Azazello1313 Posted September 1, 2009 Share Posted September 1, 2009 the smoke is blocking the view of the mountains from my office seriously, that must be one helluva fire to be this hazy a thousand-plus miles away. scary. I do hope they get a grip on this soon, and not so much to improve my view. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SheikYerbuti Posted September 1, 2009 Share Posted September 1, 2009 the smoke is blocking the view of the mountains from my office Of all the stories to not run a pic with. . . ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimC Posted September 1, 2009 Share Posted September 1, 2009 Could you imagine your car not passing the smog test this week in LA? Sooooo stoopid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perchoutofwater Posted September 1, 2009 Share Posted September 1, 2009 I hope the get the fires contained as soon as possible, and I hope that there are no more fatalities. Every time I see fires in California I ask myself how much of this could be avoided if they just weren't such tree huggers? You never see wild out of control fires anywhere else, or if you do, they are quickly put out. I've heard the Santa Ana winds being used as an excuse for years, but in this instance, based on all the reports I've read and watched, the wind isn't an issue, as it is relatively calm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pope Flick Posted September 1, 2009 Share Posted September 1, 2009 I hope the get the fires contained as soon as possible, and I hope that there are no more fatalities. Every time I see fires in California I ask myself how much of this could be avoided if they just weren't such tree huggers? You never see wild out of control fires anywhere else, or if you do, they are quickly put out. I've heard the Santa Ana winds being used as an excuse for years, but in this instance, based on all the reports I've read and watched, the wind isn't an issue, as it is relatively calm. And I'm curious - what is the answer you tell yourself? I work right on the other side of the National forest where this is, and the problem with it is the remoteness and steepness of the canyons, along with 60 years of unburnt brush. By the way: http://www.usatoday.com/weather/wildfires/...wildfires_N.htm There have been nearly 62,000 wildfires across the USA this year. No state has been hotter than Texas. A withering, two-year drought in central and southern Texas has sparked a wildfire season that has already destroyed the most structures in state history. The state has recorded more than twice as many wildfires — 13,083 — as the second-most-active state, California with 5,749, according to the National Interagency Fire Center. I love how you post before you think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimC Posted September 1, 2009 Share Posted September 1, 2009 Pope, I guess that proves Texans don't whine as much as Californians? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bushwacked Posted September 1, 2009 Share Posted September 1, 2009 I hope the get the fires contained as soon as possible, and I hope that there are no more fatalities. Every time I see fires in California I ask myself how much of this could be avoided if they just weren't such tree huggers? You never see wild out of control fires anywhere else, or if you do, they are quickly put out. I've heard the Santa Ana winds being used as an excuse for years, but in this instance, based on all the reports I've read and watched, the wind isn't an issue, as it is relatively calm. You've already shown you have very little clue about the causes and effects of wild-land fire behavior a couple years ago, not sure why you want to keep being the guy who always need to have an opinion no matter how ill-informed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pope Flick Posted September 1, 2009 Share Posted September 1, 2009 Pope, I guess that proves Texans don't whine as much as Californians? Perch is the one whining, while I'm breathing smoke. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tazinib1 Posted September 1, 2009 Share Posted September 1, 2009 Perch is the one whining, while I'm breathing smoke. Time to break out those swine flu masks. Stay safe up there Pope. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pope Flick Posted September 1, 2009 Share Posted September 1, 2009 My personal concern is nose bleeds. I got them big time in 2003 when San Diego nearly burnt down, and that was 150+miles away....I'd take a picture but it's so hazy today there's nothing to see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bpwallace49 Posted September 1, 2009 Share Posted September 1, 2009 I wish we could get a resolution condemning the California wildfires (and the Texan wildfires) and how much they are contributing to global warming . . . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmarc117 Posted September 1, 2009 Share Posted September 1, 2009 or just let the place burn. isnt that what people do to their cars when they cant pay for them? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bpwallace49 Posted September 1, 2009 Share Posted September 1, 2009 or just let the place burn. isnt that what people do to their cars when they cant pay for them? That is actually pretty funny . . . . . . but I think we let the insurance lapse on the state of california. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perchoutofwater Posted September 1, 2009 Share Posted September 1, 2009 And I'm curious - what is the answer you tell yourself? I work right on the other side of the National forest where this is, and the problem with it is the remoteness and steepness of the canyons, along with 60 years of unburnt brush. By the way: http://www.usatoday.com/weather/wildfires/...wildfires_N.htm I love how you post before you think. If there was some deforestation there wouldn't be that brush. I'm well aware of the wildfires we've had here in Texas. I'm also well aware most are put out easily and don't make the national news year after year after year. Could that be because we don't have 60 years of unburnt brush because we log our forests? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pope Flick Posted September 1, 2009 Share Posted September 1, 2009 If there was some deforestation there wouldn't be that brush. I'm well aware of the wildfires we've had here in Texas. I'm also well aware most are put out easily and don't make the national news year after year after year. Could that be because we don't have 60 years of unburnt brush because we log our forests? You tell me - you're the uninformed expert. Here's your definition of "put out easily" The deadliest year on record for Texas wildfires in terms of destruction and fatalities was 2006, when 3,000 wildfires consumed 1.56 million acres, led to 17 deaths and destroyed 519 structures. This year's wildfires have destroyed 545 structures and killed three people. Yeah, you guys are getting right on this stuff and minimizing damage quite well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bpwallace49 Posted September 1, 2009 Share Posted September 1, 2009 Perch just quit before you dig yourself deeper . . . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perchoutofwater Posted September 1, 2009 Share Posted September 1, 2009 You tell me - you're the uninformed expert. Here's your definition of "put out easily" Yeah, you guys are getting right on this stuff and minimizing damage quite well. What is the ration of structures destroyed per acre of total land mass for Texas and for California? Hell a pasture getting burnt doesn't really bother us too much, and in many cases it is beneficial so don't looking at the number of acres burnt is very misleading. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimC Posted September 1, 2009 Share Posted September 1, 2009 Where's the Federal Government to help? Why does Obama hate white people...and Mexicans? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bushwacked Posted September 1, 2009 Share Posted September 1, 2009 What is the ration of structures destroyed per acre of total land mass for Texas and for California? Hell a pasture getting burnt doesn't really bother us too much, and in many cases it is beneficial so don't looking at the number of acres burnt is very misleading. Yea, but apparently sage brush and chaparral scab lands burning on steep hills in arid Southern California happens primarily because of tree huggers. Yer not very smart. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pope Flick Posted September 1, 2009 Share Posted September 1, 2009 What is the ration of structures destroyed per acre of total land mass for Texas and for California? Hell a pasture getting burnt doesn't really bother us too much, and in many cases it is beneficial so don't looking at the number of acres burnt is very misleading. Again, why don't you tell me? Your definition of "put out easily" is somewhat lacking so I'm going to stop with guessing at what you mean, because you don't know yourself. Who said acreage anyways? The stats I pointed to discuss structures and deaths.You can change the subject all you want, eventually you might change it to something you know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
polksalet Posted September 1, 2009 Share Posted September 1, 2009 Bottom line is the hippies in Cali don't want to do any kind of fire control which involves cutting or burning a tree. WHen Texas burns it is primarily sage brush and mesquite trees. A couple of years ago a buddy of mine worked out there and he said the most financial damage was due to fences burning down. FWIW I am willing to compare my forestry credentials with anyone here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pope Flick Posted September 1, 2009 Share Posted September 1, 2009 Bottom line is the hippies in Cali don't want to do any kind of fire control which involves cutting or burning a tree. WHen Texas burns it is primarily sage brush and mesquite trees. A couple of years ago a buddy of mine worked out there and he said the most financial damage was due to fences burning down. FWIW I am willing to compare my forestry credentials with anyone here. That's fine and dandy, but isn't what Perch was trying to poitn out. His " we don't have out of control fires in Texas" has been backpedaled to "what's the ratio of land/acreage burned?" once it was pointed out how ignorant his statements are. Sure, "structures" are widely defined so I'm not clear on the bearings of "damage to structures" compared between states, but that wasn't the original topic, it was "Texas doesn't have fires like California" as an implication that they have LESS fires, when in fact they have MORE. One thing neither of you "experts" have mentioned is the difficulty in the difference in the terrain between Texas and California. While certainly not flat in total, with the exception of Austin and El Paso the large cities are in by and large flat areas (SA is borderline with the flat east Texas Forests and Central hill country) fighting fires in ravines and mountain passes (where people do live) is what makes the drama of these fires "better TV news viewing" than a large pasture on fire that Perch thinks dominate Texas fire issues, along with increasing the danger to the fighters, etc. But you Texans can go back to whining now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
A.T.a.M Posted September 1, 2009 Share Posted September 1, 2009 And I'm curious - what is the answer you tell yourself? I work right on the other side of the National forest where this is, and the problem with it is the remoteness and steepness of the canyons, along with 60 years of unburnt brush. By the way: http://www.usatoday.com/weather/wildfires/...wildfires_N.htm I love how you post before you think. So true... I mountain bike in the San Gabes (Well used to) and the terrain is very remote. The trails in some areas are very narrow and if you fall you fall off a clif. It is so sad what has happened to my wonderful playground Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
i_am_the_swammi Posted September 1, 2009 Share Posted September 1, 2009 it's pot burning. :pantstight: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azazello1313 Posted September 1, 2009 Author Share Posted September 1, 2009 Perch is the one whining, while I'm breathing smoke. just so I'm clear...."much of this could be avoided if they weren't such tree-huggers" is whining, and "I'm breathing smoke" is not? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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