LayLow Posted December 3, 2008 Share Posted December 3, 2008 NFL suspended Deuce McAllister, Saints DE Charles Grant, Saints DE Will Smith, Vikings DT Kevin Williams, Vikings DT Pat Williams, and Texans LS Brian Pittman for the final four games of the regular season for violating the league's steroid and related substances policy. Good thing Deuce already set the franchise record for scores because his NFL career may sadly be over. Pierre Thomas and Reggie Bush will continue to carry the load for New Orleans. The news primarily effects opposing rushers of Minnesota: Kevin Smith, Tim Hightower, and Michael Turner the next three weeks. Hugely upgrade their matchups. One or more of the players may seek legal action to delay the suspensions; we should find out the result of that appeal soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronco Billy Posted December 3, 2008 Share Posted December 3, 2008 Explain to me again how my drafting of the 2nd best FF scoring D in the 10th round was a mistake. Is MIN's D just going to quit playing now? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randall Posted December 3, 2008 Share Posted December 3, 2008 How about who wasted an earlier pick on Plax? 10th round for a dominating defense is a great pick imo. I like getting them anywhere after the 8th round. Stats wise they may be better because they'll be on the field more. Jared Allen, Winfield, Madieu Williams will have to turn up their play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronco Billy Posted December 3, 2008 Share Posted December 3, 2008 How about who wasted an earlier pick on Plax? Now that would be me wasting that 3rd rounder. TG for Lance Moore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Square Posted December 3, 2008 Share Posted December 3, 2008 Luckily I grabbed the Vikings defense off the WW after the owner who drafted them early (maybe 6th or 7th round) got impatient. My league scoring awards points for low yardage (vikings are only 7th in overall points) and it adds up pretty quickly so most teams carry 2 DSTs. The WW has trash left over and I was planning on starting the Vikes vs. Detroit in my first round. Luckily, I ended up with the top seed so I'm playing a weaker opponent but it could still end up costing me if the Vikings DST puts up 4-6 points instead of 15-20 against Detroit. Anyway (I'm sure you guys don't care about my personal league) I could see how taking an early pick and then having a great matchup could all go to pot during the playoffs if MN can't stop the run effectively. I wouldn't call it a waste...its more like having a great player get injured the week before the playoffs start. Its not a "wasted" pick but it does suck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Photobiz2 Posted December 3, 2008 Share Posted December 3, 2008 Even without the Williams' Wall....Don't you guys think that Minny D will still be top 10 defense this week against Detroit? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randall Posted December 3, 2008 Share Posted December 3, 2008 Now that would be me wasting that 3rd rounder. TG for Lance Moore. In Ladder I took Colston in the and Plax in the 4th. Fortunately I took Hixon early last week before any news came out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perchoutofwater Posted December 3, 2008 Share Posted December 3, 2008 It looks like this will also have a pretty major impact on the Saints pass rush. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SheikYerbuti Posted December 3, 2008 Share Posted December 3, 2008 Explain to me again how my drafting of the 2nd best FF scoring D in the 10th round was a mistake. Are you talking about this year? In my leagues they're 9th overall and 10th overall. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronco Billy Posted December 3, 2008 Share Posted December 3, 2008 Are you talking about this year? In my leagues they're 9th overall and 10th overall. I know I'm probably going to regret asking this, but why in the Seven Hells would I be talking about last year's MIN team (or any other year's for that matter) given the subject? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SheikYerbuti Posted December 3, 2008 Share Posted December 3, 2008 (edited) I know I'm probably going to regret asking this, but why in the Seven Hells would I be talking about last year's MIN team (or any other year's for that matter) given the subject? I know I'm probably going to regret asking this, but how in the Seven Hells are the Vikings 2nd overall this year in your league? Edited December 3, 2008 by SheikYerbuti Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Square Posted December 3, 2008 Share Posted December 3, 2008 I know I'm probably going to regret asking this, but how in the Seven Hells are the Vikings 2nd overall this year in your league? In one league I have, they are up to 7th overall but that's the highest I've seen them. BB must have some unique scoring in that league (maybe extra points for low rushing yards or something). Anyway, you two get a long or I'll stop this car right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronco Billy Posted December 3, 2008 Share Posted December 3, 2008 (edited) I know I'm probably going to regret asking this, but how in the Seven Hells are the Vikings 2nd overall this year in your league? Number of Punt Return TDs 6 points each Number of Kickoff Return TDs 6 points each Fumble Recoveries (from Opponent) 1 point each Interceptions Caught 1 point each Number of Blocked Field Goal TDs 6 points each Blocked Field Goals 3 points each Number of Blocked Punt TDs 6 points each Blocked Punts 3 points each Blocked Extra Points 1 point each Sacked a QB 1 point each Safeties 5 points each Offensive Points Against 0 10 pts Offensive Points Against 2-6 7 pts Offensive Points Against 7-13 5 pts Offensive Points Against 14-20 3 pts Offensive Points Against >20 0 pts Number of Defensive TDs 6 points each Edited December 3, 2008 by Bronco Billy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Square Posted December 3, 2008 Share Posted December 3, 2008 Number of Punt Return TDs 6 points eachNumber of Kickoff Return TDs 6 points each Fumble Recoveries (from Opponent) 1 point each Interceptions Caught 1 point each Number of Blocked Field Goal TDs 6 points each Blocked Field Goals 3 points each Number of Blocked Punt TDs 6 points each Blocked Punts 3 points each Blocked Extra Points 1 point each Sacked a QB 1 point each Safeties 5 points each Offensive Points Against 0 10 pts Offensive Points Against 2-6 7 pts Offensive Points Against 7-13 5 pts Offensive Points Against 14-20 3 pts Offensive Points Against >20 0 pts Number of Defensive TDs 6 points each Maybe they've had a few more safeties and blocked punts/field goals then the other teams. Those are the only ones I see that look different. Was it the Minnesota game when Orlovsky ran out of the back of the end zone? I fail to see how a safety is one point less than a defensive touchdown. I'd say most leagues do not award that many points (all my leagues have always been 2 points for a safety). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronco Billy Posted December 3, 2008 Share Posted December 3, 2008 I fail to see how a safety is one point less than a defensive touchdown. I'd say most leagues do not award that many points (all my leagues have always been 2 points for a safety). A safety can actually be more devastating than a D TD. The D scores 2 pts AND then the team's O gets the ball back in good field position after the free kick from the 20. A safety is a gigantic play in the course of a football game - getting both the score & the ball - and I've always wondered why FF leagues don't reward them more than the same as a 2 pt conversion after a TD (some leagues reward them less than sacks or fumble recoveries). They certainly have much greater value than 2 pts in a normal FF league. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Square Posted December 4, 2008 Share Posted December 4, 2008 A safety can actually be more devastating than a D TD. The D scores 2 pts AND then the team's O gets the ball back in good field position after the free kick from the 20. A safety is a gigantic play in the course of a football game - getting both the score & the ball - and I've always wondered why FF leagues don't reward them more than the same as a 2 pt conversion after a TD (some leagues reward them less than sacks or fumble recoveries). So a 99 yard kickoff return for a TD is a gigantic play in the course of a football game (momentum wise). As is a field goal block that is run back for a TD (a real 9-10 point swing instead of a "possible" swing with a safety). Or a sack on 4th down during a last minute drive in the 4th quarter is a more gigantic play than a sack with 25 minutes left to play when a team is probably going to punt. I wouldn't agree that it means we should give extra points. Offensively a 1 yard QB sneak scores 6 points the same way a Reggie Bush swing pass that dodges 5 people and beats someone to the corner scores 6 points. To me its just points. Placing extra value on "gigantic" plays because of momentum reeks of just tweaking rules in an attempt to make it more interesting. I don't really have a problem with it but asserting that they certainly have greater value in "normal" leagues seems a bit over the top. They certainly have much greater value than 2 pts in a normal FF league. [bill Clinton] Depends on the definition of "normal" [/bill Clinton]. We can try to check if more leagues score more than 2 points for a safety but I think you are wrong and the average league just leaves them alone. I'd assume you'd want to argue about it so you can post a thread with a poll if you want to check. I'm a little apathetic today so its up to you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronco Billy Posted December 4, 2008 Share Posted December 4, 2008 I'd assume you'd want to argue about it so you can post a thread with a poll if you want to check. I'm a little apathetic today so its up to you. Good idea Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
