Perchoutofwater Posted April 9, 2010 Author Share Posted April 9, 2010 (edited) Payroll taxes, sales taxes, property taxes, etc. etc. etc. Why is Perch only focusing on one specific tax rather than a person's entire tax burden in general? Because with the exception of the payroll tax which most people don't realize they pay, everyone has a choice to a certain degree on what their tax burden will be based on their behavior. I can choose to live in a modest house and pay low property taxes or I can choose to live in a really nice house and pay higher property taxes. I can choose to buy my shoes and Payless and pay relatively little in taxes for them, or I can choose to buy Cole Haans and pay more in taxes on them. None of these choices effect my productivity. None of these choices make me dependent on others. With the income tax people are treated differently, not the same. In all other taxes people are treated the same. I'm a firm believer that if everyone over the poverty line payed the same in income tax, we would have a whole lot less federal spending, as people wouldn't stand for THEIR money being spend to the things the government spends money on. Since it really doesn't affect so many people , they continue to vote for people who are basically spending someone else's money, not their own. If we got away from a graduated income tax, we we would reduce spending and government would be more in line with what hit was originally intended to be, and we wouldn't have all this class war fare in politics. Since this would result in smaller government it would also mean that politicians wouldn't be able to dole out as many favors which would make them less likely to become corrupt, and more likely to put the best interest of the nation first. Edited April 9, 2010 by Perchoutofwater Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westvirginia Posted April 9, 2010 Share Posted April 9, 2010 Get rid of witholding and most of the sh!t that chaps productive peoples asses would stop tomorrow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perchoutofwater Posted April 9, 2010 Author Share Posted April 9, 2010 Get rid of witholding and most of the sh!t that chaps productive peoples asses would stop tomorrow. That is probably true, but if all mean were treated equally and taxed equally you can be assured that would happen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duchess Jack Posted April 9, 2010 Share Posted April 9, 2010 Is this about Perch getting a paycheck from his dad? Hey! Perch's dad made him work for a paycheck. So he is no different than people who have to work for a paycheck, do not have the owner's ear, do not have an advocate if some tool bullies them and do not have any job security. He had to work! Having worked for his dad as a kid - he now has the luxury to play seven degrees of Barak Obama all day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perchoutofwater Posted April 9, 2010 Author Share Posted April 9, 2010 Hey! Perch's dad made him work for a paycheck. So he is no different than people who have to work for a paycheck, do not have the owner's ear, do not have an advocate if some tool bullies them and do not have any job security. He had to work! Having worked for his dad as a kid - he now has the luxury to play seven degrees of Barak Obama all day. You don't know me, you don't know how hard or how little I work, yet you attack me personally rather than my arguments. Typical liberal. When your ideas don't hold up to the light of day you attack those that disagree with you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bushwacked Posted April 9, 2010 Share Posted April 9, 2010 (edited) you don't know how hard or how little I work, I think we all got a pretty good idea. Does the Huddle pay you money for posting about Obama in their forums? Edited April 9, 2010 by bushwacked Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westvirginia Posted April 9, 2010 Share Posted April 9, 2010 I think we all got a pretty good idea. Does the Huddle pay you money for posting about Obama in their forums? And you're post count would be? (psst - and you don't even own the company for which you work). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evil_gop_liars Posted April 9, 2010 Share Posted April 9, 2010 Hey! Perch's dad made him work for a paycheck. So he is no different than people who have to work for a paycheck, do not have the owner's ear, do not have an advocate if some tool bullies them and do not have any job security. He had to work! Having worked for his dad as a kid - he now has the luxury to play seven degrees of Barak Obama all day. I think we all got a pretty good idea. Does the Huddle pay you money for posting about Obama in their forums? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paulzale Posted April 9, 2010 Share Posted April 9, 2010 (edited) Get rid of withholding, great idea, but people don't save any money as it is and the jails would be over loaded with people who can't pay. Flat federal income tax of around 17-22 percent would increase the federal budget, simplify taxes and be fair to all those above the poverty line. I don't know that you can set the poverty line and expect those below it to not have the flat screens, nice cars, flashy clothing, tattoos, etc. In my experience they have more of these things than I do, but can't afford their medical bills, dental bills, car maintenance, and on and on because the spend every paycheck! Don't get me started. Flat tax and a balanced budget by the Feds would solve a bunch, wish the American population was responsible enough to not have the withholdings taken from their paychecks as that would truly change our government Edited April 9, 2010 by paulzale Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perchoutofwater Posted April 9, 2010 Author Share Posted April 9, 2010 And you're post count would be? (psst - and you don't even own the company for which you work). About 500 higher than mine, and he has been here exactly one month less than I have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WaterMan Posted April 9, 2010 Share Posted April 9, 2010 So what the article is saying is that people's wages are too low for them to pay taxes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ursa Majoris Posted April 9, 2010 Share Posted April 9, 2010 So what the article is saying is that people's wages are too low for them to pay taxes. I've been trying to make that point several times. