Fatman Posted February 15, 2005 Share Posted February 15, 2005 I remember them having a ton of picks, but I can't remember how they acquired them all. It was a pretty good haul - 12th - Shaun Ellis 13th - John Abraham 18th - Chad Pennington 27th - Anthony Becht Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMD Posted February 15, 2005 Share Posted February 15, 2005 I believe they hired Muck to conduct trading prior to the draft. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whotz Posted February 15, 2005 Share Posted February 15, 2005 I believe they hired Muck to conduct trading prior to the draft. 698877[/snapback] It had something to do with Keyshawn Johnson i think Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
juanruiz13 Posted February 15, 2005 Share Posted February 15, 2005 2000 Draft History, Four First Round Picks The Jets made NFL history when they became the first team to ever make four first round selections in the draft. Using the 12th pick obtained from San Francisco, they chose Tennessee's DE Shaun Ellis and with the 13th pick obtained from Tampa Bay in the Keyshawn Johnson trade, took South Carolina LB John Abraham. With their own 18th pick, they selected Marshall QB Chad Pennington and with the 27th choice, also from the Johnson to Tampa Bay deal, picked TE Anthony Becht from West Virginia. (April 15). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fatman Posted February 15, 2005 Author Share Posted February 15, 2005 It had something to do with Keyshawn Johnson i think 698891[/snapback] 2000 Draft History, Four First Round Picks The Jets made NFL history when they became the first team to ever make four first round selections in the draft. Using the 12th pick obtained from San Francisco, they chose Tennessee's DE Shaun Ellis and with the 13th pick obtained from Tampa Bay in the Keyshawn Johnson trade, took South Carolina LB John Abraham. With their own 18th pick, they selected Marshall QB Chad Pennington and with the 27th choice, also from the Johnson to Tampa Bay deal, picked TE Anthony Becht from West Virginia. (April 15). 698894[/snapback] Thanks guys. One quick question - how did they get the SF pick? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
juanruiz13 Posted February 15, 2005 Share Posted February 15, 2005 http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/..._49erstrade_ap/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fatman Posted February 15, 2005 Author Share Posted February 15, 2005 http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/..._49erstrade_ap/ 698916[/snapback] Thanks again - you are now the default Draft answer man. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duchess Jack Posted February 15, 2005 Share Posted February 15, 2005 ....lot of good it all did them... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Sores Posted February 15, 2005 Share Posted February 15, 2005 (edited) http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/..._49erstrade_ap/ 698916[/snapback] Interesting Mock draft link from the above post....fun to read the comments!? Edited February 15, 2005 by Sores Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duchess Jack Posted February 15, 2005 Share Posted February 15, 2005 Entertaining Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CSmooth Posted February 15, 2005 Share Posted February 15, 2005 Interesting Mock draft link from the above post....fun to read the comments!? 699025[/snapback] This one is great Cleveland Browns 2-14 Courtney Brown DE Penn State Pick: Peter King They are going with the NFL's dream come true in this draft: a good guy who can play. If he could stay on the field for a season that would be amazing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whotz Posted February 15, 2005 Share Posted February 15, 2005 The one about Warrick is also funny. Best player to come out since Deion? Sounds a little like Mel Kipper to me! Washington Redskins Peter Warrick WR Florida St. Pick: Trev Alberts Warrick, to me, bottom line, is the best player to come out since Deion Sanders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
juanruiz13 Posted February 15, 2005 Share Posted February 15, 2005 G-men made a great decision to pass on S. Alexander :doah: 11 New York Giants 7-9 Ron Dayne RB Wisconsin Pick: Pat Kirwan He won't last more than four or five years... but he's a good pick here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainHook Posted February 15, 2005 Share Posted February 15, 2005 (edited) Courtney Brown- injury plagued Peter Warrick- bust (you could see that one coming) Thomas Jones- bust Travis Taylor- bust Ron Dayne- bust Sylvester Morris- injury plagued Erik Flowers- bust Rashard Anderson- bust Deltha O'Neal- bust R. Jay Soward- bust Sebastian Janikowski -OK, but a K in the first round??? Trung Canidate- bust What a stinky draft! Not to mention