UFC 116

[budlitebrad]

What an awesome PPV. If you didn't buy it, I'd recommend catching a replay or watching it on the net somewhere.

 

Gotta give Lesnar credit for taking Carwin's best shots and coming back to beat him, with an arm triangle no less. I never would have called him getting submission of the night. Impressive win after a year off and his game is clearly improving.

 

Also loved seeing Leben submit Akiyama with under a minute left in the fight. Akiyama was gassed, but he might have sneaked out a win if it went to the judges.

Edited July 4, 2010 by budlitebrad

[darin3]

I am the furthest thing from an MMA fan, but I had the opportunity to hang out with the boyfriend (and his buddy) of one of my wife's best girlfriends tonight (make sense?), and we hit up a local watering hole for the event tonight. I had been to this bar a few times before, and those times, I was one of maybe 10-11 people in there. Tonight, the place was packed, they charged $5 to get in, and it was rockin' and rollin'.

 

The last time I saw a UFC PPV was on accident, just before my wedding in Louisiana when my stepfather-in-law took me out for a surprise bachelor party. So... 3+ years ago? And yeah, that was on accident.

 

But I must say... that was hella entertaining. The fight just before the main event was ridiculous. I may convert.

[Big Country]

Well worth the cost of the PPV and what I lost playing cards with the guys afterwards. Every main card fight lived up to or went beyond expectations.

 

Also helped that I put together a killer spread for the fights

[Dallas Sooner]

I gotta admit I never saw anyone punking Brock like Carwin did last night. Ive seen refs end fights with much less abuse than Lesnar faced, and Lesnar was trying to say he was letting Carwin gas himself so he could win later, that strategy could have cost him the fight several times, while his face was being abused. Carwin simply ran outta gas after that 1st round. when Lesnar was able to mount Carwin in round 2, I thought it was over then. But Lesnar couldnt do much damage to Carwin until the choke. Im convinced Carwin can beat lesnar now, and carwin is legit. His conditioning needs improvement, as he has never been pushed past round 1 before, and that beating he put on Lesnar cost him the fight when he couldnt finish him.

 

Id loves to see this fight again.

 

There was a brawl at the Buffalo Wild Wings I was out, as this drunk dude fell back on a table behind him and spilt beers all over these 2 girls. The guys with those girls broke 2 different tables knocking these dudes out, on top of them. My son was scared to death, and I couldnt believe what I was seeing in a packed house at BWW. 9 squad cars were on the scene in a matter of minutes and 6 dudes went to jail. Gotta say the fireworks started early in my home town.

Edited July 5, 2010 by Dallas Sooner

[Dallas Sooner]

For those who missed the fight, here are the highlights

 

http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=5353427&a...egoryid=2378529

 

WOW, even more impressive the 2nd time I saw this.

[theprofessor]

I have seen a lot of MMA fights and I have to say that the officiating last night was very different from what I have seen before? I have never seen a fight before not get called when one man is down, getting hit continously and not defending himself. Lesnar was on his back and at times curled up in a ball with both hands covering his head and making no effort to defend himself. Yet, the referee let it continue? It goes against the intent of the rule that the UFC has? Also, on the undercard there was a fight (can't remember the names) where the fighter hit the other 24 times while the fighter was not defending himself yet, it took forever for the referee to stop the fight? IMO, the UFC needs to address it ...... I don't mind the fight continuing I guess, but there needs to be some consistency.

 

You could tell that Carwin was done with 1:00 minute left in the first round. Absolutely done. I thought it was pathetic that a guy with his record and his status had no stamina whatsoever. Inexecusable to be absoultely done after 2 minutes? Cardio ...... none? Lesnar showed that his belt is temporary and that he is very beatable and Cain Valasquez has the cardio and the stand up to do it.

[piratesownninjas]

I gotta admit I never saw anyone punking Brock like Carwin did last night. Ive seen refs end fights with much less abuse than Lesnar faced, and Lesnar was trying to say he was letting Carwin gas himself so he could win later, that strategy could have cost him the fight several times, while his face was being abused. Carwin simply ran outta gas after that 1st round. when Lesnar was able to mount Carwin in round 2, I thought it was over then. But Lesnar couldnt do much damage to Carwin until the choke. Im convinced Carwin can beat lesnar now, and carwin is legit. His conditioning needs improvement, as he has never been pushed past round 1 before, and that beating he put on Lesnar cost him the fight when he couldnt finish him.

 

Id loves to see this fight again.

