Which Vick shows up today?

[Big Score 1]

The keys to the Falcons loss / Ravens win yesterday.

 

A.) Ravens return specialist B.J. Sams had 6 returns in the game (3 punts, 3 kickoffs) and averaged 35 yards per return.

 

B.) Falcons running backs had 18 carries for 54 yards - a blistering 3.0 YPC.

 

C.) It was a one possession game going into the fourth quarter against the Ravens. That was until Jamal Lewis & Co. ripped off a 15 play, 87 yard TD-scoring drive that gobbled up over 8 minutes of clock and the Falcons were the first defense I've seen all year that made Jamal Lewis look like it was circa 2003.

 

D.) Knapp's play calling.

 

Falcons went for it on 4th and inches from their own 40. I didn't mind that decision, but Knapp's play call? Run it up the middle of the Ravens Defense with 180 lb Dunn. Lost a couple yards. Brilliant!

 

Another excellent play call by Knapp. 3rd and 13 in Ravens territory and they call a run. Lost 5 yards and got knocked out of FG range. Brilliant!

 

Yet another excellent play call by Knapp. 3rd & Goal from the 3, Knapp calls for a fade/jump ball to the backup TE who's double covered, instead of either running Vick, or at least throwing a higher percentage pass to Crumpler/quick slant to a WR. Brilliant!

 

E.) What about Vick? He was 11/21 (52% and if 2 drops don't occur {not counting the difficult Crump TD catch as one of those two drops} he completes 13 at 61%). He didn't turn the ball over, and chipped in 6 rushes for 54 yards. He should have thrown a better ball to Crump. Vick definitely lead him too far.

 

So what did other QB's do yesterday?

 

Favre;

It was Favre who struggled first, bouncing a pass to an open Greg Jennings on the opening play.

 

He continued to misfire as the half wore, overthrowing an open Jennings on a third-down play that would have gone a long distance and missing Jennings again on a fade route down the sideline.

 

Favre, who completed 5 of 15 passes for 73 yards - the fewest completions of any game he has started

 

Jake "The Fake" Plummer;

 

PASSING 	   CP/AT YDS TD INT J. Plummer 13/28 183  0  1

 

Plummer really did have a TD, though it doesn't show up in the above Box Score. The pick he threw was returned for a San Diego TD.

 

Bulger;

 

PASSING 	  CP/AT YDS TD INT M. Bulger 19/34 142  0  1

 

 

So why, with a plethora of sub par QB performances to choose from (check out Grossman's, or Pennington's play for that matter), would Blitz feel the need to start a singular Vick bashing thread?

 

Could it be his blind & irrational Vick hate?

 

To be honest, regardless of how Vick preforms, I don't see the Falcons making the playoffs this year.

 

Too many injuries to their D. Both of their starting Defensive Ends, decimated Secondary & a hobbled Hartwell is not a recipe for success.

[Grits and Shins]

The keys to the Falcons loss / Ravens win yesterday.

 

A.) Ravens return specialist B.J. Sams had 6 returns in the game (3 punts, 3 kickoffs) and averaged 35 yards per return.

 

B.) Falcons running backs had 18 carries for 54 yards - a blistering 3.0 YPC.

 

C.) It was a one possession game going into the fourth quarter against the Ravens. That was until Jamal Lewis & Co. ripped off a 15 play, 87 yard TD-scoring drive that gobbled up over 8 minutes of clock and the Falcons were the first defense I've seen all year that made Jamal Lewis look like it was circa 2003.

 

D.) Knapp's play calling.

 

Falcons went for it on 4th and inches from their own 40. I didn't mind that decision, but Knapp's play call? Run it up the middle of the Ravens Defense with 180 lb Dunn. Lost a couple yards. Brilliant!

 

Another excellent play call by Knapp. 3rd and 13 in Ravens territory and they call a run. Lost 5 yards and got knocked out of FG range. Brilliant!

 

Yet another excellent play call by Knapp. 3rd & Goal from the 3, Knapp calls for a fade/jump ball to the backup TE who's double covered, instead of either running Vick, or at least throwing a higher percentage pass to Crumpler/quick slant to a WR. Brilliant!

 

E.) What about Vick? He was 11/21 (52% and if 2 drops don't occur {not counting the difficult Crump TD catch as one of those two drops} he completes 13 at 61%). He didn't turn the ball over, and chipped in 6 rushes for 54 yards. He should have thrown a better ball to Crump. Vick definitely lead him too far.

