spain Posted May 20, 2007 Author Share Posted May 20, 2007 Am I wrong to assume that Street Sense, Curlin, and Hard Spun will all be running in the Belmont? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Loins of Beef Posted May 20, 2007 Share Posted May 20, 2007 Keeping simple-- Exacta box S.Sense-Curlin Place bet on S. Sense wouldn't be surprised to see a 45.5 to 46 up front with the early speed stinks to bet chalk but that is what it looks like Not much but I'll take it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spain Posted May 20, 2007 Author Share Posted May 20, 2007 Not much but I'll take it Nice call Sir Loins! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spain Posted May 20, 2007 Author Share Posted May 20, 2007 Let me ask this. If I bet $20 each on the correct exacta, trifecta, and superfecta, how much would they have paid me on todays Preakness? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HowboutthemCowboys Posted May 20, 2007 Share Posted May 20, 2007 Let me ask this. If I bet $20 each on the correct exacta, trifecta, and superfecta, how much would they have paid me on todays Preakness? $230, $500 and $6800. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nuke'em ttg Posted May 20, 2007 Share Posted May 20, 2007 (edited) Well, Tbone needs to read between the lines of the contract he signed with me. No anger is accepted and I never tell people how to bet their money. Personally, I made a nice profit today. ...........UPDATE......... just heard from my jockey T bone..........he Hit the last race........You're a Genius Gil......... .........EDIT............ Yo Gil.....everyone.......T bone was not mad........i was just runnin some track Humor and it came off wrong......... ........my apologies.......nuke Edited May 20, 2007 by nuke'em ttg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gilthorp Posted May 20, 2007 Share Posted May 20, 2007 IF he hit it as hard as I did, he should be happy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HowboutthemCowboys Posted May 20, 2007 Share Posted May 20, 2007 Am I wrong to assume that Street Sense, Curlin, and Hard Spun will all be running in the Belmont? Nafzger said after the race that SS won't be going. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gilthorp Posted May 20, 2007 Share Posted May 20, 2007 I personally wouldn't send any of them. They are all in their own right, fine race horses, and they should take a little break in my opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HowboutthemCowboys Posted May 20, 2007 Share Posted May 20, 2007 I personally wouldn't send any of them. They are all in their own right, fine race horses, and they should take a little break in my opinion. agreed. Gil, you think if the big 3 stay home it'll lead to a larger field for the Belmont? It's still a triple crown race and would be big on a stud's resume... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gilthorp Posted May 20, 2007 Share Posted May 20, 2007 agreed. Gil, you think if the big 3 stay home it'll lead to a larger field for the Belmont? It's still a triple crown race and would be big on a stud's resume... I'm trying to think who would even go. I know Lukas and Zito would roll there. Need to see what comes out of the Peter Pan and if Matz points Chelokee. I think we'll see at least 3 or 4 of the other Derby entrants try the Belmont. I liked Hard Spun in the Derby, and Curlin in the Preakness, and my early pick for the Belmont would be Tiago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HowboutthemCowboys Posted May 20, 2007 Share Posted May 20, 2007 my early pick for the Belmont would be Tiago. If he goes he'll be the "wiseguy horse" for sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gilthorp Posted May 20, 2007 Share Posted May 20, 2007 If he goes he'll be the "wiseguy horse" for sure. Although you have to love the way Chelokee won today. That's a classy horse who knows his job. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
godtomsatan Posted May 20, 2007 Share Posted May 20, 2007 I didn't hit the Preakness, but I did hit 6 of 10 races at Emerald Downs. I should stay with the glue factory preps, and away from the classics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gilthorp Posted May 20, 2007 Share Posted May 20, 2007 I didn't hit the Preakness, but I did hit 6 of 10 races at Emerald Downs. I should stay with the glue factory preps, and away from the classics. I never have a good feel on my local circuit and never expect to make any money when I go to Arlington...just go out there to look at the scenery , drink beer, and lose cash. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gilthorp Posted May 20, 2007 Share Posted May 20, 2007 agreed. Gil, you think if the big 3 stay home it'll lead to a larger field for the Belmont? It's still a triple crown race and would be big on a stud's resume... Here's the lineup for tomorrow's Peter Pan. Most often, the winner goes to the Belmont. 