Sgt. Ryan Posted September 25, 2007 Share Posted September 25, 2007 And Vinateri>Folk by a wide margin. ETA- I am doing the > thing right, right? The aligator eats the bigger meal?? The Colts kicker? Typical nonsense Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whomper Posted September 26, 2007 Share Posted September 26, 2007 The difference is Dallas, unlike New England for the past 6 years, actually have to show up and play hard on the 6 weeks they play inside of their division instead of getting a bye. This was always my problem with the 49ers of old..Not taking anything away from them because they were loaded with talent (Montana, Rice, Craig, etc) but they went relatively unscathed through the regular season almost every year..Meantime Dallas was having NFC east wars Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caveman_Nick Posted September 26, 2007 Share Posted September 26, 2007 (edited) The difference is Dallas, unlike New England for the past 6 years, actually have to show up and play hard on the 6 weeks they play inside of their division instead of getting a bye. This was always my problem with the 49ers of old..Not taking anything away from them because they were loaded with talent (Montana, Rice, Craig, etc) but they went relatively unscathed through the regular season almost every year..Meantime Dallas was having NFC east wars The claim is nonsense, anyways. Since 2001 there has been at least one other playoff contender in the AFC East AFC East since 2001: 2001 Pats 11-5* Dolphins 11-5* Jets 10-6* 2002 change to 4 team divisions Jets 9-7* Dolphins 9-7 Pats 9-7 Bills 8-8 2003 Pats 14-2* Dolphins 10-6 2004 Pats 14-2* Jets 10-6* Bills 9-7 2005 Pats 10-6* Dolphins 9-7 2006 Pats 12-4 * Jets 10-6* NFC East Since 2001: 2001 Philly 11-5* Redskins 8-8 2002* change to 4 team divisions Philly 12-4* 2003 Philly 12-4* Cowboys 10-6* 2004 Philly 13-3 2005 Giants 11-5* Redskins 10-6* Cowboys 9-7 2006 Philly 10-6* Cowboys 9-7* Giants 8-8* *Made playoffs Which division looks more competitive? I'd say the AFC East. A little fact check always helps Edited September 26, 2007 by Caveman_Nick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chavez Posted September 26, 2007 Share Posted September 26, 2007 saying the Packers are the 2nd best NFC team is a bit insane. OK, let's say they are the worst 3-0 team in the NFC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whomper Posted September 26, 2007 Share Posted September 26, 2007 The claim is nonsense, anyways. Since 2001 there has been at least one other playoff contender in the AFC East AFC East since 2001: 2001 Pats 11-5* Dolphins 11-5* Jets 10-6* 2002 change to 4 team divisions Jets 9-7* Dolphins 9-7 Pats 9-7 Bills 8-8 2003 Pats 14-2* Dolphins 10-6 2004 Pats 14-2* Jets 10-6* Bills 9-7 2005 Pats 10-6* Dolphins 9-7 2006 Pats 12-4 * Jets 10-6* NFC East Since 2001: 2001 Philly 11-5* Redskins 8-8 2002* change to 4 team divisions Philly 12-4* 2003 Philly 12-4* Cowboys 10-6* 2004 Philly 13-3 2005 Giants 11-5* Redskins 10-6* Cowboys 9-7 2006 Philly 10-6* Cowboys 9-7* Giants 8-8* *Made playoffs Which division looks more competitive? I'd say the AFC East. A little fact check always helps Montana was on the 49ers in 2001 ? Tim made the post about NE..My post was about the 49ers of the 80s and even the Steve Young 49ers come to think of it.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caveman_Nick Posted September 26, 2007 Share Posted September 26, 2007 (edited) Montana was on the 49ers in 2001 ? Tim made the post about NE..My post was about the 49ers of the 80s and even the Steve Young 49ers come to think of it.. It seemed like you were agreeing with him by drawing a correllation to another team. I figured it was easier to quote you in my debunk than go searching for Tim's post... Edited September 26, 2007 by Caveman_Nick Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whomper Posted September 26, 2007 Share Posted September 26, 2007 It seemed like you were agreeing with him by drawing a correllation to another team. I figured it was easier to quote you in my debunk than go searching for Tim's post... Understood..Good day to you Sir.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caveman_Nick Posted September 26, 2007 Share Posted September 26, 2007 Understood..Good day to you Sir.. fixed for reference sake anyways Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt. Ryan Posted September 26, 2007 Share Posted September 26, 2007 This was always my problem with the 49ers of old..Not taking anything away from them because they were loaded with talent (Montana, Rice, Craig, etc) but they went relatively unscathed through the regular season almost every year..Meantime Dallas was having NFC east warsThe claim is nonsense, anyways. Since 2001 there has been at least one other playoff contender in the AFC East AFC East since 2001: 2001 Pats 11-5* Dolphins 11-5* Jets 10-6* 2002 change to 4 team divisions Jets 9-7* Dolphins 9-7 Pats 9-7 Bills 8-8 2003 Pats 14-2* Dolphins 10-6 2004 Pats 14-2* Jets 10-6* Bills 9-7 2005 Pats 10-6* Dolphins 9-7 2006 Pats 12-4 * Jets 10-6* NFC East Since 2001: 2001 Philly 11-5* Redskins 8-8 2002* change to 4 team divisions Philly 12-4* 2003 Philly 12-4* Cowboys 10-6* 2004 Philly 13-3 2005 Giants 11-5* Redskins 10-6* Cowboys 9-7 2006 Philly 10-6* Cowboys 9-7* Giants 8-8* *Made playoffs Which division looks more competitive? I'd say the AFC East. A little fact check always helps This is 2007, and the Jets, Bills and Phins all suck. Id be surprised if any is over 500, and that is with them getting to play each other twice. The worst team in the NFC East, is the 2nd best in the AFC East. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caveman_Nick Posted September 26, 2007 Share Posted September 26, 2007 This is 2007, and the Jets, Bills and Phins all suck. Id be surprised if any is over 500, and that is with them getting to play each other twice. The worst team in the NFC East, is the 2nd best in the AFC East. I wasn't responding to anything anyone said about 2007. TimC's comment was about 2001-2006. I was just putting the correct history out there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt. Ryan Posted September 26, 2007 Share Posted September 26, 2007 I wasn't responding to anything anyone said about 2007. TimC's comment was about 2001-2006. I was just putting the correct history out there. So we agree the Pats have a sh*tty schedule. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caveman_Nick Posted September 26, 2007 Share Posted September 26, 2007 So we agree the Pats have a sh*tty schedule. They have some relatively easy games on their schedule...although I generally consider division games to be 'tougher' than the division opponent's records. For all teams and all divisions. You also have to recognize that the Pats have a ton of very tough games on their schedule, like Pit, Indy, Dallas, SD, Philly, Bal. Cincy should not be a walkover, and Washington seems to have turned the corner. I think their schedule has some soft spots and some rock 'ard spots. Just like everyone else's schedule. I certainly don't think it's easier than Dallas' schedule, if that's what you are implying. Cake walks against STL, NYG x2, Min, Car, NYJ, BUF, the Lions. I mean, isn't that the same thing? I seriously try not to put too much stock in the schedule until the game comes to town. SD could have been viewed as a 'tough' game for the Pats, but they were not prepared well and didn;t play well. Same thing could be said about the Dallas Bears game. It's all relative. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt. Ryan Posted September 26, 2007 Share Posted September 26, 2007 Its not relative. NE got SD at home after Billgate. The team rallied around him and beat SD. Dallas went into Chicago and punked the Bears. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caveman_Nick Posted September 26, 2007 Share Posted September 26, 2007 Its not relative. NE got SD at home after Billgate. The team rallied around him and beat SD. Dallas went into Chicago and punked the Bears. Yet another meaningful conversation... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Menudo Posted September 26, 2007 Share Posted September 26, 2007 Yet another meaningful conversation... He makes me look like an objective fan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunther Posted September 27, 2007 Share Posted September 27, 2007 Okay, am I going out on a limb with this? Am I looking at this at too high of a level and not breaking it down into more tangible elements of the CHI/DAL game (probably, I'll never make a good analyst)? The Bears D had injuries that sidelined significant players. Briggs did not play in the second half, Vasher left the field around mid-third quarter and Harris had to leave around mid-fourth quarter. The time of possession for the Bears was only about 8:22 during the last half of the game (about 7:16 if you leave out the final 1:06 of the game that the Bears had possession) I have to think the Bears D was getting pretty gassed. Wrecks certainly didn't help matters by cutting two series very short by throwing picks. I'm not making excuses for the Bears, but I'm trying to put this game into perspective. As others have said, the Bears D plan didn't make the necessary adjustments in the second half and let things happen over and over. Maybe I'm making a mountain out of a molehill. If so, someone can bitch-slap some sense back into me. After three weeks, how can people say that the Cowboys are better than the Patriots (or vice-versa)? I don't think we will really know until they both meet on the field. How will DAL cover Randy Moss? Will they be able to bring the heat against Brady? How will DAL exploit the weaknesses in NE D? I also hate to admit this, but I'm also wondering how Romo, hell, the Cowboys for that matter, would handle the pressure of being down one or two scores in the waning minutes of a game? Does Romo make the opposing team say "Crap, we left a minute on the clock for Romo to win the game"? Of course, there are two more games to play before the Cowboys meet the Patriots. I feel very, very good about the Cowboys chances over the next couple of weeks, but "any given Sunday" and all that jazz. Meh, FWIW... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caveman_Nick Posted September 27, 2007 Share Posted September 27, 2007 After three weeks, how can people say that the Cowboys are better than the Patriots (or vice-versa)? I don't think we will really know until they both meet on the field. How will DAL cover Randy Moss? Will they be able to bring the heat against Brady? How will DAL exploit the weaknesses in NE D? Too many people hang on the whole AFC > NFC mantra. That's why they say certain teams are better than others. I think a 3-0 team is exactly that. It's silly to try to take anything away from one or the other because of their schedule. This isn't college ball. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coachharry Posted September 27, 2007 Author Share Posted September 27, 2007 Another big test will be to see if either the Boys or Pats trip over easy opponents this weekend. Both games should be winnable, although as a Boys fan I have all too often been burned by the "easy win" teams. I don't think the Pats trip up on MNF though. Hopefully they'll both still be undefeated when they finally get to dance in Dallas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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