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WaterMan Posted April 9, 2010 Share Posted April 9, 2010 Maybe when Texas is their own nation they can put all the poor people in jail. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duchess Jack Posted April 9, 2010 Share Posted April 9, 2010 You don't know me, you don't know how hard or how little I work, yet you attack me personally rather than my arguments. Typical liberal. When your ideas don't hold up to the light of day you attack those that disagree with you. I'm sorry. Did I attack you? You've stated several times that you've recieved zero benefits from working for your dad's company when it has been suggested that you might not understand the extra oppertunities you have been afforded in relation to your understanding of people not in your position. That's kind of what I said, right? No different than a normal person who works for their paycheck? Or are you upset that I suggested that you are now afforded ample time to play 7 degrees of Obama all day? Clearly I am not saying you do this every minute of every day - but often enough to pollute the board on the pretty consistant basis. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perchoutofwater Posted April 9, 2010 Author Share Posted April 9, 2010 (edited) I'm sorry. Did I attack you? You've stated several times that you've recieved zero benefits from working for your dad's company when it has been suggested that you might not understand the extra oppertunities you have been afforded in relation to your understanding of people not in your position. That's kind of what I said, right? No different than a normal person who works for their paycheck? Or are you upset that I suggested that you are now afforded ample time to play 7 degrees of Obama all day? Clearly I am not saying you do this every minute of every day - but often enough to pollute the board on the pretty consistant basis. I started working in the field every summer when I was 13. I paid my own way through college. For the first five years or so I averaged about a job offer a month from competing firms willing to pay me more than I made. Since I jointed the business 14 years ago, revenues have almost tripled. I have earned my position and yet you who do not know me, but just happen to not like my politics insinuate otherwise. I've never claimed that there were zero benefits working for my fathers company, there have been several, but not the ones you think. Unlike you have insinuated, my father was very careful to avoid the appearance of nepotism. I was always the lowest paid at whatever position I happened to be working at the time, and that held true right up until I started buying him out. I was the one that always got the dirtiest, hardest jobs when in the field and the most cut up PIA jobs in the office. The benefit I got was the same benefit anyone with a good role model has. I was instilled with a good work ethic. Sure I'll screw off when there isn't much to do, but I'll also work however long it take to take care of what ever the problem is. My first 7 years in the office I took a total of two weeks vacation. When my first child was born, I only got to see her one day a week for the first six months of her life because I was responsible for rebuilding most of school district after a tornado demolitions 65% of the district, and they had to be open the fall. Did I mention that when she was 3 months old she had surgery on her kidney and bladder, and that while I missed that one day, I was driving back to the jobsite that night? That nearly caused me to get a divorce. Yes there were benefits, but it was more the benefit of growing up around it. When I was in college I knew what the professors were talking about because I'd seen it in the field during the summers I'd worked. Just like anyone else I had the earn the respect of those I worked with, and if anything your misplaced attitude proves just how hard it is to earn the employees respect as the bosses kid. Now that I have bought out dad, and have earned the respect of the employees I don't have to work hard when we are not busy. I take more vacations, because I delegate some work. Now my work comes in spurts. Sometimes I'm real busy, and sometimes I wonder why i even go into the office. Things are slow right now as a result of the economy. This week while I might be at the office for 35 hours I'm probably only really worked for 10. I'd love to manufacture more work, because that would mean more money, but unfortunately it's just not there. The only way I can get more work right now would be to fire someone and take on their work load. That seems sort of short sighted. Right now I'm only seeing over two projects (one of which is the 5th larges religious facility in the state of Texas. Ideally I would be seeing after 4 projects and I've seen after as many as 6 before. I have quite a bit of spare time on my hands until those projects start wrapping which for one will start happening next month. The first three weeks of next month I'll be insanely busy, and you won't have to worry about me posting about Obama or much of anything else because I'll be too busy to do so. Come June though unless the stimulus plan really starts working, I'm going to basically be doing nothing as my projects are coming to an end. Anyway I digress. You insinuate that somehow I didn't earn my position which is insulting and shows you know nothing