stevegrab Posted September 25, 2018 Share Posted September 25, 2018 All the latest stories on Bell that I see are talking about how the Steelers could pull the offer and get a compensatory draft pick in 2019 if Bell signs with another team. So what they might want in a trade would be affected by that, meaning the offer needs to be better. PFT article Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dcat Posted September 25, 2018 Share Posted September 25, 2018 6 minutes ago, stevegrab said: All the latest stories on Bell that I see are talking about how the Steelers could pull the offer and get a compensatory draft pick in 2019 if Bell signs with another team. So what they might want in a trade would be affected by that, meaning the offer needs to be better. PFT article On the other hand, what team in it's right mind would trade a first rounder or even a second rounder for a 12-week rental of a good RB who will no doubt be very rusty for a couple of weeks? A team would have to be insane to do that, unless of course there is some secret, wink-wink, long-term deal in place. If a secret, handshake, long-term deal is in place, then sure... just like there was for Alex Smith to Washington and Cousins to Minnesota. Smith to Washington had been in place weeks before it could be "legally" announced and Cousins to Minnesota was a done deal in February, BTW. All that "where is he going?... to the Jets maybe" was a farce. Gil Brandt, The Godfather himself, said so on Serius NFL Network last February when he said ON THE AIR, that the Vikings are going to have an unprecedented blockbuster FA deal that he wasn't at liberty to disclose (this was many weeks before the alleged "actual" Cousins signing). Sure enough, an unprecedented fully guaranteed deal was announced about a month later. The Cousins visit(s) and offer discussions to and with other teams was just for show. So teams do indeed bend these rules.... without exception. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gourdeau Posted September 25, 2018 Author Share Posted September 25, 2018 I think at this point the only way they trade him is in return for a pick and or defensive asset, but again, a team would be crazy, even if there was a wink wink deal in place, how can that team trust Bell isn't gonna go back on that deal. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loaf Posted September 26, 2018 Share Posted September 26, 2018 Isn't Bell sitting out so he doesn't get hurt and ruin his free agency market? Not that sitting out isn't hurting that market enough but someone's gonna sign him after the season's over Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indyrckstar Posted September 26, 2018 Share Posted September 26, 2018 It wouldn't surprise me if he shows up and fakes a hammy. Preserves his body yet get counted for week 10 and on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevegrab Posted September 26, 2018 Share Posted September 26, 2018 1 hour ago, LordOpie said: yes, but I think one of the complaints by fans and everyone involved with the team, including and especially the OL is... why not just say that? What's with the games? Just say he'll report week 10 or whenever requried? And he should have said that before the season, so they knew they'd be without him for that period. Instead of saying I'll report, then not reporting for days, now weeks, now all the verbal jousting. I do wonder how other teams signing him would feel about the holdout, and how can they be sure he doesn't do something like that to them someday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loaf Posted September 26, 2018 Share Posted September 26, 2018 so trade talk is just that, what team is going to sign him ROS if he's preserving himself for next year? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fedaiken Posted September 26, 2018 Share Posted September 26, 2018 I'd love to see him get traded to the Bucs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamesplante11 Posted September 26, 2018 Share Posted September 26, 2018 3 hours ago, LordOpie said: Handshake deal. Even then, I agree, I don't think he risks his body until he signs the new deal. As I suggested a month ago, he's only worth a 2nd pick Who in their right minds would trust Bell on a handshake deal right now? Say he gets traded to TB, and they come up with this handshake deal. I wouldn’t put it past Bell to go to SF and say “Hey, they are offering me this much, beat it and I’m all yours” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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indyrckstar Posted September 30, 2018 Share Posted September 30, 2018 1 hour ago, tazinib1 said: I couldn't click on that link but from my understanding, they want a 2nd round pick AND a good player. IMO, that's a bit too hefty of a price for a guy that isn't even guaranteed to stay on with the new team after the season end. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolverines Fan Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 I wonder what Bell is thinking after Earl Thomas got hurt today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
millworkguy Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 31 minutes ago, LordOpie said: should be thinking... he got paid the rest of the year. Is Bell secure enough to be losing $850k each week? He really isnt losing any money each week, he is passing by the opportunity to earn 850,000 each week. Obviously he and his agent feel that any new deal will make up for that passed opportunity. If he gets a 4-5 year deal, with 45 mill guaranteed then they where right. ( Right now, he would have had a 13.6 mill guarentee) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
millworkguy Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 And I think it's more of a double edged sword right now for the Steelers, teams likely want a conditional deal about him signing long term, and they cant do that right now. The Steelers are not in the driver's seat at the moment, and bell has all the power, where they want to move on from this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
millworkguy Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 (edited) Yes and no, say you make 52k a year and overtime pays 1.5 times your regular pay, did you lose 31,200 by not working overtime every weekend last year? No you didnt lose money... you made your 52k you passed on the opportunity(to work every day of the year to make 83.2k) Edited October 1, 2018 by millworkguy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big John Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 1 minute ago, LordOpie said: so... any guess why PIT wouldn't accept WHATEVER the best offer they get for Bell? Do they really want him for six games? A disgruntled player who might be a negative who definitely ain't playing for them next year? Why not accept a 4th? Or a sandwich? They would receive a 3rd comp pick for losing him in FA, so they want something better than that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
millworkguy Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 I really think the only ones who will lose (by the time this is resolved, and bell gets his deal) its Pittsburgh . I think they dont take a 7th because they are Pittsburgh, dont want to appear to have accepted less then what he is worth (save face with fans) and will not be forced into a bad deal to make bell happy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indyrckstar Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 6 minutes ago, LordOpie said: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opportunity_cost but the discussion of economics is irrelevant. PIT screwed this up. Bell screwed this up. I hope they all lose, somehow. Pitt screwed it up. They low balled the best RB in the league. Now, they have no RB moving forward. Connor is nice story but he isn't close to the level of Bell 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
millworkguy Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 Just now, Big John said: They would receive a 3rd comp pick for losing him in FA, so they want something better than that. Even if he never signs this season? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big John Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 1 minute ago, millworkguy said: Even if he never signs this season? I believe he would become a free agent either way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
millworkguy Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 So, The difference then becomes who gives the pick. As a signing team doesnt lose a pick for signing him, the league awards a comp pick, but to trade for him, you give up a pick, hope he actually shows up to play for you, and if he walks you hope for the 3rd round comp pick (not sure all the criteria- $, furure injury? ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dcat Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 11 hours ago, Big John said: They would receive a 3rd comp pick for losing him in FA, so they want something better than that. maybe. They'd have to make sure they have a net loss in "Qualified UFA's" to be eligible for any comp pick no matter how much some team gives to Bell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevegrab Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 11 hours ago, LordOpie said: so... any guess why PIT wouldn't accept WHATEVER the best offer they get for Bell? Do they really want him for six games? A disgruntled player who might be a negative who definitely ain't playing for them next year? Why not accept a 4th? Or a sandwich? What kind of sandwich? Better be something really good. PS Great opportunity cost link, that is lost money you could have had. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevegrab Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 2 minutes ago, Dcat said: maybe. They'd have to make sure they have a net loss in "Qualified UFA's" to be eligible for any comp pick no matter how much some team gives to Bell. That's what I was getting in reading about this whole think with compensatory picks and free agents, hard to say they'd get one for sure without knowing who PIT signs. Unless they can manipulate the system to make sure they are getting a pick. They're not going to trade him for some low ball offer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jamesplante11 Posted October 1, 2018 Share Posted October 1, 2018 (edited) Bell chimes in on the Thomas injury Edited October 1, 2018 by jamesplante11 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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