Oil still spilling Obama says "keep drilling!"

[rattsass]

I think Ratsass is well on the way to clinching the coveted Worst Tailgate Debater Award.

Oh, this is a debate? I thought it was just a free exchange of ideas and thoughts. I'm not trying to win any arguments. I could care less if you value my opinion or throw it in the waste-basket.

 

I started the thread because I am so pissed off about this oil disaster that I am seeing red. We were lied to from the beginning about the extent of the spill. We have a president that is allegedly so worried about the environment that he is willing to let world governments tax the very air we breathe, yet under his watch the single biggest environmental catastophe in the history of mankind continues.

 

I guess only I see the hypocricy.

 

Someone mentioned the elections in the thread. I responded with a theory, and expounded on that theory when queried.

 

I'm not trying to win any debate. I am in an indefensable position. I hold beliefs that nobody wants to hear. Nobody wants to believe. Fine. My duty is done. I have given you the keys to understanding. If you choose to remain in the dark that is perfectly fine and I don't blame you one bit.

 

I shall leave you all to argue whether the Reps or Dems are the very best criminals you should be devoted to and spend your life defending. Carry on.

[bpwallace49]

William Cooper - Behold a Pale Horse. Read it. It is in there.

 

You are chitting me . . right?

[Square]

Couple thoughts...

And the guns certainly must be taken away before the plan meets fruition.

I've never really had a horse in the gun debate so I'm a little apathetic about the cause but here is my question. Why do some pro gun people assume that the guns they have would really provide a defense? I mean, if we were to be taken over by some government agency (picture lots of black helicopters here), what are the handful of hunting rifles and one AK going to do against that? Even Perch and West Virginia (both of whom can draw down without spillin their moonshine) wouldn't really put up a good fight against a real military takeover (just my opinion, no offense... thems not fightin words). Anyway, I guess I've just never really gotten that. You'd have to be a big time gun nut to even have similar hardware. And even a well armed militia wouldn't last very long against the US military. We spend more on our military than every other country combined remember? I guess I don't have a point with this, it's just always been blurry to me why people feel that armed hunters are some kind of counterbalance to a military take over.

 

Yes, you have been properly trained by your masters.

Meh, I think people are busy and lazy. That has more to do with the "sound byte" society than some Pavlovian response to our conditioning.

[rattsass]

You are chitting me . . right?

Well, he is not an American hero like Burt Reynolds or anything. But he did correctly predict 911 in June of 2001, and he did say Bin Laden would be blamed for the strike, and he was murdered in November 2001 as our country was in the process of slashing civil liberties in the name of "war on terror." But nobody wants to hear about any of this nonsense. Just pretend I never brought it up. Everything is just fine.

[westvirginia]

Couple thoughts...

 

I've never really had a horse in the gun debate so I'm a little apathetic about the cause but here is my question. Why do some pro gun people assume that the guns they have would really provide a defense? I mean, if we were to be taken over by some government agency (picture lots of black helicopters here), what are the handful of hunting rifles and one AK going to do against that? Even Perch and West Virginia (both of whom can draw down without spillin their moonshine) wouldn't really put up a good fight against a real military takeover (just my opinion, no offense... thems not fightin words). Anyway, I guess I've just never really gotten that. You'd have to be a big time gun nut to even have similar hardware. And even a well armed militia wouldn't last very long against the US military. We spend more on our military than every other country combined remember? I guess I don't have a point with this, it's just always been blurry to me why people feel that armed hunters are some kind of counterbalance to a military take over.

 

Meh, I think people are busy and lazy. That has more to do with the "sound byte" society than some Pavlovian response to our conditioning.

 

In a straight battle you'd be right, but when the rebels are mixed with the citizens, it's a different story. Look at how much trouble we've had in Iraq and Afghanistan. And in both of those cases the people are with us. Look at the Afghans when the Soviets invaded. Look at the Warsaw Ghetto uprising during WWII. There are plenty of other examples as well. If the US military could bomb, strafe and fight indiscriminately then you're right and small arms don't make a difference. But they wouldn't be able to do that in modern-day Texas, California, etc, right?

[CaP'N GRuNGe]

In a straight battle you'd be right, but when the rebels are mixed with the citizens, it's a different story. Look at how much trouble we've had in Iraq and Afghanistan. And in both of those cases the people are with us. Look at the Afghans when the Soviets invaded. Look at the Warsaw Ghetto uprising during WWII. There are plenty of other examples as well. If the US military could bomb, strafe and fight indiscriminately then you're right and small arms don't make a difference. But they wouldn't be able to do that in modern-day Texas, California, etc, right?

