MojoMan Posted April 9, 2007 Share Posted April 9, 2007 I just read that, in addition to being Rosie O'Donnell and denouncing their own gummint, http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/sto...ational/Europe/ now these ex-hostages are selling their stories to the press like frickin' reality show participants http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml...8/nturney08.xml Suffering succotash! is going on? Do they still teach "Name, Rank, and Serial Number?" These British "warriors" are an embarassment to themselves, their gummint, and real soldiers everywhere. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randall Posted April 9, 2007 Share Posted April 9, 2007 Not a mamber but didn't Jessica Lynch grab some cash too? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pope Flick Posted April 9, 2007 Share Posted April 9, 2007 (edited) I just read that, in addition to being Rosie O'Donnell and denouncing their own gummint, http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/sto...ational/Europe/ now these ex-hostages are selling their stories to the press like frickin' reality show participants http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml...8/nturney08.xml Suffering succotash! is going on? Do they still teach "Name, Rank, and Serial Number?" These British "warriors" are an embarassment to themselves, their gummint, and real soldiers everywhere. They acted in their own interests by not putting up a fight that would have ended in their certain deaths. Do you feel the same way about the airmen shot down in Iraq during the first Gulf War when they were paraded in front of the cameras and recited scripted propaganda? Get over yourself. They came home alive and every family still has them - so what's the problem? Here big man: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Peters_%28pilot%29 Go find him and say what you just said to his face. Edited April 9, 2007 by Pope Flick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wiegie Posted April 9, 2007 Share Posted April 9, 2007 Suffering succotash! is going on? Do they still teach "Name, Rank, and Serial Number?" These British "warriors" are an embarassment to themselves, their gummint, and real soldiers everywhere. did you even read the articles you linked to? Military officials scoffed at this, noting that British military personnel are trained to submit to their captors in order to maintain their safety if there is no chance of escape. "As far as the statements that they had to make on Iranian television, you only had to look at them," said Sir Jock Stirrup, Britain's chief of defence staff. "You only had to listen to what they had to say to be able to draw your own conclusions. They did exactly as they should have done, from start to finish in this entire episode, and we are extremely proud of them." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmarc117 Posted April 9, 2007 Share Posted April 9, 2007 anyone in the armed services and/or captured by an enemy can do whatever they want(legally of course) once back home...imo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Country Posted April 9, 2007 Share Posted April 9, 2007 Sir Jock Stirrup This sounds like either a porn name or a racing horse, not the name of a high ranking government official. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Swerski Posted April 9, 2007 Share Posted April 9, 2007 I'm surprised that they didn't denounce Iran after they landed on British soil. I would've. And I'm disappointed in the appeasement language that Blair used at the end of this ordeal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azazello1313 Posted April 9, 2007 Share Posted April 9, 2007 I just read that, in addition to being Rosie O'Donnell and denouncing their own gummint, http://www.theglobeandmail.com/servlet/sto...ational/Europe/ now these ex-hostages are selling their stories to the press like frickin' reality show participants http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml...8/nturney08.xml Suffering succotash! is going on? Do they still teach "Name, Rank, and Serial Number?" These British "warriors" are an embarassment to themselves, their gummint, and real soldiers everywhere. well, part of me wishes these guys all had the stones to keep their mouths shut while they were hostages....because i don't think the iranians were quite stupid enough to actually harm them. but i can't really blame them for not taking that gamble, especially since that's apparently british military policy. as far as cashing in now....again, part of me wishes they wouldn't, but hey, if someone offered me a wad of cash to tell about an ordeal i went through there's a pretty good chance i'd be positively inclined as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pope Flick Posted April 9, 2007 Share Posted April 9, 2007 as far as cashing in now....again, part of me wishes they wouldn't, but hey, if someone offered me a wad of cash to tell about an ordeal i went through there's a pretty good chance i'd be positively inclined as well. But it does appear a bit distatsteful given that British Army lost several over the weekend. They can't sell their stories because they're now dead. The timing isn't so hot. Also, it's clear much diplomacy went on to make this happen, clearly as this guy got released days efore the British were. Oh wait, seeing links like that means I need to put this on , right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ursa Majoris Posted April 9, 2007 Share Posted April 9, 2007 Adml Sir Alan West, the former First Sea Lord, said: "I am surprised that someone would even consider selling their story while they were still serving." I'm surprised the military regulations allow it at all, Sir Alan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H8tank Posted April 9, 2007 Share Posted April 9, 2007 They acted in their own interests by not putting up a fight that would have ended in their certain deaths. Really? You know this how? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
