wiegie Posted February 6, 2008 Share Posted February 6, 2008 In Alabama, Obama won the popular vote 56%-42%. But Clinton is actually going to win 21 delegates to Obama's 20. In California, Clinton looks like she is going to win 52%-42% and Clinton is going to get 42 delegates to Obama's 23. (Meaning that Clinton is getting 65% of CA's delegates.) What the f' sort of operation are they running here anyway? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wiegie Posted February 6, 2008 Author Share Posted February 6, 2008 Edit to add, it might be possible that CNN isn't updating their delegate projections as quickly as they are updating the primary results. Who knows. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randall Posted February 6, 2008 Share Posted February 6, 2008 (edited) It's complicated. There are delegates, bonus delegates(in some states given when a candidate get a large percentage of the votes) and super delegates that can vote anyway they like. A lot has to do with awarding districts power and not just the overall statewide results. David Schuster explains it. It's the Deconstructing Delegates video. Edited February 6, 2008 by Randall Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
'canes2004 Posted February 6, 2008 Share Posted February 6, 2008 (edited) I know some states like Texas, are winner takes all. You win the majority and you get all the delegates. I've heard the explanation for breaking down the other distribution of delegates before and it still is a bit confusing since there seems to be no uniformity. Edited February 6, 2008 by 'canes2004 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Egret Posted February 6, 2008 Share Posted February 6, 2008 Most Republican contests are winner-take-all,. Most Democratic contests are awarded proportionally based on the number of congressional districts won. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
'canes2004 Posted February 6, 2008 Share Posted February 6, 2008 Most Republican contests are winner-take-all,. Most Democratic contests are awarded proportionally based on the number of congressional districts won. Good info here. I wished I paid more attention in high school civics class. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wiegie Posted February 6, 2008 Author Share Posted February 6, 2008 Most Democratic contests are awarded proportionally based on the number of congressional districts won. thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randall Posted February 6, 2008 Share Posted February 6, 2008 Most Republican contests are winner-take-all,. Most Democratic contests are awarded proportionally based on the number of congressional districts won. That's right. It gives more local say in awarding of delegates. Then there are caucuses and primaries where republicans can vote in democratic primaries. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wiegie Posted February 6, 2008 Author Share Posted February 6, 2008 Most Democratic contests are awarded proportionally based on the number of congressional districts won. I've done a little reading and I think it is slightly more complicated than this. I think a certain amount of delegates are assigned to each congressional district and then within each districts the delegates are assigned proportionally. (or at least that's as close I can figure out so far and I think the rules are different from state to state) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Egret Posted February 6, 2008 Share Posted February 6, 2008 I've done a little reading and I think it is slightly more complicated than this. I think a certain amount of delegates are assigned to each congressional district and then within each districts the delegates are assigned proportionally. (or at least that's as close I can figure out so far and I think the rules are different from state to state) I read from a few sources, and that's the easiest explanation. Rules vary from state to state. For example, Michigan and Florida receive no delegates. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wiegie Posted February 6, 2008 Author Share Posted February 6, 2008 (edited) I read from a few sources, and that's the easiest explanation. If I had wanted an easy but incorrect answer, I would have asked Mr. Twenty-Two Sevenths to chime in. Edited February 6, 2008 by wiegie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimC Posted February 6, 2008 Share Posted February 6, 2008 You can blame Jesse Jackson in 1988 for crying racism and how "winner takes all" hurts minorities and changing all this tp the current system. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wiegie Posted February 6, 2008 Author Share Posted February 6, 2008 You can blame Jesse Jackson in 1988 for crying racism and how "winner takes all" hurts minorities and changing all this tp the current system. I think proportional representation is better than winner-take-all. It's just that when proportional representation isn't really proportional at all that I start to wonder what the hell is going on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randall Posted February 6, 2008 Share Posted February 6, 2008 You can blame Jesse Jackson in 1988 for crying racism and how "winner takes all" hurts minorities and changing all this tp the current system. I like awarding delegates regionally. About half of republican primaries aren't winner take all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimC Posted February 6, 2008 Share Posted February 6, 2008 I like awarding delegates regionally. About half of republican primaries aren't winner take all. I know, but eventually you have to pick someone. Imagine if NY and California were winner take all. Hillary would have the nomination in the bag because Obama won states with 6 people and 12 cows in them last night. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cunning Runt Posted February 6, 2008 Share Posted February 6, 2008 (edited) I read from a few sources, and that's the easiest explanation. Rules vary from state to state. For example, Michigan and Florida receive no delegates. I could be wrong on this, but I don't think it's that they get no delegates, I think it's that this year, the Democratic Party penalized those states for having their primaries too early and that all the candidates agreed on this as well as agreed not to campaign there. In fact, I thnk Obama had even taken his name off the ballot in one of them. I think the "no delegates" is a one-time thing, not a rule of thumb for those states. Edited February 6, 2008 by Cunning Runt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randall Posted February 6, 2008 Share Posted February 6, 2008 I could be wrong on this, but I don't think it's that they get no delegates, I think it's that this year, the Democratic Party penalized those states for having their primaries too early and that all the candidates agreed on this as well as agreed not to campaign there. In fact, I thnk Obama had even taken his name off the ballot in one of them. I think the "no delegates" is a one-time thing, not a rule of thumb for those states. That's right. Per democratic party rules states that moved up were penalized and the candidates agreed thery wouldn't campaign there. Hillary had to wait until the polls closed to go there and have her fake "winning rally". The democrats want space between primaries. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randall Posted February 6, 2008 Share Posted February 6, 2008 I know, but eventually you have to pick someone. Imagine if NY and California were winner take all. Hillary would have the nomination in the bag because Obama won states with 6 people and 12 cows in them last night. Well if George Bush would agree to leave office now I would be for winner take all. Have the election now and let everyone run. . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yukon Cornelius Posted February 6, 2008 Share Posted February 6, 2008 sure Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
godtomsatan Posted February 6, 2008 Share Posted February 6, 2008 In Alabama, Obama won the popular vote 56%-42%. But Clinton is actually going to win 21 delegates to Obama's 20. In California, Clinton looks like she is going to win 52%-42% and Clinton is going to get 42 delegates to Obama's 23. (Meaning that Clinton is getting 65% of CA's delegates.) What the f' sort of operation are they running here anyway? Those results are extremely premature and reflect superdelegates in addition to factoring in SOME of the results from last night. Basically, in party nominating primaries and caucuses, the popular vote is only a reflection of what people are doing with their singular vote. The process involves more than just an A/B choice, especially on the Democratic side. Basically, the race is nowhere near over on the Democratic side. Although there aren't a lot of big states left for Hillary to solidify her lead (and I'm not so sure she'll do well in Ohio, Texas, and Pennsylvania). McCain is a lot closer to the Republican nomination than anyone else. One interesting thing to note about both sides selecting their candidates: Obama won powerfully everywhere the Democrats are going to lose in November, and McCain won everywhere the Republicans are going to lose. Funny way to select your ticket. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turnit643 Posted February 7, 2008 Share Posted February 7, 2008 (edited) These guys are doing a good job of tracking the super delegates. They include lists of the super delegates that have endorsed a candidate already and those that have yet to choose a side. If the race stays as close as it is at this point, the super delegates will play a big role. FWIW, the super delegates can vote for whichever candidate they want when the time comes, even if they happen to represent a portion of the population that doesn't support their choice. Case in point: the Democratic congresswoman that represents our district (Lynn Woolsey, ugh) pledged her support for Hillary in late December and our district as a whole went 50.9% to 41.7% in Obama's favor yesterday. Edited February 7, 2008 by turnit643 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AtomicCEO Posted February 7, 2008 Share Posted February 7, 2008 These guys are doing a good job of tracking the super delegates. They include lists of the super delegates that have endorsed a candidate already and those that have yet to choose a side. If the race stays as close as it is at this point, the super delegates will play a big role. FWIW, the super delegates can vote for whichever candidate they want when the time comes, even if they happen to represent a portion of the population that doesn't support their choice. Case in point: the Democratic congresswoman that represents our district (Lynn Woolsey, ugh) pledged her support for Hillary in late December and our district as a whole went 50.9% to 41.7% in Obama's favor yesterday. Is a super-delegate elected? Because that sounds like a good reason to vote her out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
turnit643 Posted February 7, 2008 Share Posted February 7, 2008 Is a super-delegate elected? Because that sounds like a good reason to vote her out. Some super delegates hold elected positions (democratic congresspersons, democratic governors, any living former democratic presidents, vice presidents, speakers of the house, and senate majority leaders) and some are just party officials and other members of the democratic national convention. ... and yes, I agree it's another good reason to vote her out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaP'N GRuNGe Posted February 7, 2008 Share Posted February 7, 2008 I know, but eventually you have to pick someone. Imagine if NY and California were winner take all. Hillary would have the nomination in the bag because Obama won states with 6 people and 12 cows in them last night. Sounds like the typical Dem vs Rep November results... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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