 

So what did other QB's do yesterday?

 

Favre;

Jake "The Fake" Plummer;

 

PASSING 	   CP/AT YDS TD INT J. Plummer 13/28 183  0  1

 

Plummer really did have a TD, though it doesn't show up in the above Box Score. The pick he threw was returned for a San Diego TD.

 

Bulger;

 

PASSING 	  CP/AT YDS TD INT M. Bulger 19/34 142  0  1

 

 

So why, with a plethora of sub par QB performances to choose from (check out Grossman's, or Pennington's play for that matter), would Blitz feel the need to start a singular Vick bashing thread?

 

Could it be his blind & irrational Vick hate?

 

To be honest, regardless of how Vick preforms, I don't see the Falcons making the playoffs this year.

 

Too many injuries to their D. Both of their starting Defensive Ends, decimated Secondary & a hobbled Hartwell is not a recipe for success.

 

 

 

It is always not Vick's fault

 

[Big Score 1]

 

It is always not Vick's fault

 

 

Alzhiemers effecting your reading comprehension skills now too?

E.) What about Vick? He was 11/21 (52% and if 2 drops don't occur {not counting the difficult Crump TD catch as one of those two drops} he completes 13 at 61%). He didn't turn the ball over, and chipped in 6 rushes for 54 yards. He should have thrown a better ball to Crump. Vick definitely lead him too far.

 

But what always cracks me up to no end is that according to you, it always is Vick's fault

 

Oh wait ... I didn't watch every single play of the Atlanta game ... so I can not make a qualified judgement.

 

I honestly think this was the smartest post you've made in this entire thread.

 

Seriously though Blitz, with all of the bad games by various QB's yesterday to choose from, why did you decide to start a singular Vick bashing thread?

 

Also, I've asked you several times now, but for whatever reason, you seem to evade the question.

 

What did you think of Vick's picture perfect, flick of the wrist, 49 yard bomb to White?

[Grits and Shins]

Alzhiemers effecting your reading comprehension skills now too?

 

 

But what always cracks me up to no end is that according to you, it always is Vick's fault

 

I honestly think this was the smartest post you've made in this entire thread.

 

Seriously though Blitz, with all of the bad games by various QB's yesterday to choose from, why did you decide to start a singular Vick bashing thread?

 

Also, I've asked you several times now, but for whatever reason, you seem to evade the question.

 

What did you think of Vick's picture perfect, flick of the wrist, 49 yard bomb to White?

 

 

I don't see Huddlers worshipping daily at the altars of Favre, Plummer and Bulger.

 

Favre is certainly on his down swing as an NFL QB but I can't believe that you would argue that Favre wasn't a top notch NFL QB in his day (and he has a SB ring too).

 

Plummer is as he has always been ... inconsistent and prone to mistake laden games. I can see why you would want to compare him to Vick. You will also notice that Denver attempted to address their deficiency at QB in the last draft ... to bad Atlanta didn't.

 

Bulger has many more good games under his belt than Vick will ever have.

 

As to Vick's "picture perfect ... blah blah blah" ... I must admit I have a hard time seeing a cherry in a pile of manure.

Edited November 20, 2006 by Grits and Shins

[Big Score 1]

I don't see Huddlers worshipping daily at the altars of Favre, Plummer and Bulger.

Oh! I get it now. Because there are people here at the Huddle who happen to like Vick, you have decided it is your mission in life to start Vick bashing threads.

And apparently you've missed all the Favre knob slobbering threads over the years.

You're a sad little man, aren't you Blitz.

Favre is certainly on his down swing as an NFL QB but I can't believe that you would argue that Favre wasn't a top notch NFL QB in his day (and he has a SB ring too).

Pesky Alzhiemers kicking in again huh Blitz?

Don't remember arguing that. Can you find that post for me please

Plummer is as he has always been ... inconsistent and prone to mistake laden games. I can see why you would want to compare him to Vick.

Man that Alzhiemers is really messing with you today, huh Blitz?

Don't think I compared them. Pretty sure I simply asked why, with a plethora of QB's having crappy games, you decided to start one thread about one QB, who didn't even have the worst of game?

Bulger has many more good games under his belt than Vick will ever have.

Gee...I wonder if Bulger's stats have anything to do with Holt, Bruce, Faulk & now SJax & having played for most of his career in the mad Mike Martz offense.

As to Vick's "picture perfect ... blah blah blah" ... I must admit I have a hard time seeing a cherry in a pile of manure.