the guys who underperformed: Rob Morris, Chris Hovan, Anthony Becht, and IMO Chris Samuels. And guess who was drafted in the SIXTH round? Tom Brady, Marc Bulger, Robaire Smith, Dhani Jones, Mike Anderson. Fifth rounders include Clark Haggans, Dante Hall, and Kabeer Gbaja-Biamila. That draft did give the NFL first rounders Jamal Lewis, Brian Urlacher, Shaun Ellis, John Abraham, Chad Pennington, Corey Simon, Plaxico Burress, Julian Peterson, Ahmed Plummer, Shaun Alexander, Keith Bullock, and LaVar Arrington. Edited February 15, 2005 by CaptainHook Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Vatican Hitsquad Posted February 17, 2005 Share Posted February 17, 2005 Sebastian Janikowski -OK, but a K in the first round??? Raider homer comign out here, but... but considering the season before they lost key games, to the Cheifs to boot, because of poor ass FG kicking. Cole Ford was their guy. You might recognize the name as he was recently firing shots at Sigfreid and Roy's house. Janikowski, outside of his off the field drinking and roofie problems, has been a solid, good kicker. Look at the lists of busts in that round, I say the Raiders made a great pick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolv Posted February 17, 2005 Share Posted February 17, 2005 Jury is still out on Thomas Jones, but agree with the rest. The Jets did quite well, considering all the busts in the first round Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainHook Posted February 17, 2005 Share Posted February 17, 2005 (edited) Raider homer comign out here, but... but considering the season before they lost key games, to the Cheifs to boot, because of poor ass FG kicking. Cole Ford was their guy. You might recognize the name as he was recently firing shots at Sigfreid and Roy's house. Janikowski, outside of his off the field drinking and roofie problems, has been a solid, good kicker. Look at the lists of busts in that round, I say the Raiders made a great pick. 701452[/snapback] "Great" pick??? Well, check this out: Janikowski 118-146 on FG's. Long: 55 yards. Touchbacks: 67 In the same draft: 6th round Paul Edinger (Bears): 110/146 on FG's. Long 54 yards. Touchbacks: 11 6th round Neil Rackers (Bengals): 75/108 on FG's. Long 55 yards. Touchbacks: 43 So, do you really think Janikowski is worth the extra touchbacks, considering his salary? What if you could have drafted Edinger later and used the first round pick on one of the following players, all of whom were drafted AFTER Janikowski: Deon Grant S, Mike Brown S, Ian Gold LB, Kenoy Kennedy S, Mike Anderson RB, Chad Clifton OT, Kabeer Gbaja-Biamila DE, Marcus Washington LB, Dante Hall WR, Tom Brady QB, Marc Bulger QB, Cornelius Griffin DT, Dhani Jones LB, Chad Pennington QB, Laveranues Coles WR, Marvel Smith OT, Ahmed Plummer CB, Shaun Alexander RB, Keith Bullock LB, or Robaire Smith DT? I know hindsight is 20/20, but passing on Shaun Alexander? Marcus Washington? Keith Bullock? Chad Pennington? Laveranues Coles? To take a "good" kicker? Horrible pick. Just terrible. And you cannot just gloss over all the off-field problems that Janikowski has had. Edited February 17, 2005 by CaptainHook Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Vatican Hitsquad Posted February 18, 2005 Share Posted February 18, 2005 Look at the lists of busts. He isn't a bust, he's a really good kicker and there's no denying that. So long as a 1st round pick doesn't bomb phenomonally and is still contributing to the team years down the line, then it's a good pick. Just cuz Ray Guy was a punter doens't mean he wasn't worth a #1. Regardless of who was taken after him, and Lavernious Coles is a disapointment outside of 1 season, I'm glad the Raiders took him and just wish he would stop kicking roofies down chicks throats. "Great" pick??? Well, check this out: Janikowski 118-146 on FG's. Long: 55 yards. Touchbacks: 67 In the same draft: 6th round Paul Edinger (Bears): 110/146 on FG's. Long 54 yards. Touchbacks: 11 6th round Neil Rackers (Bengals): 75/108 on FG's. Long 55 yards. Touchbacks: 43 So, do you really think Janikowski is worth the extra touchbacks, considering his salary? What if you could have drafted Edinger later and used the first round pick on one of the following players, all of whom were drafted AFTER Janikowski: Deon Grant S, Mike Brown S, Ian Gold LB, Kenoy Kennedy S, Mike Anderson RB, Chad Clifton OT, Kabeer Gbaja-Biamila DE, Marcus Washington LB, Dante Hall WR, Tom Brady QB, Marc Bulger QB, Cornelius Griffin DT, Dhani Jones LB, Chad Pennington QB, Laveranues Coles WR, Marvel Smith OT, Ahmed Plummer CB, Shaun Alexander RB, Keith Bullock LB, or Robaire Smith DT? I know hindsight is 20/20, but passing on Shaun Alexander? Marcus Washington? Keith Bullock? Chad Pennington? Laveranues Coles? To take a "good" kicker? Horrible pick. Just terrible. And you cannot just gloss over all the