CaP'N GRuNGe Posted March 9, 2009 Share Posted March 9, 2009 Same old Joe Lieberman... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tazinib1 Posted March 9, 2009 Share Posted March 9, 2009 Same old Joe Lieberman... That guy flips worse than a crack dealer busted in a drug sting. Disgusting how he continues to hold office. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perchoutofwater Posted March 9, 2009 Share Posted March 9, 2009 That guy flips worse than a crack dealer busted in a drug sting. Disgusting how he continues to hold office. Look where he is from. Half the people in his state can't decide what sexual orientation they are, so why should it surprise anyone that Lieberman can't decide which side of the fence to sit on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azazello1313 Posted March 9, 2009 Share Posted March 9, 2009 I dunno, his big difference with the democratic party establishment was iraq, but now that the surge has worked and both parties are essentially of the same mind on iraq, it's a lot easier for him to be a democrat again. just because he thought mccain was a more qualified candidate to be president than obama doesn't make him obliged to be a pain in obama's ass now. I sure wish he was though. I would've hoped and even expected that lieberman might have been one of the folks, like evan bayh and russ feingold, who are standing against obama's hard move to the left with his proposed budget. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ursa Majoris Posted March 9, 2009 Share Posted March 9, 2009 obama's hard move to the left Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azazello1313 Posted March 9, 2009 Share Posted March 9, 2009 how would you explain prominent obama supporters like bayh, david brooks, david gergen, christopher buckley et al jumping off the bandwagon? just about every prominent centrist who got behind obama is disappointed with the direction he is taking with this budget. even grunge, the biggest obama nutswinger on these boards before the election, is wringing his hands a bit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ursa Majoris Posted March 9, 2009 Share Posted March 9, 2009 (edited) how would you explain prominent obama supporters like bayh, david brooks, david gergen, christopher buckley et al jumping off the bandwagon? just about every prominent centrist who got behind obama is disappointed with the direction he is taking with this budget. even grunge, the biggest obama nutswinger on these boards before the election, is wringing his hands a bit. Here we are, six weeks from the inauguration and the last five have been nothing but sniping. Of course Brooks is off the bandwagon - he was never on it. Me? I'll give the guy a tad more than 40 days before I expect the Gulag Archinevada to be opened for the anti-socialists. Anyone would think we'd resurrected Mao. Really, it's just ludicrous the criticism being piled on. No-one has had to deal with any of this chit ever before, including FDR. We've been heading up chit creek riding a gigantic Ponzi scheme courtesy of Wall Street for 30 years and the old stuff isn't going to work any more. Let's see how this unfolds before throwing grenades. One thing we can be sure of from conservatives - if Obama's solutions work, none of it will be down to him. If they don't, it'll be his fault. Edited March 9, 2009 by Ursa Majoris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaP'N GRuNGe Posted March 10, 2009 Author Share Posted March 10, 2009 how would you explain prominent obama supporters like bayh, david brooks, david gergen, christopher buckley et al jumping off the bandwagon? just about every prominent centrist who got behind obama is disappointed with the direction he is taking with this budget. even grunge, the biggest obama nutswinger on these boards before the election, is wringing his hands a bit. Uh... None of the guys above were ever on a so called bandwagon. Bayh was a Hillary supporter. Brooks is a conservative who happens to have posted at least some positive things about Obama's potential pragmatic tendencies. Gergen is as non-partisan as you can get working for prior administrations bother blue and red. Chris Buckley is a conservative who like Brooks happens to have praised Obama a bit for pragmatism. As far as hand wringing goes, I've merely pointed out that Obama may not be approaching the tremendously difficult problems he faces in the right manner. I still truly believe that alot of the agenda (which hasn't changed by the way) needs to be addressed. I'm just not sure now is the time to tackle everything all at once. And unlike some of the right wing dittohead types around here, I'm goign to go ahead and be critical if I think something could be done better. I agree with alot of the folks who say that the banking mess has not been addressed forcefully enough. This is Obama's fault. He "bought the problems" even if he didn't create them. I'm hoping he and the country do not fail. I guess that right there divides real patriotism from the right wing "it's time for payback from all the Bush critcism we got for 8 years of his stupidity" crowd. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azazello1313 Posted March 10, 2009 Share Posted March 10, 2009 None of the guys above were ever on a so called bandwagon. Bayh was a Hillary supporter. Brooks is a conservative who happens to have posted at least some positive things about Obama's potential pragmatic tendencies. Gergen is as non-partisan as you can get working for prior administrations bother blue and red. Chris Buckley is a conservative who like Brooks happens to have praised Obama a bit for pragmatism. and they all backed obama in the election because, as you say, they thought he would govern as a pragmatic centrist. he was just "too smart" to do otherwise. now they are quite simply realizing they were wrong. if you somehow don't believe me on either score, I'm sure it wouldn't take long to dig up some before and after quotes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azazello1313 Posted March 10, 2009 Share Posted March 10, 2009 I guess that right there divides real patriotism from the right wing "it's time for payback from all the Bush critcism we got for 8 years of his stupidity" crowd. but dissent is the highest form of patriotism. seriously, dude....obama gets in and begins governing, even by your own agreeable measure, driving a little too hard on a partisan agenda...how the f*ck do you want people who vehemently disagree with that agenda to react to it? it's somehow dishonest "payback" to disagree with what he is trying to do? that is some weak sauce. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evil_gop_liars Posted March 10, 2009 Share Posted March 10, 2009 So lets get this straight. The far right hate Obama because he is to far left, the far left hate Obama because he is to far right and now the "centrist" hate Obama because he is to far from the center. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wiegie Posted March 10, 2009 Share Posted March 10, 2009 So lets get this straight. The far right hate Obama because he is to far left, the far left hate Obama because he is to far right and now the "centrist" hate Obama because he is to far from the center. weren't things easier when everybody just hated him because he was black? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azazello1313 Posted March 10, 2009 Share Posted March 10, 2009 more prominent supporters off the bandwagon.... warren buffett: BUFFETT: I think--I think a lot of things should be--job one is to win the war, job--the economic war, job two is to win the economic war, and job three. And you can't expect people to unite behind you if you're trying to jam a whole bunch of things down their throat. So I would--I would absolutely say for the--for the interim, till we get this one solved, I would not be pushing a lot of things that are--you know are contentious, and I also--I also would do no finger-pointing whatsoever. I would--you know, I would not say, you know, `George'--`the previous administration got us into this.' Forget it. I mean, you know, the Navy made a mistake at Pearl Harbor and had too many ships there. But the idea that we'd spend our time after that, you know, pointing fingers at the Navy, we needed the Navy. So I would--I would--I would--no finger-pointing, no vengeance, none of that stuff. Just look forward. ..[snip] ... BUFFETT: Well, I was going to mention to Joe that you've heard this comment recently from some Democrats recently that a `crisis is a terrible thing to waste.' BECKY: Yeah. BUFFETT: Now, just rephrase that and since it's, in my view, it's an economic war, and--I don't think anybody on December 7th would have said a `war is a terrible thing to waste, and therefore we're going to try and ram through a whole bunch of things and--but we expect to--expect the other party to unite behind us on the--on the big problem.' It's just a mistake, I think, when you've got one overriding objective, to try and muddle it up with a bunch of other things. jim cramer President Obama's team, unlike Bush's team, demonstrates a thinness of skin that shocks me. When I somewhat obviously and empirically judged that the populist Obama administration is exacerbating the crisis with its budget and policies, as evidenced by the incredible decline in the averages since his inauguration, I was met immediately with condescension and ridicule rather than constructive debate or even just benign dismissal. I said to myself, "What the heck? Are they really that blind to the Great Wealth Destruction they are causing with their decisions to demonize the bankers, raise taxes for the wealthy, advocate draconian cap-and-trade policies and upend the health care system? Do they really believe that only the rich own stocks? What do they think we have our retirement accounts in, CDs? Where did they think that the money saved for college went, our mattresses? Do they think the great middle class banks at the First National Bank of Sealy and only the wealthiest traffic in the Standard & Poor's 500?" and here's democratic senator evan bayh's WSJ op-ed for anyone who missed it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
driveby Posted March 10, 2009 Share Posted March 10, 2009 When I somewhat obviously and empirically judged that the populist Obama administration is exacerbating the crisis with its budget and policies, as evidenced by the incredible decline in the averages since his inauguration, I was met immediately with condescension and ridicule rather than constructive debate or even just benign dismissal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azazello1313 Posted March 10, 2009 Share Posted March 10, 2009 clearly, he is getting his marching orders from karl rove rush limbaugh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Front Row Posted March 12, 2009 Share Posted March 12, 2009 (edited) Look where he is from. Half the people in his state can't decide what sexual orientation they are, so why should it surprise anyone that Lieberman can't decide which side of the fence to sit on. troof Edited March 12, 2009 by Front Row Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cre8tiff Posted March 12, 2009 Share Posted March 12, 2009 Man , the right is even uglier in the harsh light of their well-earned irrelevance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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