 

Typical blind Vick hater.

Dismiss the good & pretend it didn't happen.

 

But keep up the Blitz. Your blind Vick hate is high comedy

[Grits and Shins]

Oh! I get it now. Because there are people here at the Huddle who happen to like Vick, you have decided it is your mission in life to start Vick bashing threads.

And apparently you've missed all the Favre knob slobbering threads over the years.

You're a sad little man, aren't you Blitz.

 

Pesky Alzhiemers kicking in again huh Blitz?

Don't remember arguing that. Can you find that post for me please

 

Man that Alzhiemers is really messing with you today, huh Blitz?

Don't think I compared them. Pretty sure I simply asked why, with a plethora of QB's having crappy games, you decided to start one thread about one QB, who didn't even have the worst of game?

 

Gee...I wonder if Bulger's stats have anything to do with Holt, Bruce, Faulk & now SJax & having played for most of his career in the mad Mike Martz offense.

 

Typical blind Vick hater.

Dismiss the good & pretend it didn't happen.

 

But keep up the Blitz. Your blind Vick hate is high comedy

 

 

Here's the thing ... "all the Favre slobbering fans" had an actual QB to "slobber over". They aren't here now because they realize that Favre is not as good as he once was. No the only "slobbering" I see daily is all those blind Vick lovers.

 

You asked why I brought up Vick and wondered where the threads on Favre, Plummer and Bulger were. By definition you are comparing Vick to these QBs.

 

I can just see your Vick shrine at your house ...

[Big Score 1]

Here's the thing ... "all the Favre slobbering fans" had an actual QB to "slobber over". They aren't here now because they realize that Favre is not as good as he once was. No the only "slobbering" I see daily is all those blind Vick lovers.

You're just dying for the pharmacuetical companies to invent something for your Alzhiemers, aren't you Blitz?

You see Daily Vick slobbering threads?

All I see are weekly Vick bashing threads...from you

You asked why I brought up Vick and wondered where the threads on Favre, Plummer and Bulger were. By definition you are comparing Vick to these QBs.

Dang that Alzhiemers is scrambling your brain

I know it's difficult for you to understand, but I was simply asking you why you would start a thread bashing Vick, when a ton of QB's had far worse games this weeked?

Only you, with your blind irrational Vick hate, could somehow twist that into being a comparrison of QB's.

I can just see your Vick shrine at your house ...

 

What I can see down in your dank, dark basement, are the lit Black candels, upside down cross with Vick on it, little Vick Voo Doo dolls with pins sticking out & you mumbling anti Vick chants while swaying back & forth in a dirty black hooded robe.

[Grits and Shins]

In addition "Which Vick shows up today" was the topic of conversation on the Fox pre-game show.

 

As apparently you and other Vick apologists seem place lots of emphasis on what those guys on television have to say I thought I would bring their discussion to this forum. YOU (BS1) told me that all those guys said Vick was a great NFL QB.

 

Yet what I heard this Sunday was comments like "Just when I thought Vick had finally figured it out" and "I have no clue which Vick will show up today".

 

So it seems to me like there is a small cluster of die hard Vick fans, like yourself (BS1), that simply fail to recognize that Vick is just not that good. You continue to spout how the reason Vicks sucks has nothing to do with his ability as a QB but it is everybody else's fault ... you specifically have blamed all of the following for Vick's failure:

 

1. Bad coaching / horrible play calling (then on the other hand you say the offense is designed specifically for Vick's strength as a runner)

2. Bad offensive line

3. Bad defense

4. Lack of wide receivers

5. Dropped balls

6. Hard schedule

 

With all those excuses I could be a great QB too.

 

Vick couldn't carry Romo's jock ... hell, he couldn't carry Quincy Carter's jock

Edited November 20, 2006 by Grits and Shins

[Big Score 1]

In addition "Which Vick shows up today" was the topic of conversation on the Fox pre-game show.

 

As apparently you and other Vick apologists seem place lots of emphasis on what those guys on television have to say I thought I would bring their discussion to this forum. YOU (BS1) told me that all those guys said Vick was a great NFL QB.

 

Yet what I heard this Sunday was comments like "Just when I thought Vick had finally figured it out" and "I have no clue which Vick will show up today".

