carson and Mike Davis. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tazinib1 Posted May 10, 2018 Share Posted May 10, 2018 5 hours ago, the lone star said: He showed off some good receiving skills in the Senior Bowl. I think he will eventually be a part of a committee though tbh. They all become a part of a committee eventually. Jones is a 3 down back. When he starts getting a reputation for stone hands on easy 3rd down dump offs from Winston, then we might have a problem. Until then, he's a 3 down back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big John Posted May 10, 2018 Share Posted May 10, 2018 31 minutes ago, tazinib1 said: They all become a part of a committee eventually. Jones is a 3 down back. When he starts getting a reputation for stone hands on easy 3rd down dump offs from Winston, then we might have a problem. Until then, he's a 3 down back. What does this have to do with Penny? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tazinib1 Posted May 10, 2018 Share Posted May 10, 2018 2 minutes ago, Big John said: What does this have to do with Penny? Wrong thread Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the lone star Posted May 10, 2018 Share Posted May 10, 2018 39 minutes ago, tazinib1 said: They all become a part of a committee eventually. Jones is a 3 down back. When he starts getting a reputation for stone hands on easy 3rd down dump offs from Winston, then we might have a problem. Until then, he's a 3 down back. That's fair. I just think committees are the way the NFL is going. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the lone star Posted May 10, 2018 Share Posted May 10, 2018 1 hour ago, the lone star said: Carson and Mike Davis. But to be fair, Carson was doing well before injury, and Mike Davis is a nice complementary back to have in the rotation. Has some agility, jukes, and can catch passes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kdko Posted May 10, 2018 Share Posted May 10, 2018 1 hour ago, the lone star said: Carson and Mike Davis. I should have said career disappointment CJ Prosise and Mike Davis. C'mon, you can't be serious in thinking it's going to be a RBBC with them spending a first on him, and saying they're committing to a smashmouth offense. You need a 3 down banger to get a rhythm going. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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