Brentastic Posted January 10, 2010 Share Posted January 10, 2010 I knew the guy was messed up but this is a demented way to end it all: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/2010/01/07...rtie_lange.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whomper Posted January 10, 2010 Share Posted January 10, 2010 I really hope I am wrong because I love the Stern show and Artie but sadly I see a Belushi/Farley like ending for Artie one of these days. He just cant seem to handle his success and shake the demons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loaf Posted January 10, 2010 Share Posted January 10, 2010 wow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmarc117 Posted January 10, 2010 Share Posted January 10, 2010 (edited) suicide = cowardice* Edited January 10, 2010 by dmarc117 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caddyman Posted January 10, 2010 Share Posted January 10, 2010 I knew the guy was messed up but this is a demented way to end it all: http://www.nydailynews.com/news/2010/01/07...rtie_lange.html It's a shame.... He was not successful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fatman Posted January 10, 2010 Share Posted January 10, 2010 It's a shame.... He was not successful. Stay classy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bushwacked Posted January 10, 2010 Share Posted January 10, 2010 suicide = cowardice* It's a shame.... He was not successful. Two peas in a chivesy pod. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pope Flick Posted January 10, 2010 Share Posted January 10, 2010 I don't know - I have a certain disdain for people who try to end it willfully. And seeing as how he's made a very nice living bagging on people when they're down, he's left himself all types of bullseyes for him on this one. Unless he's an undiagnosed schizophrenic he really has no good reason to do what he did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riffraff Posted January 10, 2010 Share Posted January 10, 2010 I guess I'm a monster truck aficionado too. I think suicide is cowardly as well. Doesn't take much to buy a bus ticket out of town to somewhere else and start a new life. They're giving it all up by trying to end their life. May as well take a second chance elsewhere. This particular guy could have upgraded to a plane ticket to a new life. Caveat: it's also cowardly to not take care of any responsibilities that you may be leaving behind (such as children). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caddyman Posted January 10, 2010 Share Posted January 10, 2010 Two peas in a dooshy pod. Sorry honey...I could care less if this puke killed himself. You may return to your Golden Girl marathon now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmarc117 Posted January 10, 2010 Share Posted January 10, 2010 I don't know - I have a certain disdain for people who try to end it willfully. And seeing as how he's made a very nice living bagging on people when they're down, he's left himself all types of bullseyes for him on this one. Unless he's an undiagnosed schizophrenic he really has no good reason to do what he did. +1 yep. suicide is the coward's way out. except if there is a terminal illness involved. bla bla bla, ya life sucks sometimes but man up and deal with the problems and your responsibilities. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmarc117 Posted January 10, 2010 Share Posted January 10, 2010 Two peas in a dooshy pod. the good ole libs motto. when its tough, just cut and run. fruck it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buddahj Posted January 10, 2010 Share Posted January 10, 2010 this is messed up...but he wasn't somewhat famous i don't think anyone would care. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wiegie Posted January 10, 2010 Share Posted January 10, 2010 yep. suicide is the coward's way out. except if there is a terminal illness involved. I don't understand the exception here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
caddyman Posted January 10, 2010 Share Posted January 10, 2010 I don't understand the exception here. Yes you do. You may not agree with it, but you understand it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scooby Posted January 10, 2010 Share Posted January 10, 2010 mental illness/depression is a vastly complex and misunderstood disease I liken to cancer and just as deadly. when you're at your lowest, at the depths of dispair, your mind plays tricks on you, telling you you are not worth it. You simply are not able to be rational, the disease prevents this....factor in drug & alcohol abuse and this is a recipe for disaster. I should know all too well, my sister/best friend died of suicide in 2006, her final note detailed an emotional wreck of a person, and the depression was so deep, she felt hopeless. I don't consider her a coward at all, but my heart aches for the sorrow she felt in her life, and that I couldn't help her. We talked every day, about intimate things, I had truly no idea that she had taken a gun several wks earlier from my parents, only to use it 2 wks later....see, this disease is a silent killer, the person suffers in private, but tries to show the world all is fine. I hope Artie can find some help to get him out of this bind, it will be a lifelong journey, but God gave him a 2nd chance for a reason. God bless you all and I hope none of you have to endure the loss of a loved one like I did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wiegie Posted January 10, 2010 Share Posted January 10, 2010 Yes you do. You may not agree with it, but you understand it. Let's see: In one case a person kills himself to avoid pain and in the other case a person kills himself to avoid pain. I guess that clears things up the distinction for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wiegie Posted January 10, 2010 Share Posted January 10, 2010 mental illness/depression is a vastly complex and misunderstood disease I liken to cancer and just as deadly. when you're at your lowest, at the depths of dispair, your mind plays tricks on you, telling you you are not worth it. You simply are not able to be rational, the disease prevents this....factor in drug & alcohol abuse and this is a recipe for disaster. I should know all too well, my sister/best friend died of suicide in 2006, her final note detailed an emotional wreck of a person, and the depression was so deep, she felt hopeless. I don't consider her a coward at all, but my heart aches for the sorrow she felt in her life, and that I couldn't help her. We talked every day, about intimate things, I had truly no idea that she had taken a gun several wks earlier from my parents, only to use it 2 wks later....see, this disease is a silent killer, the person suffers in private, but tries to show the world all is fine. I hope Artie can find some help to get him out of this bind, it will be a lifelong journey, but God gave him a 2nd chance for a reason. God bless you all and I hope none of you have to endure the loss of a loved one like I did. I am extremely sorry for your loss and I think you are 100% correct with everything that you wrote. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jackass Posted January 10, 2010 Share Posted January 10, 2010 mental illness/depression is a vastly complex and misunderstood disease I liken to cancer and just as deadly. when you're at your lowest, at the depths of dispair, your mind plays tricks on you, telling you you are not worth it. You simply are not able to be rational, the disease prevents this....factor in drug & alcohol abuse and this is a recipe for disaster. I should know all too well, my sister/best friend died of suicide in 2006, her final note detailed an emotional wreck of a person, and the depression was so deep, she felt hopeless. I don't consider her a coward at all, but my heart aches for the sorrow she felt in her life, and that I couldn't help her. We talked every day, about intimate things, I had truly no idea that she had taken a gun several wks earlier from my parents, only to use it 2 wks later....see, this disease is a silent killer, the person suffers in private, but tries to show the world all is fine. I hope Artie can find some help to get him out of this bind, it will be a lifelong journey, but God gave him a 2nd chance for a reason. God bless you all and I hope none of you have to endure the loss of a loved one like I did. Yeah, i think some of the other posters are completely clueless on this topic. As you said mental illness is very complex and obviously misunderstood. There's no way to know what's going on in another person's head and to make a judgment that it's cowardly is pretty ignorant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bushwacked Posted January 10, 2010 Share Posted January 10, 2010 mental illness/depression is a vastly complex and misunderstood disease I liken to cancer and just as deadly. when you're at your lowest, at the depths of dispair, your mind plays tricks on you, telling you you are not worth it. You simply are not able to be rational, the disease prevents this....factor in drug & alcohol abuse and this is a recipe for disaster. I should know all too well, my sister/best friend died of suicide in 2006, her final note detailed an emotional wreck of a person, and the depression was so deep, she felt hopeless. I don't consider her a coward at all, but my heart aches for the sorrow she felt in her life, and that I couldn't help her. We talked every day, about intimate things, I had truly no idea that she had taken a gun several wks earlier from my parents, only to use it 2 wks later....see, this disease is a silent killer, the person suffers in private, but tries to show the world all is fine. I hope Artie can find some help to get him out of this bind, it will be a lifelong journey, but God gave him a 2nd chance for a reason. God bless you all and I hope none of you have to endure the loss of a loved one like I did. Very well stated Scoob. Sorry bout your loss. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmarc117 Posted January 10, 2010 Share Posted January 10, 2010 (edited) Yeah, i think some of the other posters are completely clueless on this topic. As you said mental illness is very complex and obviously misunderstood. There's no way to know what's going on in another person's head and to make a judgment that it's cowardly is pretty ignorant. youre right, i guess i dont understand it or dont believe in it. cowardice = lack of courage or resolution. its also very selfish. the pain and questions you leave those behind is bs. granted i have a very different experience to the cowardly act, so my beliefs will be different. Edited January 10, 2010 by dmarc117 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmarc117 Posted January 10, 2010 Share Posted January 10, 2010 I don't understand the exception here. where did i mention pain? if the end is all but written, i have no problem with someone ending it early. mental illness is hogwash. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bushwacked Posted January 10, 2010 Share Posted January 10, 2010 mental illness is hogwash. You are truly naive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riffraff Posted January 10, 2010 Share Posted January 10, 2010 Yeah, i think some of the other posters are completely clueless on this topic. As you said mental illness is very complex and obviously misunderstood. There's no way to know what's going on in another person's head and to make a judgment that it's cowardly is pretty ignorant. I guess I can throw out another caveat for my perspective: I am around mentally unstable people every day at work. My job entails getting them help. Got degrees, do studies, and all that jazz. However, the vast majority of them need help making change in their lives. Most people want the world to change around them instead of changing to meet the world. Sure there are plenty that can't function well in society and need more help than others, but we're not talking about that population since the topic is about a guy that has done pretty well in achieving societal success. When I wrote that they can get up and move, that means they can make a concerted effort to take control of their own lives and make a change. They can take themselves out of the situation (without taking their lives). The vast majority of people will never do this and keep doing what they choose to do. Sane or otherwise... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scooby Posted January 10, 2010 Share Posted January 10, 2010 I guess I can throw out another caveat for my perspective: I am around mentally unstable people every day at work. My job entails getting them help. Got degrees, do studies, and all that jazz. However, the vast majority of them need help making change in their lives. Most people want the world to change around them instead of changing to meet the world. Sure there are plenty that can't function well in society and need more help than others, but we're not talking about that population since the topic is about a guy that has done pretty well in achieving societal success. When I wrote that they can get up and move, that means they can make a concerted effort to take control of their own lives and make a change. They can take themselves out of the situation (without taking their lives). The vast majority of people will never do this and keep doing what they choose to do. Sane or otherwise... I see what you mean, but also there are so many hours in the day, while a depressed/mentally ill person could wake up and make a concerted effort to get out of bed, go on with the day's work, something later in the day could trigger the depressed person's negative thoughts/self-hatred, afterall the reason suicides happen (more often than none) is a lack of coping skills. The crack in the dam is there for Mr. Lange, I hear he has alot of guilty feelings about his dad's accident that he blames himself for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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