 

So it seems to me like there is a small cluster of die hard Vick fans, like yourself (BS1), that simply fail to recognize that Vick is just not that good. You continue to spout how the reason Vicks sucks has nothing to do with his ability as a QB but it is everybody else's fault ... you specifically have blamed all of the following for Vick's failure:

 

1. Bad coaching / horrible play calling (then on the other hand you say the offense is designed specifically for Vick's strength as a runner)

2. Bad offensive line

3. Bad defense

4. Lack of wide receivers

5. Dropped balls

6. Hard schedule

 

With all those excuses I could be a great QB too.

 

Vick couldn't carry Romo's jock ... hell, he couldn't carry Quincy Carter's jock

 

[Furd]

The reason that its easier to "pick on" Vick, IMO, is that he gets so much hype.

 

I took shots at Bettis last year (who seems to be a likable guy) because of the hype surrounding his trip to the Super Bowl.

 

As I see it, Vick is not a very good quarterback. He is a poor passer. He's not the best decision maker. He's not a good game manager.

 

He is a good rusher. I don't think that this is all that desirable a trait in an NFL quarterback. There is some value to that, but not all that much.

 

He is 33rd in the league in passer rating, above only Walter, Plummer and Frye among QBs that have started all 10 games.His completion percentage is 52.4, which is terrible for an NFL QB. He is most dangerous on a broken play. I want my QB to be dangerous on executed plays. Certainly, Vick's rushing does not make up for his deficiencies.

 

Some QBs do fine, or at least better, with average receiving corps - McNabb, Rivers, Huard(!), Losman come to mind. Nobody is crying about how much better they'd be if they had better WRs. No QB gets as many excuses as Vick.

 

So I guess that Vick is, to a certain extent, a victim of his hype.

[alexgaddis]

As I see it, Vick is not a very good quarterback. He is a poor passer. He's not the best decision maker. He's not a good game manager.

 

He is a good rusher. I don't think that this is all that desirable a trait in an NFL quarterback. There is some value to that, but not all that much.

 

He is 33rd in the league in passer rating, above only Walter, Plummer and Frye among QBs that have started all 10 games.His completion percentage is 52.4, which is terrible for an NFL QB. He is most dangerous on a broken play. I want my QB to be dangerous on executed plays. Certainly, Vick's rushing does not make up for his deficiencies.

 

Some QBs do fine, or at least better, with average receiving corps - McNabb, Rivers, Huard(!), Losman come to mind. Nobody is crying about how much better they'd be if they had better WRs. No QB gets as many excuses as Vick.

 

So I guess that Vick is, to a certain extent, a victim of his hype.

 

Very well said...

Edited November 20, 2006 by alexgaddis

[tosberg34]

I see BS1 is defending Vick again. How many years and games will it take before you see the light? You're amazing in your blind loyalty to him. Another oh poopyty game by Vick and another bunch of excuses by you. It's always one thing after another as to why it he has no culpability in any games with you. If Vick ever stopped running your face would go halfway up his ass.

You bring nothing to the debate anymore (I'm not sure if you ever did). It's always the same excuses week after week. Do you have a list at home that you pick from? Or do you actually take the time to try and be creative with them? You really do look and sound quite pathetic every time you post in defense of Vick. Why don't you just take your tired old excuses, and your ball, and go home?

[Cunning Runt]

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[Big Score 1]

Here's the thing ... "all the Favre slobbering fans" had an actual QB to "slobber over". They aren't here now because they realize that Favre is not as good as he once was.

This is why Favre is the great one

I guess DMD didn't get your memo Blitz.

[Grits and Shins]

This is why Favre is the great one

I guess DMD didn't get your memo Blitz.

 

 

Don't you think that is more a comment on the starting streak?

[Big Score 1]

Don't you think that is more a comment on the starting streak?

 

Nope.

 

I think it's just an excuse for more Favre knob slobbering.

[Grits and Shins]

Nope.

 

I think it's just an excuse for more Favre knob slobbering.

 

 

Yeah, whatever. You continue to reach ...

 

Is this where you tell me I have alzeheimers again because of the obvious lack of an argument you have?

Edited November 21, 2006 by Grits and Shins

[Big Score 1]

Yeah, whatever. You contine to reach ...

 

[Chavez]

The main difference between this and two monkeys humpin' a football is the latter is entertaining.

[Grits and Shins]

Nope.

 

I think it's just an excuse for more Favre knob slobbering.

 

 

I have been IM'ing with DMD during the course of this game and I just asked him directly:

 

 

"So tell me ... your Favre post refering to him as "the Great One" ... a reference to his studness or his longevity?