detlef Posted December 4, 2008 Share Posted December 4, 2008 (edited) Maybe they've had a few more safeties and blocked punts/field goals then the other teams. Those are the only ones I see that look different. Was it the Minnesota game when Orlovsky ran out of the back of the end zone? I fail to see how a safety is one point less than a defensive touchdown. I'd say most leagues do not award that many points (all my leagues have always been 2 points for a safety). My league awards 5 for safeties as well. Primarily because of scarcity and the fact that TOs are worth 3. Maybe D/ST TDs are undervalued by comparison or maybe safeties should only be worth 4. However, when I proposed raising safeties from 2 to 5 in my league, the rationale was that they should be worth more than a TO. None the less, and back to the point. Anyone who drafts a D as early as the 6th or 7th round deserves what they get. I've done the research and there is simply no consistent correlation between either last year's top Ds or those considered top Ds going into the season and what the top ones end up being. I compared both previous years and top 3 ADP for 5 straight years seeing how many finished in the top 10 the following season. The odds of doing so? 1 in 3. When you consider that there's about 30 teams in the league, that means having a 1 in 3 chance of finishing in the top 1/3 of the league means you're exactly average. The moral of the story? The correct time to take a D is either when you have absolutely no reason to believe any of the position players available will do better than any other or in back to back rounds before the last one where you take your kicker. In a 12 team or larger league, round 10 seems to fit the first criteria. Edited December 4, 2008 by detlef Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peepinmofo Posted December 4, 2008 Share Posted December 4, 2008 A safety can actually be more devastating than a D TD. The D scores 2 pts AND then the team's O gets the ball back in good field position after the free kick from the 20. A safety is a gigantic play in the course of a football game - getting both the score & the ball - and I've always wondered why FF leagues don't reward them more than the same as a 2 pt conversion after a TD (some leagues reward them less than sacks or fumble recoveries). They certainly have much greater value than 2 pts in a normal FF league. I have always asked myself this same question. Unfortunately, Ive never answered myself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronco Billy Posted December 4, 2008 Share Posted December 4, 2008 I have always asked myself this same question. Unfortunately, Ive never answered myself. I'd enjoy seeing your view in the spin off thread I started, peepin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LayLow Posted December 4, 2008 Author Share Posted December 4, 2008 Explain to me again how my drafting of the 2nd best FF scoring D in the 10th round was a mistake. Is MIN's D just going to quit playing now? Someone took him in the 8th in mine. Point being, if they sit the wiliams, you probably won't be happy with their output from here on out. Do you always have a dong up your arse? AIF Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SheikYerbuti Posted December 4, 2008 Share Posted December 4, 2008 Someone took him in the 8th in mine. Point being, if they sit the wiliams, you probably won't be happy with their output from here on out. I thought the real point is that the Vikes are the #2 Defense in exactly 1 league on earth, and Bronco drafted them in it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronco Billy Posted December 4, 2008 Share Posted December 4, 2008 Do you always have a dong up your arse? Stupid questions tend to make me testy. That has nothing to do with any when or where questions about any appliances, though. I am curious as to why you're curious about that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry Muto Posted December 4, 2008 Share Posted December 4, 2008 I wasted a high pick in SEVERAL leagues on either San Diego or Minn and SD has been waived off all my rosters since then. Meanwhile Pitt, Balt, NYG were all drafted WAY later then I took SD or MINN...NEVER AGAIN!!!!!!!!!! I will never again draft the top ranked DF they usually suck anyway. Every year Baltimore has been ranked high the last 4 years they have sucked and the years they were not ranked high they go undrafted sometimes and end up being great. NEVER AGAIN! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
detlef Posted December 4, 2008 Share Posted December 4, 2008 I wasted a high pick in SEVERAL leagues on either San Diego or Minn and SD has been waived off all my rosters since then. Meanwhile Pitt, Balt, NYG were all drafted WAY later then I took SD or MINN...NEVER AGAIN!!!!!!!!!! I will never again draft the top ranked DF they usually suck anyway. Every year Baltimore has been ranked high the last 4 years they have sucked and the years they were not ranked high they go undrafted sometimes and end up being great. NEVER AGAIN! Wow, bloom is seriously falling off the rose here. When Henry Muto is taking Ds early, there's truly nothing sacred. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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