H8tank Posted April 4, 2007 Share Posted April 4, 2007 Although no one doubts our forces will prevail over Saddam Hussein's, key regional leaders confirm what the Foreign Relations Committee emphasized in its Iraq hearings last summer: The most challenging phase will likely be the day after--or, more accurately, the decade after--Saddam Hussein. Once he is gone, expectations are high that coalition forces will remain in large numbers to stabilize Iraq and support a civilian administration. That presence will be necessary for several years, given the vacuum there, which a divided Iraqi opposition will have trouble filling and which some new Iraqi military strongman must not fill. . . . Americans are largely unprepared for such an undertaking. President Bush must make clear to the American people the scale of the commitment. Who said that? http://biden.senate.gov/newsroom/details.cfm?id=189649&& Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big F'n Dave Posted April 4, 2007 Share Posted April 4, 2007 IBTL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaP'N GRuNGe Posted April 4, 2007 Share Posted April 4, 2007 Who said that? http://biden.senate.gov/newsroom/details.cfm?id=189649&& Correct. And Bush ignored Biden and military Generals who told him the job would take a much larger contingent then what he and Rummy decided on. If we had gone in with the correct larger force in the first place, we might have been able to do things like secure the weapons caches the insurgency now enjoys as well as secure the borders to prevent foreign fighters from causing havoc. I take this post to mean you are jumping on board the draft Biden for President in 2008 campaign? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duchess Jack Posted April 4, 2007 Share Posted April 4, 2007 Correct. And Bush ignored Biden and military Generals who told him the job would take a much larger contingent then what he and Rummy decided on. If we had gone in with the correct larger force in the first place, we might have been able to do things like secure the weapons caches the insurgency now enjoys as well as secure the borders to prevent foreign fighters from causing havoc. I take this post to mean you are jumping on board the draft Biden for President in 2008 campaign? would've been nice to secure warehouses packed with tons of explosives and maybe stop the looting of their religeous and national artifacts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaP'N GRuNGe Posted April 4, 2007 Share Posted April 4, 2007 Hmmmm....looks like Biden himself was way too low on his estimates for security. Though that larger force up front couldn't have done anything but help. Once he is gone, expectations are high that coalition forces will remain in large numbers to stabilize Iraq and support a civilian administration. That presence will be necessary for several years, given the vacuum there, which a divided Iraqi opposition will have trouble filling and which some new Iraqi military strongman must not fill. Various experts have testified that as many as 75,000 troops may be necessary, at a cost of up to $ 20 billion a year. That does not include the cost of the war itself, or the effort to rebuild Iraq. Americans are largely unprepared for such an undertaking. President Bush must make clear to the American people the scale of the commitment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H8tank Posted April 4, 2007 Author Share Posted April 4, 2007 If we had gone in with the correct larger force in the first place, we might have been Woulda coulda shoulda? Might? Maybe? How about if monkey's fly outa my butt? That's some weak sauce there girlfriend. If Biden thought it would take a decade, why does he want to quit all his leagues and leave like foreskins? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaP'N GRuNGe Posted April 4, 2007 Share Posted April 4, 2007 Woulda coulda shoulda? Might? Maybe? How about if monkey's fly outa my butt? That's some weak sauce there girlfriend. If Biden thought it would take a decade, why does he want to quit all his leagues and leave like foreskins? I'm not so sure you can classify this as "cut and run". Things change. Staying the course when the course is not working is just plain dumb. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H8tank Posted April 4, 2007 Author Share Posted April 4, 2007 Staying the course when the course is not working is just plain dumb. Have you heard this word lately: SURGE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brewer Posted April 4, 2007 Share Posted April 4, 2007 So, to summarize, Biden nailed it, and Bush didn't plan for or address any of the concerns listed in your link? I hadn't thought of it that way before. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AtomicCEO Posted April 4, 2007 Share Posted April 4, 2007 We're winning. Everyone close your eyes and throw more money on it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaP'N GRuNGe Posted April 4, 2007 Share Posted April 4, 2007 We're winning. Everyone close your eyes and throw more money on it. It IS funny how conservatives criticize the concept of throwing money at problems to fix them - - unless that problem is Iraq. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AtomicCEO Posted April 4, 2007 Share Posted April 4, 2007 It IS funny how conservatives criticize the concept of throwing money at problems to fix them - - unless that problem is Iraq. Freedom isn't free. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azazello1313 Posted April 4, 2007 Share Posted April 4, 2007 Correct. And Bush ignored Biden and military Generals who told him the job would take a much larger contingent then what he and Rummy decided on. that is a good counterpoint to h8's point about biden. what i'm not sure of is why declaring defeat now (otherwise known as "implementing firm timetables for withdrawl") is a good strategy, and how that strategy extends logically from biden's statements before the war. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronco Billy Posted April 4, 2007 Share Posted April 4, 2007 I'm not so sure you can classify this as "cut and run". Things change. Staying the course when the course is not working is just plain dumb. So what do you suggest - or since Biden is so prescient, what does he suggest - that would resolve this conflict? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AtomicCEO Posted April 4, 2007 Share Posted April 4, 2007 that is a good counterpoint to h8's point about biden. what i'm not sure of is why declaring defeat now (otherwise known as "implementing firm timetables for withdrawl") is a good strategy, and how that strategy extends logically from biden's statements before the war. If your retarded cousin was trying to drive you to the supermarket down the street, but he started out in the wrong direction, smashed the side of the car, ran over a pedestrian, and you ended up farther away from the supermarket than where you started with massive damage and blood on the windshield... but he refused to give up the drivers seat... Would you: a. Plot a walking route for home b. Show him how to use the nitrous boost To paraphrase Donald Rumsfeld: You fight a war with the commander-in-chief you have, not the commander-in-chief you wish you had. Tell me this war is winnable with the current leadership's "strategy" so I can laugh my ass off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
isleseeya Posted April 4, 2007 Share Posted April 4, 2007 (edited) When exactly did the US find the need to stabilize iraq and invest so heavily into it both with people's lives and billions of dollars ? All the while osama is running around towing a dialysis machine and we can't find him ? And iran going forward with nukes ( actual weapons of mass destruction which iraq does not have ) and that nut in n. korea aiming mssiles to los angeles ? Cmon now Edited April 4, 2007 by isleseeya Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H8tank Posted April 4, 2007 Author Share Posted April 4, 2007 You're either with us, or against us. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H8tank Posted April 4, 2007 Author Share Posted April 4, 2007 With us... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
isleseeya Posted April 4, 2007 Share Posted April 4, 2007 Jesus once said those are not against us are for us I think it has a whole different meaning than this war Love our troops , hate this war and any fact that we have to keep them there for years to come to clean up and unnecessary mess created by poor leadership and planning Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaP'N GRuNGe Posted April 4, 2007 Share Posted April 4, 2007 (edited) So what do you suggest - or since Biden is so prescient, what does he suggest - that would resolve this conflict? You can read for yourself what Biden suggests in the link you quoted. Myself? I have no clue. I don't think there is a correct answer. I don't think we can "win" in Iraq in the way we would like to win. Edited April 4, 2007 by CaP'N GRuNGe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AtomicCEO Posted April 4, 2007 Share Posted April 4, 2007 (edited) I think we should all fart rainbows on the middle east and let leprechauns ride unicorns straight to Bin Laden's invisible palace in the sky. Bush has the same odds of following that plan as he has of following any plan Biden suggests to him, so why bother give a rat's ass what Biden's plan is? (watching the clock until Bush's time runs out) Edited April 4, 2007 by AtomicCEO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
isleseeya Posted April 4, 2007 Share Posted April 4, 2007 I think we should all fart rainbows on the middle east and let leprechauns ride unicorns straight to Bin Laden's invisible palace in the sky. Bush has the same odds of following that plan as he has of following any plan Biden suggests to him, so why bother give a rat's ass what Biden's plan is? (watching the clock until Bush's time runs out) Yup ... + 1 , baby Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clubfoothead Posted April 5, 2007 Share Posted April 5, 2007 Nothing gets a job done like not having a date in which the job must be completed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yo mama Posted April 5, 2007 Share Posted April 5, 2007 I don't think we can "win" in Iraq in the way we would like to win. I'm not so sure about that. If part of the overall goal is to establish a semi-permanent military presense in the Middle East, that "win" can be accomplished by simply staying the coarse for as long as possible. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clubfoothead Posted April 5, 2007 Share Posted April 5, 2007 a semi-permanent military presense in the Middle East Historically that brings peace to the area. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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