 

His response

 

"longetivity mostly, plus owning NFL records"

 

 

So I guess this is another demonstration of your mis-intrepretation of the way things truely are

[Big Score 1]

I have been IM'ing with DMD during the course of this game and I just asked him directly:

"So tell me ... your Favre post refering to him as "the Great One" ... a reference to his studness or his longevity?

 

His response

 

"longetivity mostly, plus owning NFL records"

 

Gawd you're dense. DMD spells it out for you & you still don't get it.

 

What's owning NFL records, you great big freakin' goober.

[kerwin8]

I see BS1 is defending Vick again. How many years and games will it take before you see the light? You're amazing in your blind loyalty to him. Another oh poopyty game by Vick and another bunch of excuses by you. It's always one thing after another as to why it he has no culpability in any games with you. If Vick ever stopped running your face would go halfway up his ass.

You bring nothing to the debate anymore (I'm not sure if you ever did). It's always the same excuses week after week. Do you have a list at home that you pick from? Or do you actually take the time to try and be creative with them? You really do look and sound quite pathetic every time you post in defense of Vick. Why don't you just take your tired old excuses, and your ball, and go home?

 

 

Many QBs who are far better than Vick have come out of Baltimore with far worse games... given the opponent and the losses to the O-Line, I think Vick did just fine yesterday. Falcon's can't win 'em all (or even very many of them at this point), and Baltimore is clearly the better team right now.

 

I think it's more noteworthy that guys like Bulger, Eli, Grossman, and Delhomme all had pretty crummy days. Watching a QB put up sub-par stats against Baltimore is nothing short of predictable...

[WaterMan]

Oh! I get it now. Because there are people here at the Huddle who happen to like Vick, you have decided it is your mission in life to start Vick bashing threads.

 

Typical blind Vick hater.

Dismiss the good & pretend it didn't happen.

 

 

Yep all his good games are erased by one bad game(not this past week.) His offensive line isn't even that great yet we see Manning with a banged up O-line and he doesn't put up the usual 4 TD game. But a loss is all the QB's fault.

[Big Score 1]

Many QBs who are far better than Vick have come out of Baltimore with far worse games... given the opponent and the losses to the O-Line, I think Vick did just fine yesterday. Falcon's can't win 'em all (or even very many of them at this point), and Baltimore is clearly the better team right now.

 

I think it's more noteworthy that guys like Bulger, Eli, Grossman, and Delhomme all had pretty crummy days. Watching a QB put up sub-par stats against Baltimore is nothing short of predictable...

That's what's so F'n crazy about this thread.

 

You've got a ton of QB's who threw up some legitimate stinkers this weekend (Favre {before he got hurt}, Bulger, Eli, Plummer, Peyton, Grossman, Pennington, McNabb {before he got hurt}, Seneca Wallace etc...etc...etc...yet it's Vick, who had no picks or fumbles & did nothing to hurt his team, who gets his very own bashing thread, courtesy of Blitz.

 

His irrational & blind Vick hate is palpable in this thread. I mean if you're gonna start a thread to bash a player, at least be intelligent enough to do it, when said player actually has a bad game.

 

I also thought when Blitz wrote this, it was pretty telling.

I don't see Huddlers worshipping daily at the altars of Favre, Plummer and Bulger.

It seems he has a personal problem with people who happen to like Vick & has now made it his mission to get people to see Vick in HIS light.

 

I think the chances of ever getting an unbiased & honest opinion from Blitz on Vick, is Slim to None...& Slim just left town.

 

I really have no idea what his problem is with Vick, maybe Vick pee'd in his Cheerios or something, but it's obvious he's got some deep seated issues to work out.

 

But, since we know this, it's easy enough to just simply peg his Vick posts for what they are, blind & irrational hate.

 

Then you've got the real morans, like tosberg34.

 

They're the bandwagon bashers, with no real rhyme or reason to their posts. Not one original thought in their empty little heads, just blindly repeating what others have said.

Pretty much just sheep going bahhh...bahhh...bahhh

[Grits and Shins]

That's what's so F'n crazy about this thread.

 

You've got a ton of QB's who threw up some legitimate stinkers this weekend (Favre {before he got hurt}, Bulger, Eli, Plummer, Peyton, Grossman, Pennington, McNabb {before he got hurt}, Seneca Wallace etc...etc...etc...yet it's Vick, who had no picks or fumbles & did nothing to hurt his team, who gets his very own bashing thread, courtesy of Blitz.