about me or my business. Why don't you try to keep the comments on the topic at hand instead of trying to insult someone who disagrees with your political views. Edited April 9, 2010 by Perchoutofwater Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bushwacked Posted April 9, 2010 Share Posted April 9, 2010 Did I attack you? I've never understood why some of those most fortunate spend so much time and effort whining about being a victim. Victims of everything, victim of the tax code, victim of unions, victim of Socialist politicians, victims of welfare moms, victims of their own religion, victim of reverse racism, victims of a million situations and/or conspiracies that are slim on basis and haphazardly attributed to a few simplistic scapegoats. There must be some subconscious mechanism that happens to those born into an completely advantageous situation that makes them focus their life on playing the victim card with the same consistency and tenacity guys like Jessee Jackson and Al Sharpton play the race card. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ursa Majoris Posted April 9, 2010 Share Posted April 9, 2010 I've never understood why some of those most fortunate spend so much time and effort whining about being a victim. Victims of everything, victim of the tax code, victim of unions, victim of Socialist politicians, victims of welfare moms, victims of their own religion, victim of reverse racism, victims of a million situations and/or conspiracies that are slim on basis and haphazardly attributed to a few simplistic scapegoats. There must be some subconscious mechanism that happens to those born into an completely advantageous situation that makes them focus their life on playing the victim card with the same consistency and tenacity guys like Jessee Jackson and Al Sharpton play the race card. I'm not convinced this is a disease of the fortunate so much as a disease of the gullible. Seems to me the ones who consider themselves "victims" the most are the ones most susceptible to the drivel being spouted by Limbaugh, Jackson, Beck, Sharpton and Dobbs, to name a few. More often than not, victim = sheep. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evil_gop_liars Posted April 9, 2010 Share Posted April 9, 2010 I think DJ has Perch confused with Paris Hilton... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perchoutofwater Posted April 9, 2010 Author Share Posted April 9, 2010 I'm not convinced this is a disease of the fortunate so much as a disease of the gullible. Seems to me the ones who consider themselves "victims" the most are the ones most susceptible to the drivel being spouted by Limbaugh, Jackson, Beck, Sharpton and Dobbs, to name a few. More often than not, victim = sheep. And form 2000 to 2008 you Bushwacked and several of the other liberals on this board were "victims" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bushwacked Posted April 10, 2010 Share Posted April 10, 2010 And form 2000 to 2008 you Bushwacked and several of the other liberals on this board were "victims" Yes, its not you, its you being a victim of the double standard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brewer Posted April 10, 2010 Share Posted April 10, 2010 Well, if you think that is disgusting......... This must make you sick The Government Accountability Office said 72 percent of all foreign corporations and about 57 percent of U.S. companies doing business in the United States paid no federal income taxes for at least one year between 1998 and 2005. They are stealing from you all!!!!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evil_gop_liars Posted April 10, 2010 Share Posted April 10, 2010 Well, if you think that is disgusting.........This must make you sick The Government Accountability Office said 72 percent of all foreign corporations and about 57 percent of U.S. companies doing business in the United States paid no federal income taxes for at least one year between 1998 and 2005. They are stealing from you all!!!!!!! [perch] If they lowered the tax rate they would gladly pay them [perch] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ursa Majoris Posted April 10, 2010 Share Posted April 10, 2010 And form 2000 to 2008 you Bushwacked and several of the other liberals on this board were "victims" I've never been a victim of anything nor anyone. Au contraire, I've been doing very nicely for years, Bush or no Bush. I just detest the Republicans with a passion, that's all, because their greed, myopia, gullibility, "po-liddle-me" attitude and stupidity knows no limits. It's you that is constantly whining about things that haven't happened and predicting the end of the world because some extra people can go to the doctor like they can in every other civilized country. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perchoutofwater Posted April 10, 2010 Author Share Posted April 10, 2010 I've never been a victim of anything nor anyone. Au contraire, I've been doing very nicely for years, Bush or no Bush. I just detest the Republicans with a passion, that's all, because their greed, myopia, gullibility, "po-liddle-me" attitude and stupidity knows no limits. It's you that is constantly whining about things that haven't happened and predicting the end of the world because some extra people can go to the doctor like they can in every other civilized country. Interesting. I detest liberals for the same reason you hate Republicans, though I'd add envy to you list. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gilthorp Posted April 10, 2010 Share Posted April 10, 2010 (edited) Is this about Perch getting a paycheck from his dad? Nah...probably something about the comp'd work truck as well. ETA: after reading all the posts, I must say...congrats on doing wonders with daddy's company. Good job! Edited April 10, 2010 by gilthorp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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