BS Miscreant Posted July 19, 2010 Share Posted July 19, 2010 Was just doing some homework and a couple of guys came to mind that impressed me on more than one occasion last season. Are there any WRs on that roster that will be worth a draft pick now that Oakland will be fielding a "real" QB? Chaz Schilens and Louis Murphy really had some moments last year in spite of the fact that Russell often couldn't hit guys running wide open. How much better might they be? How about Jacoby Ford? They appear to have a great deal of potential and certainly athleticism to burn. Keeping in mind I'm talking late round picks here... What say you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Go Skins Posted July 19, 2010 Share Posted July 19, 2010 If I had more than 16 rounds, I might take a flier on Heyward-Bey (cut me some slack, I'm a Terp... ) or maybe Schilens, but all my drafts are 16 rounds, so I'm not touching them. They'll probably be there on the WW for me a couple weeks in if they show anything... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Posted July 19, 2010 Share Posted July 19, 2010 For what it's worth, I've taken Oakland off my "Don't Touch" list this year. (I replaced them with Buffalo). The end of the Russell era, a great draft and some lingering exceptional talent have me optimistic. Heyward-Bey and Schillens are worth late round fliers. Zach Miller, M. Bush and McFadden should also be on your radar. Not saying they will over achieve, but you shouldn't be scared of them anymore. Continue to be scared of Chiefs and Bills. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BS Miscreant Posted July 19, 2010 Author Share Posted July 19, 2010 For what it's worth, I've taken Oakland off my "Don't Touch" list this year. The end of the Russell era, a great draft and some lingering exceptional talent have me optimistic. This is the fence I'm currently sitting atop. As bad as they were I still saw them play 3 or 4 times last year and quite often I saw Raider WRs and RBs running open and fat boy just couldn't find them or hit them. Dude was just flat putrid. It can only get better. The question is, how much? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rovers Posted July 19, 2010 Share Posted July 19, 2010 For what it's worth, I've taken Oakland off my "Don't Touch" list this year. (I replaced them with Buffalo). The end of the Russell era, a great draft and some lingering exceptional talent have me optimistic. Heyward-Bey and Schillens are worth late round fliers. Zach Miller, M. Bush and McFadden should also be on your radar. Not saying they will over achieve, but you shouldn't be scared of them anymore. Continue to be scared of Chiefs and Bills. With TO gone, I think Evans might be worth a late round flyer. Spiller is strictly dynasty league material. I'd take Evans over any OAK WR. Having a new mediocre NFL QB will not fix the Raiders. Bush is the only draftable Raider IMO. Maybe some preseason games will make me rethink my position, but I kind of doubt it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BS Miscreant Posted July 19, 2010 Author Share Posted July 19, 2010 Having a new mediocre NFL QB will not fix the Raiders. Bush is the only draftable Raider IMO. Maybe some preseason games will make me rethink my position, but I kind of doubt it. Campbell is certainly no pro-bowler but I think "mediocre" is a bit harsh. He did complete 64% for 3600 and 20 last year and has improved his numbers every season. And we're not talking about a journeyman who's done nothing for 10 years here. He's only been in the league 4 seasons. Not astounding numbers by any stretch but compared with good ole Jamarcus... I think his new WR corps is doing backflips over the prospect of this season. That doesn't mean they'll be any good but they at least know going in that if they work to get open they've got a guy who can get them the ball with some consistency. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jackass Posted July 19, 2010 Share Posted July 19, 2010 Campbell is certainly no pro-bowler but I think "mediocre" is a bit harsh. He did complete 64% for 3600 and 20 last year and has improved his numbers every season. And we're not talking about a journeyman who's done nothing for 10 years here. He's only been in the league 4 seasons. Not astounding numbers by any stretch but compared with good ole Jamarcus... I think his new WR corps is doing backflips over the prospect of this season. That doesn't mean they'll be any good but they at least know going in that if they work to get open they've got a guy who can get them the ball with some consistency. and i thought "mediocre" was a bit generous... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage Beatings Posted July 19, 2010 Share Posted July 19, 2010 As far as the Oakland WR's go, I don't think anyone beyond DHB and Schilens are worthy of a roster spot... and between those two, probably only one of them will really emerge as producing any kind of average FF points for you. Which one that will be is still debatable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronco Billy Posted July 19, 2010 Share Posted July 19, 2010 (edited) DHB would be solid depth with upward potential in almost every league - he ought to be on your radar if he's there when you're looking for a WR3/WR4. OAK is going to have to throw the ball a bit this year with the team they have, and they have a QB capable of completing some passes now. Not great, mind you, but competent. Schilens or Murphy would be guys I'd consider a late round flyer that you know you could cut for a guy who emerges on the WW after the season starts if either guy doesn't pan out. And it wouldn't surprise me in the least to see TO land in OAK before the season starts if neither Schilens or Murphy is capable of stepping up, which is a very real possibility. Edited July 19, 2010 by Bronco Billy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Square Posted July 19, 2010 Share Posted July 19, 2010 I'd think Miller would at least be on the radar? I haven't looked at any of the rankings but he's been a spot starter for me in the past. Did he get an injury or something? I'd figure with how Cooley did in WASH, that the Campbell to Z. Miller connection would have to reasonable for a late round backup TE with upside. I might take a last round flier on Chilenz if he looks good in preseason. Chances are he'd be the first person I drop to pick up a WW guy though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeeR Posted July 19, 2010 Share Posted July 19, 2010 I'm pretty sure no Raider, Bill or Brown will be on my team this year. A few I'd take as backup possibilities, but someone else will pay more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BS Miscreant Posted July 19, 2010 Author Share Posted July 19, 2010 I'd think Miller would at least be on the radar? I haven't looked at any of the rankings but he's been a spot starter for me in the past. Did he get an injury or something? I'd figure with how Cooley did in WASH, that the Campbell to Z. Miller connection would have to reasonable for a late round backup TE with upside. I might take a last round flier on Chilenz if he looks good in preseason. Chances are he'd be the first person I drop to pick up a WW guy though. Just read something yesterday where Miller was excited about working with a guy(Campbell) that is competent, committed and an actual leader. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BS Miscreant Posted July 19, 2010 Author Share Posted July 19, 2010 I only bring him up because I've now seen his name a couple times in this thread. Otherwise he wouldn't be worth mentioning. Heyward-Bey Dude was an absolute dog last year. Couldn't do anything but run in a straight line and didn't always do that well. 9 receptions! 9! I'll say he's got upside alright. Who doesn't after only catching 9 balls? He's not even their 3rd best downfield option. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fantazzle Posted July 19, 2010 Share Posted July 19, 2010 Not really going after any Raiders WRs this year, but think Zach Miller will have a breakout season with Campbell under center. Can he break 1000yds? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Company of Heroes Posted July 19, 2010 Share Posted July 19, 2010 I'm pretty sure no Raider, Bill or Brown will be on my team this year. A few I'd take as backup possibilities, but someone else will pay more. The deal is, some of these guys are decent values at their ADP. Bush and Miller in particular. Schillens and to a lesser extent DHB can be had usually in the last round. I'm tempted to wait on TE just because someone like Miller is falling so low... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
skins09 Posted July 19, 2010 Share Posted July 19, 2010 Watched Campbell in Washington for four years and what he accomplished here was without an offenseive OL. My opinion is that if the Raiders can give him 4 to 5 seconds to find a recevier the W/Rs may be worth a look. He liked Cooley here until he went down so don'f forget the TE there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wally Posted July 19, 2010 Share Posted July 19, 2010 Just looked up Murphy's stats from last year (his rookie year) and they were 35 receptions, 526, yards, and 4 td's, which is respectable, but not spectacular by any means. But then I noticed that he was targete 90 times, which got me curious. So the question I have is: Was he dropping balls? Was Russell throwing him uncatchable balls and overthrowing him when he got wide open deep? Or was it a combination of both? He averaged 15yds per cach and a td every 9 catches, so if he sees that many accurate targets this year and he doesn't have bad a ball-dropping issue, his numbers could be pretty good as a WR2 and great as a WR3. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
keggerz Posted July 19, 2010 Share Posted July 19, 2010 Just looked up Murphy's stats from last year (his rookie year) and they were 35 receptions, 526, yards, and 4 td's, which is respectable, but not spectacular by any means. But then I noticed that he was targete 90 times, which got me curious. So the question I have is: Was he dropping balls? Was Russell throwing him uncatchable balls and overthrowing him when he got wide open deep? Or was it a combination of both? He averaged 15yds per cach and a td every 9 catches, so if he sees that many accurate targets this year and he doesn't have bad a ball-dropping issue, his numbers could be pretty good as a WR2 and great as a WR3. We all know that Jamarcus can't hit the broad side of a barn so 60 or so of those targets probably weren't even meant for Murphy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seahawks21 Posted July 20, 2010 Share Posted July 20, 2010 Yeah, I'm on the Murphy wagon. Not predicting a huge season, but I could see hiim on my bench to start the year. He had a nice little stretch last year. If a QB is going to throw for 3200+ yards, somebody is going to have a decent season. Miller certainly has value. I'm not gonna touch DHB or Chaz, but Murphy could get to 60 catches and 1000 yards, unless I'm missing something. I'm gonna keep an ear open during camp. If it looks like Murphy is going to start, I will probably end up pulling the trigger if somebody else doesn't first. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BS Miscreant Posted July 21, 2010 Author Share Posted July 21, 2010 Just looked up Murphy's stats from last year (his rookie year) and they were 35 receptions, 526, yards, and 4 td's, which is respectable, but not spectacular by any means. But then I noticed that he was targete 90 times, which got me curious. So the question I have is: Was he dropping balls? Was Russell throwing him uncatchable balls and overthrowing him when he got wide open deep? Or was it a combination of both? He averaged 15yds per cach and a td every 9 catches, so if he sees that many accurate targets this year and he doesn't have bad a ball-dropping issue, his numbers could be pretty good as a WR2 and great as a WR3. Just found this. Murphy had 6 drops last year. This certainly isn't a great stat but does explain where the lion's share of the blame fell when looking at 34 recs vs 90 targets. As surprised as the WRs in Oakland probably were when the ball was on target, I'm not shocked that they might have had big drop numbers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Savage Beatings Posted July 21, 2010 Share Posted July 21, 2010 Yeah, I'm on the Murphy wagon. Not predicting a huge season, but I could see hiim on my bench to start the year. He had a nice little stretch last year. If a QB is going to throw for 3200+ yards, somebody is going to have a decent season. Miller certainly has value. I'm not gonna touch DHB or Chaz, but Murphy could get to 60 catches and 1000 yards, unless I'm missing something. I'm gonna keep an ear open during camp. If it looks like Murphy is going to start, I will probably end up pulling the trigger if somebody else doesn't first. It seems to me that indications are before Training Camp starts that Murphy would be the #3 WR on the team behind Schilenz and DHB. He might have had a nice stretch, but he's not going to put up your predicted numbers unless he can somehow leapfrog those other guys on the depth chart. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tazinib1 Posted July 22, 2010 Share Posted July 22, 2010 Zack Miller will be a PPR late round steal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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