Avernus Posted August 3, 2005 Author Share Posted August 3, 2005 They had two backs who beat out Jones... and a year later, Tampa drafted a new back to replace both of them! That puts Jones 4 deep to Tampa's rookie... 908523[/snapback] no...it was his 1st year while the other backs were in the system at least 1 full year longer than he was... why sit Pittman who already knew the system...along with Alstott and Garner who was under the same system in philly?... on paper, your argument sounds good...but only when you take out all the tangibles that fall into place when joining a football team... The Bucs sucked that year and they ended up dumping alot of talent due to cap restrictions and Jones (who had a strong finishing that year) was let go as well as Lynch and Sapp... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
darin3 Posted August 3, 2005 Share Posted August 3, 2005 (edited) it's Benson's job to lose. If the Bears weren't a young, bad team, they could say they are trying to play the best available player and giving the team the best chance to win. Since they are a young, bad team, they want Benson to get good as soon as possible to give some hope for the future of this franchise. At this point, the Bears need to create some excitement within the team, rookies do that quite nicely. 905580[/snapback] Funny coming from a Seahawks knob-slobber. Edit: I might be in the wrong here... it may have been Seahawks37 that started that UT-like "I love the Seahawks" thread. Edited August 3, 2005 by darin3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avernus Posted August 3, 2005 Author Share Posted August 3, 2005 Funny coming from a Seahawks knob-slobber. 908891[/snapback] plus, the bears arent a bad, young team...they are young...and they have all the tools to win that iffy division.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AtomicCEO Posted August 3, 2005 Share Posted August 3, 2005 (edited) no...it was his 1st year while the other backs were in the system at least 1 full year longer than he was... why sit Pittman who already knew the system...along with Alstott and Garner who was under the same system in philly?... on paper, your argument sounds good...but only when you take out all the tangibles that fall into place when joining a football team... The Bucs sucked that year and they ended up dumping alot of talent due to cap restrictions and Jones (who had a strong finishing that year) was let go as well as Lynch and Sapp... 908881[/snapback] Meh. He couldn't beat out Pittman or Shipp in Arizona... he couldn't take the job in Tampa... and I don't think he'll hold a job in Chicago. I remember thinking that it was really Jones's time to shine way back when I drafted him in 2000. 2000 - couldn't take the job from Pittman 2001 - couldn't take the job from Pittman 2002 - lost the job to Marcel Shipp 2003 - STILL couldn't take the job from Pittman 2004 - 4.0 ypc average, only 7 TDs, didn't break 1000 yards. I don't see it. After 5 years of high hopes... maybe it's time to agree with the coaches... he doesn't deserve a starting job. I'm sure he's a very capable back, but he doesn't have anything that will set him apart from James Jackson, Tyrone Wheatley, Lamar Smith, Kevin Faulk, or any of the other backs who were capable of putting up around 1000 yards simply because you gave them enough carries. Edited August 3, 2005 by AtomicCEO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avernus Posted August 3, 2005 Author Share Posted August 3, 2005 Meh. He couldn't beat out Pittman or Shipp in Arizona... he couldn't take the job in Tampa... and I don't think he'll hold a job in Chicago. I remember thinking that it was really Jones's time to shine way back when I drafted him in 2000. 2000 - couldn't take the job from Pittman 2001 - couldn't take the job from Pittman 2002 - lost the job to Marcel Shipp 2003 - STILL couldn't take the job from Pittman 2004 - 4.0 ypc average, only 7 TDs, didn't break 1000 yards. I don't see it. After 5 years of high hopes... maybe it's time to agree with the coaches... he doesn't deserve a starting job. I'm sure he's a very capable back, but he doesn't have anything that will set him apart from James Jackson, Tyrone Wheatley, Lamar Smith, Kevin Faulk, or any of the other backs who were capable of putting up around 1000 yards simply because you gave them enough carries. 