 

Sorry, but the American public is not by and large conditioned for fighting. We are soft and we are proud of it.

[Perchoutofwater]

In a straight battle you'd be right, but when the rebels are mixed with the citizens, it's a different story. Look at how much trouble we've had in Iraq and Afghanistan. And in both of those cases the people are with us. Look at the Afghans when the Soviets invaded. Look at the Warsaw Ghetto uprising during WWII. There are plenty of other examples as well. If the US military could bomb, strafe and fight indiscriminately then you're right and small arms don't make a difference. But they wouldn't be able to do that in modern-day Texas, California, etc, right?

 

+1 I'd also dare say that some of us are armed much better than the insurgents in Iraq and Afghanistan. If an army and a people had the will to wipe everything out, then small arms would be useless, but otherwise, they can cause a whole lot of damage. I'm comfortable with my hunting rifle up to about 600 yards. Sure that is a lot less than an army sniper, but all that means is I need to pick terrain that has maximum shots at around 500 yards and we are basically even. If I know the terrain better then I have an advantage.

[Perchoutofwater]

Sorry, but the American public is not by and large conditioned for fighting. We are soft and we are proud of it.

 

Speak for yourself Nancy. My belly may be a little soft, but that is about it, and that wouldn't last long if we were at war.

[wildcat2334]

+1 I'd also dare say that some of us are armed much better than the insurgents in Iraq and Afghanistan. If an army and a people had the will to wipe everything out, then small arms would be useless, but otherwise, they can cause a whole lot of damage. I'm comfortable with my hunting rifle up to about 600 yards. Sure that is a lot less than an army sniper, but all that means is I need to pick terrain that has maximum shots at around 500 yards and we are basically even. If I know the terrain better then I have an advantage.

 

 

you people are delusional................watched Red Dawn much?

 

my money is on the trained sniper

[CaP'N GRuNGe]

Speak for yourself Nancy. My belly may be a little soft, but that is about it, and that wouldn't last long if we were at war.

 

Meh. We'd try of course. But to compare us to somebody like the Aghan people whose very existence has involved violence for years is ridiculous.

[Azazello1313]

I think Ratsass is well on the way to clinching the coveted Worst Tailgate Debater Award.

Just to recap:

In a thread that he started about the political ramifications of the Gulf Spill, while decrying the politicizing of the disaster, Obama is a socialist who is NOT sufficiently regulating private enterprise, but will get his comeuppance in these upcoming elections that are so totally and completely rigged that the opposition party (that one might note has been pretty damn oppositional this last year and a half) was willing to commit political suicide in the last election to get Obama elected.

'zat about sum it up?

 

also...our elected leaders are incompetent buffoons, yet at the same time part of a massive global new world order conspiracy that controls everything that happens but has so far avoided detection of everybody except truthers, JFK crackpots and that ilk, who happen to be the only ones willing to look beyond the lies.

[SEC=UGA]

Meh. We'd try of course. But to compare us to somebody like the Aghan people whose very existence has involved violence for years is ridiculous.

 

You don't know where I'm from...

[Big John]

You don't know where I'm from...

DeKalb County

[CaP'N GRuNGe]

You don't know where I'm from...

 

You're probably an agent of the shadow government here to spy on us.

[Perchoutofwater]

Meh. We'd try of course. But to compare us to somebody like the Aghan people whose very existence has involved violence for years is ridiculous.

 

The preacher man says it’s the end of time

And the Mississippi River she’s a goin’ dry

The interest is up and the Stock Markets down

And you only get mugged

If you go down town

 

I live back in the woods, you see

A woman and the kids, and the dogs and me

I got a shotgun rifle and a 4-wheel drive

And a country boy can survive

Country folks can survive

 

I can plow a field all day long

I can catch catfish from dusk till dawn

We make our own whiskey and our own smoke too

Ain’t too many things these ole boys can’t do

We grow good ole tomatoes and homemade wine

And a country boy can survive

Country folks can survive

 

Because you can’t starve us out

And you cant makes us run

Cause one-of- ‘em old boys raisin ole shotgun

And we say grace and we say Ma’am

And if you ain’t into that we don’t give a damn

 

We came from the West Virginia coalmines

And the Rocky Mountains and the and the western skies

And we can skin a buck; we can run a trot-line

And a country boy can survive

Country folks can survive

 

I had a good friend in New York City

He never called me by my name, just hillbilly

My grandpa taught me how to live off the land

And his taught him to be a businessman

He used to send me pictures of the Broadway nights

And I’d send him some homemade wine

 

But he was killed by a man with a switchblade knife

For 43 dollars my friend lost his life

Id love to spit some beechnut in that dudes eyes

And shoot him with my old 45

Cause a country boy can survive

Country folks can survive

 

Cause you can’t starve us out and you can’t make us run

Cause one-of- ‘em old boys raisin ole shotgun

And we say grace and we say Ma’am

And if you ain’t into that we don’t give a damn

 

We’re from North California and south Alabam

And little towns all around this land

And we can skin a buck; we can run a trot-line

And a country boy can survive

Country folks can survive

 

 

All kidding aside, we would probably be better armed than the Afghans. At least quite few of us would be.

