evil_gop_liars Posted January 29, 2008 Share Posted January 29, 2008 "Man is not the fruit of chance or a bundle of convergences, determinisms or physical and chemical reactions," Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SheikYerbuti Posted January 29, 2008 Share Posted January 29, 2008 I hope the next time he gets sick he refuses to take any medicine. If god wants him healed, he'll get better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Bill Swerski Posted January 29, 2008 Share Posted January 29, 2008 So, we should all just disregard the ethical issues in certain areas of biotechnology, such as the cloning of higher forms of life? You do realize that we currently have the technology to clone a human being, right? I don't agree with everything the Pope says, but his point that scientific research needs to be held to ethical standards is a very valid one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
isleseeya Posted January 29, 2008 Share Posted January 29, 2008 (edited) I hope the next time he gets sick he refuses to take any medicine. If god wants him healed, he'll get better. God gave man the vision , wisdom and tools to do good and help others ...including making medicine in same way man has tools , resources and knowledge to make crystal meth ... the difference is which way do you go with the gifts you get and have Edited January 29, 2008 by isleseeya Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
polksalet Posted January 29, 2008 Share Posted January 29, 2008 a lot of truth in what he says Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yukon Cornelius Posted January 30, 2008 Share Posted January 30, 2008 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bushwacked Posted January 30, 2008 Share Posted January 30, 2008 (edited) So, we should all just disregard the ethical issues in certain areas of biotechnology, such as the cloning of higher forms of life? You do realize that we currently have the technology to clone a human being, right? I don't agree with everything the Pope says, but his point that scientific research needs to be held to ethical standards is a very valid one. While those are valid concerns, religious leaders of powerful organizations insinuating that people should be skeptical of science, to the point that we need let faith commingle in the process, hasn't historically proven to be the best thing for our country and civilization in general. I can see his heart is probably in the right place. These comments definitely influence an international religious political power play into the scientific realm. I don't like it, but there isn't much I can do. Edited January 30, 2008 by bushwacked Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evil_gop_liars Posted January 30, 2008 Author Share Posted January 30, 2008 While those are valid concerns, religious leaders of powerful organizations insinuating that people should be skeptical of science, to the point that we need let faith commingle in the process, hasn't historically proven to be the best thing for our country and civilization in general. I can see his heart is probably in the right place. These comments definitely influence an international religious political power play into the scientific realm. I don't like it, but there isn't much I can do. I believe Mr Wheaton said it best. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muck Posted January 30, 2008 Share Posted January 30, 2008 Generally speaking, there is danger in being too sure that you have the answer. Athiests, anarchists, fundamentalists, existentialists, Marxists, fascists, capitalists, pacifists, etc...apply this, please... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wiegie Posted January 30, 2008 Share Posted January 30, 2008 "In an age when scientific developments attract and seduce with the possibilities they offer, it's more important than ever to educate our contemporaries' consciences so that science does not become the criteria for goodness," he told scientists. Scientific investigation should be accompanied by "research into anthropology, philosophy and theology" to give insight into "man's own mystery, because no science can say who man is, where he comes from or where he is going", the Pope said. These comments do not seem unreasonable to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bushwacked Posted January 30, 2008 Share Posted January 30, 2008 Generally speaking, there is danger in being too sure that you have the answer. Athiests, anarchists, fundamentalists, existentialists, Marxists, fascists, capitalists, pacifists, etc...apply this, please... True, but I've found that large groups of people who chant in temples on a routine basis generally believe they have the all knowing answer and have more than a headstart on lobbying for political power. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Swerski Posted January 30, 2008 Share Posted January 30, 2008 (edited) While those are valid concerns, religious leaders of powerful organizations insinuating that people should be skeptical of science, to the point that we need let faith commingle in the process, hasn't historically proven to be the best thing for our country and civilization in general. I can see his heart is probably in the right place. These comments definitely influence an international religious political power play into the scientific realm. I don't like it, but there isn't much I can do. I don't believe that the Pope is lobbying for Christianity to be taught in science courses (and if he is, I strongly disagree). And I don't think that the Vatican should have final say on scientific ethics, although I believe that their opinion should be considered, as well as the opinions of other religious and non-religious organizations. We live in an age where the ability to conceive human life in a test tube and the ability to wipe out millions of people with a single bomb is considered "yesterday's technology." With all of this power comes a lot of responsibility and it's more important now than ever to strongly consider the ethical ramifications of certain areas of scientific research and draw a consensus ethical line in the sand when needed. While nobody wants a mob of angry Baptists and Pentacostals burning down molecular biology and genetics labs, the 20th century showed what can happen when "societal progress" is made paramount and morality is pushed completely out of the picture because it's deemed to impede said progress (Nazi Germany, the Soviet Union, North Korea, China, etc.). I believe that's part of the bigger picture that the Pope is trying to address. Edited January 30, 2008 by Bill Swerski Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimC Posted January 30, 2008 Share Posted January 30, 2008 True, but I've found that large groups of people who chant in temples on a routine basis generally believe they have the all knowing answer and have more than a headstart on lobbying for political power. When Fabio and I agree, it must be right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Irish Doggy Posted January 30, 2008 Share Posted January 30, 2008 "Man is not the fruit of chance or a bundle of convergences, determinisms or physical and chemical reactions," Benedict told a meeting of academics of different disciplines sponsored by the Paris Academy of Sciences and Pontifical Academy of Sciences. This is a little vaugue to me. I imagine he's speaking more to the human experience of life and free choice here, but if he's making a scientific statement on origin, well... we've already done that here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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