isleseeya Posted April 9, 2007 Share Posted April 9, 2007 well, part of me wishes these guys all had the stones to keep their mouths shut while they were hostages....because i don't think the iranians were quite stupid enough to actually harm them. but i can't really blame them for not taking that gamble, especially since that's apparently british military policy. as far as cashing in now....again, part of me wishes they wouldn't, but hey, if someone offered me a wad of cash to tell about an ordeal i went through there's a pretty good chance i'd be positively inclined as well. I agree with part one of this ..not so sure on part two ...but not being in their shoes throughout all of this , I will not criticize them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pope Flick Posted April 9, 2007 Share Posted April 9, 2007 Really? You know this how? Because I don't live in Oklahomo where you apparently still use tin cans and kite string instead of modern technology. Interviews from the commanders on scene describe being surrounded at least 6 to 1, with belligerent Iranians training RPGs, hi caliber machine guns and ramming of their vessel. You don't believe him why? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H8tank Posted April 9, 2007 Share Posted April 9, 2007 You don't believe him why? You said 'certain death', you don't know that. There rules of engagement must differ from ours, cuase the American officers I have heard couldn't believe the brits allowed this to happen to them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riffraff Posted April 9, 2007 Share Posted April 9, 2007 I have no problem with it. Our soldiers sell/tell their stories too. Most war movies have portions of real lives portrayed in them. Imagine no Band of Brothers or such. People go to listen to War Heroes / Medal of Honor recipients speak at conventions. They are selling their stories while on stage. It's a paid speaking engagement. History channel talking to anyone is a paid encounter. It would be the same as an anyone else with a biography, autobiography, made for TV movie of the week, etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H8tank Posted April 10, 2007 Share Posted April 10, 2007 Maybe this is why Americans don't roll over and surrender like the brits... http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml.../08/wiran08.xml Hardliners in the Iranian regime have warned that the seizure of British naval personnel demonstrates that they can make trouble for the West whenever they want to and do so with impunity. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuperBalla Posted April 10, 2007 Share Posted April 10, 2007 (edited) Iran wouldn't be so dumb as to hurt those troops/detainees because they'd be drawn into a war that they wouldn't win...wait silly me. Ofcourse they can bully us/Britain around...since we have a demonKrapic gubamint now that really has no spine. We are already setting withdrawl deadlines and threatning to cut military spending. Why wouldn't they test the waters...after all that is what Iran was doing. They poked the Brits in the chest to see if they'd move and... they didn't. What did the Iranians learn from their "poKe" test? Industrialize their nuclear enrichment process. My take as a prior service Army guy...Those guys were probably introduced to some terrifying tactics that probably made them chit their pants. They probably thought they would or could die. The Middle Eastern people tend to have a sick way about them. We were taught name, rank, SS#...and that's all fine and good...but when they are foking with you...like really foking with you...there is no telling how you'd cooperate. Unless ofcourse you were trained to deal with torture/interrogation tactics. Edited April 10, 2007 by SuperBalla Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AtomicCEO Posted April 10, 2007 Share Posted April 10, 2007 since we have a demonKrapic gubamint now that really has no spine. We have a WHAT?? We really showed that Osama Bin Laden a thing or two. Plus that masterful stratergie in Iraq. If I was a radical islamic extremist, I would be quaking in my boots. Thanks Republican leadership! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ursa Majoris Posted April 10, 2007 Share Posted April 10, 2007 You said 'certain death', you don't know that. There rules of engagement must differ from ours, cuase the American officers I have heard couldn't believe the brits allowed this to happen to them. Get a clue, dumbass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Holy Roller Posted April 10, 2007 Share Posted April 10, 2007 American servicemen have the Military Code of Conduct which specifies what they should do to avoid becoming a POW and what behaviors to do if they do end up a prisioner. Article 3 of the Code states: If I am captured I will continue to resist by all means available. I will make every effort to escape and to aid others to escape. I will accept neither parole nor special favors from the enemy. Perhaps Britain has no such code that their servicemen are taught? It made me sick to see the prisoners accept the "gift" bags that were given them when they were released along with wearing civilian clothes. I blame the officers that were responsible for their training and conduct. Shame. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pope Flick Posted April 10, 2007 Share Posted April 10, 2007 They weren't POWs due to the simple fact we're not at war, so your summary judgements don't really apply. I take it you guys think this was worth starting a war over? Rubbish, they handled themselves as well as can be expected and kept their eye on the prize: by not firing a shot diplomacy carried the day and no war was started on Iranian terms which is better for us, seeing as how Republican leadership (balla) has allowed us to get stuck in a quagmire which woudldn't be worth making worse over these 15 sailors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riffraff Posted April 10, 2007 Share Posted April 10, 2007 Meanwhile, in "other news" ... Nine Algerian soldiers were killed on Sunday. http://www.iol.co.za/index.php?set_id=1&cl...15727755C793017 Nobody here noticed, cared, or went on a political tangent about it. Discuss. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Holy Roller Posted April 10, 2007 Share Posted April 10, 2007 They weren't POWs due to the simple fact we're not at war, so your summary judgements don't really apply. I take it you guys think this was worth starting a war over? Rubbish, they handled themselves as well as can be expected and kept their eye on the prize: by not firing a shot diplomacy carried the day and no war was started on Iranian terms which is better for us, seeing as how Republican leadership (balla) has allowed us to get stuck in a quagmire which woudldn't be worth making worse over these 15 sailors. I blame the Brit officers who gave the order to search the vessel and did not give adequet protection to the sailors carrying out the orders. The conduct of the sailor/guests was deplorable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ursa Majoris Posted April 10, 2007 Share Posted April 10, 2007 I blame the Brit officers who gave the order to search the vessel and did not give adequet protection to the sailors carrying out the orders. The conduct of the sailor/guests was deplorable. Only deplorable if you think they should have disobeyed orders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeeR Posted April 10, 2007 Share Posted April 10, 2007 Because I don't live in Oklahomo where you apparently still use tin cans and kite string instead of modern technology. LOL Oh cmon, you know those wacky Iranians are peaceniks at heart. They prolly woulda just made em go time out in the corner or something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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