908931[/snapback] you're entitled to your opinion...you're looking at his stats from one perspective...and I'm looking at them in another way... earlier in his career...he sucked, he was immature...I even said he didn't stand a chance in making it in the NFL... and even last year...they added 2 new OLinemen, had 0 WR's and a young QB who got hurt after 3 games...did you see the QB's playing last year?... Jones is more of a playmaker who can catch the ball and do things...Benson is that back that can just run it up the gut if the offense isn't moving...so, they could have used Benson last year when Grossman went down... this year, they could use either back, pending on which style they'd like to go with...especially with the 2 pro bowl OLinemen they added last year having a full year under their belts together and the offense healthy again... again, I've just somehow kept track of each situation that Thomas Jones was in...from the immaturity..to when he had a restricted blood vessel in his chest or something to that effect back in 2002 and then 2003 where he shined when he got his chance...but the FO preferred Pittman and Alstott... now, if Benson has trouble picking up the offense or seeing the holes...I think Jones can keep him on the bench for most of the season...likely half....unless they are pushing for a playoff spot and Jones is just ripping apart opposing defenses which is not unlikely...but it's likely....not likely Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NAUgrad Posted August 3, 2005 Share Posted August 3, 2005 You might be right about Jones, but I can't remember the last decent RB in Arizona, including Shipp. So I'm not sure I look to deep into his stint in Arizona. I know he didn't beat out anyone in Tampa, but when he finally got his chance, he played really well. Last year, he was the entire offense. They had less than no QB last year which clearly hurt his production. I still think he can produce, but maybe I'm wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avernus Posted August 3, 2005 Author Share Posted August 3, 2005 You might be right about Jones, but I can't remember the last decent RB in Arizona, including Shipp. So I'm not sure I look to deep into his stint in Arizona. I know he didn't beat out anyone in Tampa, but when he finally got his chance, he played really well. Last year, he was the entire offense. They had less than no QB last year which clearly hurt his production. I still think he can produce, but maybe I'm wrong. 908971[/snapback] I should have just said what you just said Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gilthorp Posted August 3, 2005 Share Posted August 3, 2005 Look, there's no doubt that Thomas Jones can produce, and say what you will about his training wheel stints with ARZ and TB, but that's what they were...maturing getting a bit thicker (because this kid is cut) and learning how to be a man. But, there's also no doubt that Thomas Jones can not produce for an entire length of an NFL season. He is not an every down, every game back for 16 games. Period. If you want to build a team that has consistency over several seasons, and you're dedicated to the run, you have to have that type of back. I'm hoping Cedric Benson becomes one of those types. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AtomicCEO Posted August 3, 2005 Share Posted August 3, 2005 you're entitled to your opinion...908956[/snapback] wanna hug? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avernus Posted August 3, 2005 Author Share Posted August 3, 2005 wanna hug? 909060[/snapback] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big John Posted August 3, 2005 Share Posted August 3, 2005 Funny coming from a Seahawks knob-slobber. Edit: I might be in the wrong here... it may have been Seahawks37 that started that UT-like "I love the Seahawks" thread. 908891[/snapback] 37 is the blind-a$$ homer, 21 is a more realistic fan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big John Posted August 3, 2005 Share Posted August 3, 2005 909109[/snapback] Be weary of his stinkfinger during the hug. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avernus Posted August 4, 2005 Author Share Posted August 4, 2005 Be weary of his stinkfinger during the hug. 909217[/snapback] I thought I smelled something fishy....but it's way worse than that.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davehb1 Posted August 4, 2005 Share Posted August 4, 2005 (edited) I don't think the Bears will be in too much of a hurry to sign Benson. At the very worse they can showcase Jones in a game or 2 and try to raise his worth in a possible trade. Jones is a good RB, he proved that last year putting up respectable #'s on a team with a crippled defense and NO passing game whatsoever. Chicago's biggest need is finding a veteran QB, because if Grossman goes down again - it doesn't matter who the RB is, Benson or Jones, either of them will have a horrible year. Best case scenario : Sign Benson, Trade Jones. Edited August 4, 2005 by davehb1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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