1 Sir Whimsey (VA) Eibar Coa Michael Miceli 15/1 2 Hal's My Hope (FL) Cornelio H. Velasquez Barry R. Rose 5/1 3 Prom Shoes (KY) John R. Velazquez William H. Fires 12/1 4 Sightseeing (KY) Edgar S. Prado Claude R. McGaughey III 7/2 5 Vitruvius (KY) Kent J. Desormeaux James A. Jerkens 2/1 6 Fearless Vision (KY) Garrett K. Gomez Patrick L. Reynolds 9/2 7 Soaring By (KY) Michael J. Luzzi Todd A. Pletcher 4/1 And here's a link to the BRIS report on it. http://www.brisnet.com/bris_link/pdfs/toddpletcher_74986.pdf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crispirons Posted May 20, 2007 Share Posted May 20, 2007 my preakness story today. i didn't get up to the rampart casino until about 20 minutes until the preakness. i make my bets with hard spun on top of all in the exacta and a couple of tri keys totaling 24 dollars. walk over to the bar, i'm there less than a minute, and the guy next to me hits a royal flush on the video poker machine . he was playing a 2 dollar machine. cashed 8 dimes. i'm talking to him and congratulating him and he shows me who he bet on in the preakness. he had 5 bills on curlin. i'm convinced this guy is on a lucky streak. i went and played a 4 dollar tri key with curlin on top of street sense and hard spun. 8 dollar ticket paid me a hundo. played the exacta straight for 10 bucks 4-8 which paid me another hundo and change. all in all that guy made 10 dimes in the 20 minutes i was there......incredible. i walked out a winner and was happy, but i'm sure not as happy as that guy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spain Posted May 20, 2007 Author Share Posted May 20, 2007 my preakness story today. i didn't get up to the rampart casino until about 20 minutes until the preakness. i make my bets with hard spun on top of all in the exacta and a couple of tri keys totaling 24 dollars. walk over to the bar, i'm there less than a minute, and the guy next to me hits a royal flush on the video poker machine . he was playing a 2 dollar machine. cashed 8 dimes. i'm talking to him and congratulating him and he shows me who he bet on in the preakness. he had 5 bills on curlin. i'm convinced this guy is on a lucky streak. i went and played a 4 dollar tri key with curlin on top of street sense and hard spun. 8 dollar ticket paid me a hundo. played the exacta straight for 10 bucks 4-8 which paid me another hundo and change. all in all that guy made 10 dimes in the 20 minutes i was there......incredible. i walked out a winner and was happy, but i'm sure not as happy as that guy. Nice job Paulie! I also believe in lucky streaks and dont blame you for following your instincts on Mr. Royal Flush. I had a sort of similar story at Derby. Playing poker with the locals, I asked them who would win the Derby. My horse was Scat Daddy. Everyone at that table was on Street Sense and told me to bet the farm on him to win. I didnt know this but apparently, Street Sense had been training like a beast leading up to the Derby. So, I threw $20 across on the board on him and won I think $228! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gilthorp Posted May 20, 2007 Share Posted May 20, 2007 I tried to tell you guys that Hard Spun was going to have a different pace scenario and a hugh effort in the Derby, that he wasn't going to be up top. My only flaw was handicapping him completely off the board. He's a nice hoss. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grits and Shins Posted May 20, 2007 Share Posted May 20, 2007 True. But when one is hung like a horse, nothing else matters! Being hung like a horse is irrelevant of the member stays limp all the time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spain Posted May 20, 2007 Author Share Posted May 20, 2007 Horse racing has a HUGH problem in my opinion. You can only bet on it in a handful of states. Ive attempted to open an account on the internet at various horse betting sites and have been unable to due to not living in a state that allows it. They need to lobby congress to get horse race betting legal on the internet regardless of your state of residence or they will have problems growing the sport. It will have a much much harsher effect on the sport than the banning of online gambling did to poker. At least in poker, you can play live with your friends in a home game. If you cant bet horses on line, you just cant bet in a non legal state. That keeps the casual fan like me from ever betting unless I am up at Derby or somewhere its legal. That will kill the growth of the sport, imo. Horse racing is severely limited in this regard. Is anyone addressing this issue? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gilthorp Posted May 20, 2007 Share Posted May 20, 2007 The horse racing industry does not care about the average Joe (Spain) bettor. Not in the least. The industry is built around breeding, where the rich get richer. The average horseplayer, they have no care for whatsoever. Most track owners have seen a decline in attendance ever since our Great Uncles and Grandfathers have all moved on. The Sport of Kings it no longer is. So, the owners of the tracks are having a hard time getting on track attendance, which means lesser money. Which means they have to decrease the type of races they have, which in turn decreases the type of talent they can attract to fill those races on a week in, week out basis...which in turn lowers the fields and totally degrades the class of the races. Their solution? Put slots and electronic gaming in at the tracks. It has proved to help. As far as the on line gaming goes, many states that have horse racing in its blood, it's no problems...but the states that don't rely on it as a stream, they haven't legalized it yet, and there's not a priority to do so....especially when they can all push for casino revenue instead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spain Posted May 20, 2007 Author Share Posted May 20, 2007 The horse racing industry does not care about the average Joe (Spain) bettor. Not in the least. The industry is built around breeding, where the rich get richer. The average horseplayer, they have no care for whatsoever. Most track owners have seen a decline in attendance ever since our Great Uncles and Grandfathers have all moved on. The Sport of Kings it no longer is. So, the owners of the tracks are having a hard time getting on track attendance, which means lesser money. Which means they have to decrease the type of races they have, which in turn decreases the type of talent they can attract to fill those races on a week in, week out basis...which in turn lowers the fields and totally degrades the class of the races. Their solution? Put slots and electronic gaming in at the tracks. It has proved to help. As far as the on line gaming goes, many states that have horse racing in its blood, it's no problems...but the states that don't rely on it as a stream, they haven't legalized it yet, and there's not a priority to do so....especially when they can all push for casino revenue instead. I dont disagree with anything you said Gil. But, as you said, the attendance is down and they do need to address that, regardless of whether they actually "care" about the average better not. This sport will eventually die if they cant attract the next generation of fans. And if the sport dies, the breeders wont make money, so they do have a vested interest in ensuring that Joe Bettor keeps coming. One way to grow the sport is to reach out to fans in other states, like me. They can do that through the internet. If you can bet online, then you will follow the sport. And then you are ALOT more likely to drive to a track when you can. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gilthorp Posted May 20, 2007 Share Posted May 20, 2007 Essentially, the sport is already dead Jeff. It will take many decades of decline. There's too much money in the Graded races to ever demolish it completely. There will always be an off track handle for these tracks to stay afloat until the big days. Take Keeneland for example...they do it the way they should. They run short meets with a Graded stake every single day. They certainly don't make it easy to get new fans of horseracing, but they find ways to get more action from people who are just looking for action. Personally, I take more pleasure in handicapping a race and seeing it run, then the thrill I get from the action. It was the exact opposite about 10 years ago when I just wanted the action. Not so today. They've lost their fan base and the new generation of instant gratification, won't have time to investigate bloodlines, and will never remember when a horses sire ran a race. This sport needs a Triple Crown winner in a big way. However, even then, that horse would pretty much never run again after the Belmont in fear of injury. Unless a horse is gelded, you'll never see a high class horse run past 4 years of age, and that in itself is a major problem in not being able to capture the fans. It's messed up on many levels, but you're complaint of not able to open an account at TVG is one that has been mentioned in my circles for many years...it does suck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spain Posted May 20, 2007 Author Share Posted May 20, 2007 I guess what I am suggesting is that since there are A LOT of wealthy people in this business, particularly in the breeding side of it, they should have a PAC lobbying Congress to legalize horse racing nationally on the internet. Heck, the feds could tax the heck out of the profits. The sport enlarges its potential fan base exponentially, the feds get more tax money for nothing, the casual Joe Bettor gets to have a little fun. Its a win-win-win. Nobody loses. I am quite sure that they are probably already doing this since it just makes sense. Now, with all the thumpers out there, I dont know if we will ever see it. But these heavy hitters need to be stepping up the pressure on Congress to get this done. Just my 2 cents... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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