 

His irrational & blind Vick hate is palpable in this thread. I mean if you're gonna start a thread to bash a player, at least be intelligent enough to do it, when said player actually has a bad game.

 

I also thought when Blitz wrote this, it was pretty telling.

 

It seems he has a personal problem with people who happen to like Vick & has now made it his mission to get people to see Vick in HIS light.

 

I think the chances of ever getting an unbiased & honest opinion from Blitz on Vick, is Slim to None...& Slim just left town.

 

I really have no idea what his problem is with Vick, maybe Vick pee'd in his Cheerios or something, but it's obvious he's got some deep seated issues to work out.

 

But, since we know this, it's easy enough to just simply peg his Vick posts for what they are, blind & irrational hate.

 

Then you've got the real morans, like tosberg34.

 

They're the bandwagon bashers, with no real rhyme or reason to their posts. Not one original thought in their empty little heads, just blindly repeating what others have said.

Pretty much just sheep going bahhh...bahhh...bahhh

 

Did other QBs stink this weekend, certainly. I'm not sure what exactly that has to do with a discussion of Vick's merits or lack thereof as a QB. But it falls right in vein with your approach to a discussion of Vick, blame everybody and everything else and deflect (so this would be deflection). Then to further shade your weak arguments you like to resort to name calling.

 

I don't see fans of those other QBs making excuses why those other QBs performed poorly. I think we would ALL agree that those QBs sucked this weekend, even their fans. Only the Vick fans blame every one and everything else on Vick's failure to execute. Only the Vick apologists exclaim loudly and repeatedly that Vick is good despite his poor season/career stats. Only the Vick fans so blatently ignore the poor season / career stats in a discussion of his merits as a QB. They want to deflect and talk about his ability to run the ball. There is no doubt that Vick looks to be able to run the ball better than any QB in history. So what? That just speaks to him playing out of his true position of RB or WR. His job as a QB should be to run the offense not run the ball. His job as QB is to read defenses and distribute the ball to his team mates via handing off the ball or passing the ball. Vick is too one-dimentional in that he ALWAYS looks to run the ball if he can't immediately find a WR to throw to. And guess what ... one-dimentional offenses do not win championships.

 

I started this thread in response to on going Vick discussions BEFORE THE GAMES WERE PLAYED THIS WEEKEND (not in response to the games) AND because this very topic was discussed in this weekend's pre-game shows. As you were attempting to tell me that those that know football supported your position. Last weekend's pre-game shows seemed to discount that belief of yours, yet as usual you fail to acknowledge that. So this whole discussion of how other QBs did this weekend is moot.

 

I believe my opinion of Vick is 1000% percent more honest and unbaised then yours ever will be. If one objectively looks at Vicks stats over his career and his performance it's not hard to come to the conclusion that he is not a very good QB. I know, I know ... this is where you say those that haven't seen every single play can't make that judgement and it is everybody else's fault for Vick's failure to execute. You have blamed:

 

1. Bad coaching and play calling, even though you have admitted that the offense is specificially/specially designed to account for Vick's deficiency in reading defenses and his dificiencies in throwing the ball and his ability to run the ball.

 

2. Lack of talented wide recievers. To me this is the funniest of all. Vick is a run first, throw second type of QB so how would we possibly know if Atlanta ever had a talented WR. Vick can't consistently throw the ball well ... because he always panics and resorts to his legs. Nevermind that other QBs over the last 50 years have managed to do okay throwing the ball to mediocre WRs (McNabb comes immediately to mind). And lack of WRs doesn't explain away the turnovers.

 

3. Everybody on the team drops the ball. Well gee, when the QB can't throw the ball is it a surprise his pass catchers can't catch them? Every team has players that drop passes, it happens. If it happens MORE for Atlanta year in and year out seems to me that this is more a reflection on the QBs inability to throw the ball.

 

4. Bad offensive line. I'm not sure how you can expect the o-line to pass block for Vick when they have no clue where Vick is going to be so they can block for him. The o-line is not so bad as to be an excuse even as you try to make it be. At least half of the QBs in the NFL could excel behind that offensive line.

 

5. Bad defense. You have yet to explain how Atlanta's defense impacts Vick's ability to perform as a QB. As a matter of fact the worse the defense is the more the offense is likely to throw the ball.

 

6. Hard schedule. Poor Vick has a hard schedule and this impacts his ability to be a good QB. Not like any other QBs have hard schedules.