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Win Loss records for playoff qualification.


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In our league, we could end up with two teams fighting to make the playoffs. One team would have a record of 6-7, the other 5-6-2. Who should go? Does the extra win trump the two ties? Do the two ties equal a win? Is fantasy football all about winning, not avoiding losing? How do you send a team to the playoffs with less wins than a team not going? Percentage wise they are equal and you would have to go to the tiebreaker which is total points. The team with the less wins would win that tie breaker. Very sticky situation. I know how I feel but want to get other opinions. As commissioner, I want to get this right. Please advise

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In our league, we could end up with two teams fighting to make the playoffs. One team would have a record of 6-7, the other 5-6-2. Who should go? Does the extra win trump the two ties? Do the two ties equal a win? Is fantasy football all about winning, not avoiding losing? How do you send a team to the playoffs with less wins than a team not going? Percentage wise they are equal and you would have to go to the tiebreaker which is total points. The team with the less wins would win that tie breaker. Very sticky situation. I know how I feel but want to get other opinions. As commissioner, I want to get this right. Please advise

I think you need to treat these teams as tied and go from there. All the bit about "it's about winning not avoiding losing" is rhetoric. We have too little control over the outcomes of FF games to play that card.

 

Also, go to decimal scoring and you won't end up with so many ties.

 

Oh, and two ties don't equal a win, but they do equal a win and a loss.

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Percentage wise they are equal and you would have to go to the tiebreaker which is total points.

Answered your own question. Your rules state percentages, then total points. That's what you go with. Your rules say nothing about total number of wins, so that's completely irrelevant.

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We still don't do decimal scoring so we have the occassional tie(s).

 

Our rules have always stated that a tie is equal to one half loss and one half win, so a 6-7 record is considered identical to a 5-6-2 record.

 

If you do not go to decimal scoring, I would modify your rules to make this more clear (stating a tie counts as half win/loss each and using 6-7 = 5-6-2 as an example).

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Like the others said... unless you have something specific in your rules to address it, they're tied and you go to the tiebreakers.

 

yup. 2 ties = 1 win + 1 loss. not 0.99 wins and 1.01 losses. this is definitive unless you have a rule specifically stating that number of wins is the first tiebreaker or something along those lines.

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yup. 2 ties = 1 win + 1 loss. not 0.99 wins and 1.01 losses. this is definitive unless you have a rule specifically stating that number of wins is the first tiebreaker or something along those lines.

I think you'd need to see the verbiage of the rules, because the percentages are not equal. The 6-7 team actually has a >1% beeter percentage than the 5-6-2 team.

 

If there's nothing in your rules to determine how ties are supposed to be counted, then I'm not really sure you can claim that ties should be worth 1/2 a win.... I think that if it says "most wins" or "best record", the 6-7 team gets the nod, as long as verbiage like that is used, and there is no mention of if ties are worth anything.

 

(ETA: Actually, I think that's even more wrong to claim that it's equal to 1 win and 1 loss... How then would you count it if it was only 1 tie?)

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I think you'd need to see the verbiage of the rules, because the percentages are not equal. The 6-7 team actually has a >1% beeter percentage than the 5-6-2 team.

 

If there's nothing in your rules to determine how ties are supposed to be counted, then I'm not really sure you can claim that ties should be worth 1/2 a win.... I think that if it says "most wins" or "best record", the 6-7 team gets the nod, as long as verbiage like that is used, and there is no mention of if ties are worth anything.

No mention of ties would revert to the NFL definition of a tie, which is 1/2 win and 1/2 loss (rule implemented in 1972), so 2 ties is the same as 1 win and 1 loss.

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No mention of ties would revert to the NFL definition of a tie, which is 1/2 win and 1/2 loss (rule implemented in 1972), so 2 ties is the same as 1 win and 1 loss.

Ah gotcha... So glad we went to decimal scoring before we even had to deal with this crap....

 

It obviously would still be helpful to see the verbiage. If it says "best record", then I suppose I agree, but most wins would obviously call for a different ruling of the 6-7 team getting it.

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No mention of ties would revert to the NFL definition of a tie, which is 1/2 win and 1/2 loss (rule implemented in 1972), so 2 ties is the same as 1 win and 1 loss.

 

right, when you calculate winning percentage, each tie counts as .5W +5.L. you don't just discard them. so 6-7 is exactly equal to 5-6-2.

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I think you'd need to see the verbiage of the rules, because the percentages are not equal. The 6-7 team actually has a >1% beeter percentage than the 5-6-2 team.

 

While I think the subsequent posts covered the flaw in this, I am curious as to how you came to the conclusion that the 6-7 team has a better win percentage than the 5-6-2 team?

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While I think the subsequent posts covered the flaw in this, I am curious as to how you came to the conclusion that the 6-7 team has a better win percentage than the 5-6-2 team?

The subsequnet posts after that was where it was mentioned that absent a rule a tie would be counted as it is in the NFL. I incorrectly assumed that absent a rule defining what they're worth, then the ties would not count towards one's record.

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