 

There was a brawl at the Buffalo Wild Wings I was out, as this drunk dude fell back on a table behind him and spilt beers all over these 2 girls. The guys with those girls broke 2 different tables knocking these dudes out, on top of them. My son was scared to death, and I couldnt believe what I was seeing in a packed house at BWW. 9 squad cars were on the scene in a matter of minutes and 6 dudes went to jail. Gotta say the fireworks started early in my home town.

I thought the same thing initially, then after watching the fight again, never was Lesnar not intelligently defending himself. Usually the refs are quick to call it but I think the ref did a heck of a job.

Carwin did look very good, but I also think Lesnar wasn't close to 100% in his first fight back from nearly dying. I think they need to go ahead and sign off on a rematch 6-7 months from now.

[Double Agent]

You could tell that Carwin was done with 1:00 minute left in the first round. Absolutely done. I thought it was pathetic that a guy with his record and his status had no stamina whatsoever. Inexecusable to be absoultely done after 2 minutes? Cardio ...... none? Lesnar showed that his belt is temporary and that he is very beatable and Cain Valasquez has the cardio and the stand up to do it.

 

Yep. Those big guys have a helluva time with their cardio. But there's no excuse. This is what you do for a living. They should be able to fight 10 five minute rounds. To gas out after the first is sad. It's not like they have the "cutting weight" excuse.

[Big Country]

It's not like they have the "cutting weight" excuse.

 

You do realize that both of those guys generally walk around at 280-290 and do have to cut to get to 265, don't you?

 

Granted, that doesn't mean getting gassed part way through the first is ok, but these guys are cutting. Many heavyweights don't have to cut like Mir, who is around 245 IIRC.

[Delicious_bass]

I thought the same thing initially, then after watching the fight again, never was Lesnar not intelligently defending himself. Usually the refs are quick to call it but I think the ref did a heck of a job.

Carwin did look very good, but I also think Lesnar wasn't close to 100% in his first fight back from nearly dying. I think they need to go ahead and sign off on a rematch 6-7 months from now.

Agreed. And (if I am Carwin) I am looking forward to a rematch. Carwin was working Lesnar and just expended too much effort trying to finish him off. He came probably 1-2 more landed punches from winning that fight in a landslide. Other than being gassed, I dont think Carwin came out of that fight any worse for wear. Lesnar didnt really do anything to him save for catching him in the choke...

 

A rematch would be a good draw and I am already looking forward to it.

[Double Agent]

You do realize that both of those guys generally walk around at 280-290 and do have to cut to get to 265, don't you?

 

Carwin walks at 280-290? I knew Lesnar did but I thought Carwin was 270ish.

 

Doesn't matter. Cutting 20 pounds at that weight is not real taxing on the body. That's like me cutting 10 pounds.

[Big Country]

Carwin walks at 280-290? I knew Lesnar did but I thought Carwin was 270ish.

 

Doesn't matter. Cutting 20 pounds at that weight is not real taxing on the body. That's like me cutting 10 pounds.

 

I may be mistaken on Carwin, I thought I had read he is in the 280ish range normally. I know Lesnar is easily 285-290, though, after the diverticulitis not sure what he got up to, I know he lost over 40 pounds with it initially.

 

 

 

Reading that next fight is Lesnar-Velasquez and then likely carwin vs. the loser of the Dos Santos (blanking on opponent's name) fight for the fight after the Dos Santos winner gets their shot.

 

Obviously all speculation as I think A Lesnar-Carwin rematch would do hugh numbers.

[Double Agent]

I may be mistaken on Carwin, I thought I had read he is in the 280ish range normally. I know Lesnar is easily 285-290, though, after the diverticulitis not sure what he got up to, I know he lost over 40 pounds with it initially.

 

You may be right. I'm not sure.

 

I'd like to see a rematch too.

[Double Agent]

Found this:

 

Do you have to cut weight to get down to the heavyweight limit of 265?

Usually I walk around at about 275 to 280, but about three months out I clean up my diet and eat healthy, and I tend to get down pretty lean. Usually by fight time I shouldn't have to cut weight.

 

Link

[Furd]

I don't think that it was Carwin's "cardio."

 

The dude threw 106 punches in 5 minutes. A guy that size, even a f*cken sherpa, throwing that many punches in that short amount of time is going to deplete his energy reserves.

 

I think that he can be fairly criticized in a number of ways - failing to pace himself being the obvious one. But you can't duplicate in training the adrenaline rush that he felt when the bell rang and when he clocked Lesnar the first time. Certainly none of his previous fights prepared him for that experience.