[Dr. Sacrebleu]

also...our elected leaders are incompetent buffoons, yet at the same time part of a massive global new world order conspiracy that controls everything that happens but has so far avoided detection of everybody except truthers, JFK crackpots and that ilk, who happen to be the only ones willing to look beyond the lies.

thanks. Forgotten that one.

[HowboutthemCowboys]

I can plow a field all day long

I call bullcrap. That is unless you have a laptop along to access the Huddle boards.

[Perchoutofwater]

I call bullcrap. That is unless you have a laptop along to access the Huddle boards.

 

It says I can, it doesn't say I want to, or for that matter do.

[Ursa Majoris]

In a straight battle you'd be right, but when the rebels are mixed with the citizens, it's a different story. Look at how much trouble we've had in Iraq and Afghanistan. And in both of those cases the people are with us.

Um.....I don't think so.

[Square]

I'm comfortable with my hunting rifle up to about 600 yards. Sure that is a lot less than an army sniper, but all that means is I need to pick terrain that has maximum shots at around 500 yards and we are basically even. If I know the terrain better then I have an advantage.

This kind of thinking is what I find interesting about this topic. I don't know much about TNWO, but I'm assuming if they can get two political parties to purposely throw a couple of elections, they aren't thinking about sending one guy out to take you out in your backyard (or give you some kind of warning if they were going to). So I'd guess even if you had the advantage, it would only make them send several people for you instead of one. WV makes a good point about having people mixed in with a taken over society, but I think (as in similar to the two wars going on) bomb making would be probably as much of a deterrent/weapon as small fire arms. And even if that is the case, (from what little I've read on the subject) most IEDs are made of artillery shells. I don't know many hunting enthusiasts that have that kind of firepower. I guess this is all speculation so there is no real point to getting into serious tactical discussions about it. I just figure it is unlikely if the doomsday conspiracy of our nation being overtaken is anywhere near correct. It feels like people have Rambo fantasies and the guns help them sleep better at night (and I can't blame them for that). I just can't get my mind around it being a real counterbalance with our military. I think we'd have to hope for a military revolt or citizens would ransack some small military institutions (with hunting rifles) and start guerrilla warfare

[Perchoutofwater]

Square,

 

Explosives are pretty easy to make. I had a wiz kid friend in high school that was just playing around with crap in his garage and made a bomb that put a 10' diameter crater in the ground. It wouldn't be all that hard. Sure you don't have artillery shells (I actually have two disarmed ones I use as paper weights my grandfather brought back form WWII), but you have things like fire extinguisher, propane tanks, or for that matter just pipes. I've never made one, and don't intend to, but it wouldn't be all that hard if you were properly motivated to do so.

[CaP'N GRuNGe]

Homeland security is now monitoring this thread. Janet Napolitano will be knocking on Perch's door any minute now...

[Perchoutofwater]

Homeland security is now monitoring this thread. Janet Napolitano will be knocking on Perch's door any minute now...

 

As I've said, I've never made a bomb and do not intend to ever do so. I'm just pointing out that it wouldn't be all that hard for someone with a rudimentary knowledge of chemistry and a little ingenuity. Heck, I've never searched it but I bet you could find all you need to know on Al Gore's wonder invention.

[SEC=UGA]

As I've said, I've never made a bomb and do not intend to ever do so. I'm just pointing out that it wouldn't be all that hard for someone with a rudimentary knowledge of chemistry and a little ingenuity. Heck, I've never searched it but I bet you could find all you need to know on Al Gore's wonder invention.

 

DISCLAIMER

[Ursa Majoris]

As I've said, I've never made a bomb and do not intend to ever do so. I'm just pointing out that it wouldn't be all that hard for someone with a rudimentary knowledge of chemistry and a little ingenuity. Heck, I've never searched it but I bet you could find all you need to know on Al Gore's wonder invention.

If the primitive maniacs that make up Al-Qaeda and the Taliban can do it, it is not beyond the wit of anyone.