off-field problems that Janikowski has had. 701712[/snapback] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fatman Posted February 18, 2005 Author Share Posted February 18, 2005 "Great" pick??? Well, check this out: Janikowski 118-146 on FG's. Long: 55 yards. Touchbacks: 67 In the same draft: 6th round Paul Edinger (Bears): 110/146 on FG's. Long 54 yards. Touchbacks: 11 6th round Neil Rackers (Bengals): 75/108 on FG's. Long 55 yards. Touchbacks: 43 So, do you really think Janikowski is worth the extra touchbacks, considering his salary? What if you could have drafted Edinger later and used the first round pick on one of the following players, all of whom were drafted AFTER Janikowski: Deon Grant S, Mike Brown S, Ian Gold LB, Kenoy Kennedy S, Mike Anderson RB, Chad Clifton OT, Kabeer Gbaja-Biamila DE, Marcus Washington LB, Dante Hall WR, Tom Brady QB, Marc Bulger QB, Cornelius Griffin DT, Dhani Jones LB, Chad Pennington QB, Laveranues Coles WR, Marvel Smith OT, Ahmed Plummer CB, Shaun Alexander RB, Keith Bullock LB, or Robaire Smith DT? I know hindsight is 20/20, but passing on Shaun Alexander? Marcus Washington? Keith Bullock? Chad Pennington? Laveranues Coles? To take a "good" kicker? Horrible pick. Just terrible. And you cannot just gloss over all the off-field problems that Janikowski has had. 701712[/snapback] Yeah, it's still hard to believe - a kicker with the 17th overall pick. Sheesh! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Vatican Hitsquad Posted February 18, 2005 Share Posted February 18, 2005 Yeah, it's still hard to believe - a kicker with the 17th overall pick. Sheesh! 703209[/snapback] Better to take a QB with a huge signing bonus who washes out of the league withing a few years? Or a RB who struggles as a 3 stringer? An injury plagued WR? I'll take the guy who contributes in a position that you were sorely hurting in over "the best percieved player on the board" in anyday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainHook Posted February 19, 2005 Share Posted February 19, 2005 (edited) I'm sorry, but this is the ultimate "homer" thing to say. You telling me you DON'T wish they had taken Pennington or Alexander with that pick? Edited February 19, 2005 by CaptainHook Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Vatican Hitsquad Posted February 20, 2005 Share Posted February 20, 2005 I'm sorry, but this is the ultimate "homer" thing to say. You telling me you DON'T wish they had taken Pennington or Alexander with that pick? 704360[/snapback] I'm saying it wasn't a bad pick ( the jury is still out on Chad and I'm happy with Collins and loved Gannon, our QB at the time of that draft). Were there better picks? Of course there were, but they were a good team at that time that filled a need. His addition lifted them into the playoffs for 3 straight years (AFC CHmapionship game, Snow Job and the Super Bowl ass kicking). And he's still a member of the team, not a trivai question. That's not what I call a bad pick when there are so many multi-million dollar bench warmers in that 1st round. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rovers Posted February 20, 2005 Share Posted February 20, 2005 I'm saying it wasn't a bad pick ( the jury is still out on Chad and I'm happy with Collins and loved Gannon, our QB at the time of that draft). Were there better picks? Of course there were, but they were a good team at that time that filled a need. His addition lifted them into the playoffs for 3 straight years (AFC CHmapionship game, Snow Job and the Super Bowl ass kicking). And he's still a member of the team, not a trivai question. That's not what I call a bad pick when there are so many multi-million dollar bench warmers in that 1st round. 705370[/snapback] So, what you're saying is that if any first round pick isnt a bust, it's a good pick? Not sure I agree with that, I think when you select a first rounder, you do your best to get an impact player, and hope it pans out. I don't count kickers as impact players......unless you are talking about that guy from New England.... but even then, he would not be an impact player if he wasn't on a very good team, either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
broncosn05 Posted February 20, 2005 Share Posted February 20, 2005 Yeah I remember this it was unbelievable. I wouldn't call their selections unbelievable however. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainHook Posted February 20, 2005 Share Posted February 20, 2005 Yeah I remember this it was unbelievable. I wouldn't call their selections unbelievable however. 705534[/snapback] Go back and look at some of the other first round picks listed above. Lots of busts. The Jets got 4 starters, all of whom still contribute. I'd say they did pretty well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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