 

Many referees would have stopped that fight, even though most of Carwin's blows weren't that effectual. Perhpas this was in Carwin's mind as well.

[Big Country]

In Carwin's blog, he says it wasn't his cardio, but that his body kind of "shut down" on him and he couldn't really feel his legs.

 

“The game plan last night was to be patient and let the fight come to you. When I had him in trouble the ref keep saying he was going to stop it and then towards the end of the 1st my body began to seize up,” said Carwin. “In between rounds I could not move my legs and had what felt like a whole body cramp. My cardio was fine but my body was not. What can you do? You have to stand up and face your opponent.”

 

“Heading into the second I knew I need to finish the fight or I was going to be in trouble,” Carwin explained. “Much like the champion he is I am sure Brock was thinking the same thing. I had zero take down defense as my legs were dead to me and the rest is as they say history.”

 

“Brock was a good guy through this entire fight. He did not talk a bunch of smack and he fought like a warrior,” said Carwin. “He did what he needed to do to keep his belt and that is what being a champion is all about. I am going to have to claw my way back to the top but I wouldn’t want it any other way. I know I belong with the very best; all I need to do is prove it again.

 

 

“Losing is what happens on the way to winning. I will be back and better from the lessons learned in this fight.”

[Dallas Sooner]

In Carwin's blog, he says it wasn't his cardio, but that his body kind of "shut down" on him and he couldn't really feel his legs.

 

 

carwin got my respect in the ring, and again outta of it with these comments. Dude is legit....

[piratesownninjas]

You do realize that both of those guys generally walk around at 280-290 and do have to cut to get to 265, don't you?

 

Granted, that doesn't mean getting gassed part way through the first is ok, but these guys are cutting. Many heavyweights don't have to cut like Mir, who is around 245 IIRC.

Mir bulked up to 260 before getting destroyed by Carwin. He's also said he's laying off the weights and is toying with the idea of fighting at lhw.

 

I don't think that it was Carwin's "cardio."

 

The dude threw 106 punches in 5 minutes. A guy that size, even a f*cken sherpa, throwing that many punches in that short amount of time is going to deplete his energy reserves.

 

I think that he can be fairly criticized in a number of ways - failing to pace himself being the obvious one. But you can't duplicate in training the adrenaline rush that he felt when the bell rang and when he clocked Lesnar the first time. Certainly none of his previous fights prepared him for that experience.

 

Many referees would have stopped that fight, even though most of Carwin's blows weren't that effectual. Perhpas this was in Carwin's mind as well.

Very good stuff here. And to everyone bashing Carwin for tiring out... I challange anyone to go to a gym and try to roll or work a heavy bag as hard as you can for five minutes. I'd be willing to bet at least half would puke, and a quarter would quit before the 5 minutes was up.

 

 

carwin got my respect in the ring, and again outta of it with these comments. Dude is legit....

For sure. I had a lot of doubts about Carwin before this fight... He's legit for sure...

 

Now I'm waiting for the failure of Strikeforce so we can see Overeem come in. I think he finishes Lesnar that we saw at 116, as he has by far, the heaviest hands of any HW in the world. Be it MMA/K-1/Boxing.

[piratesownninjas]

Now I'm waiting for the failure of Strikeforce so we can see Overeem come in. I think he finishes Lesnar that we saw at 116, as he has by far, the heaviest hands of any HW in the world. Be it MMA/K-1/Boxing.

And I get a sense that this is what made Sgt Ryan mad... So I guess I'll expand on it or explain it so I'm not being agressive or whatever he was saying...

Overeem went to K-1 which is an overseas form of MMA, sans ground game and takedowns. Badr Hari was known as the baddest man in all of K-1 and had all the hype surrounding him that you see from some of the UFC champions. Overeem went in and destroyed him. He's a 6'4 260 pound Muay Thai wrecking machine. There isn't another HW in MMA that has his Muay Thai skills with his size and strength. Watch his last strikeforce fight where he ragdolled Brett Rodgers across the ring. You can question Rodgers MMA pedigree, but his size and him being thrown across the ring was amazing.

 

I also don't think Brock Lesnar was anywhere close to 100% last Saturday. Nearly dying, being out of the cage and away from the game as long as he was takes a lot out of you. I think that Brock Lesnar would have been finished by Overeem. That's not to say Lesnar at 100% would get taken by him. A 100% Lesnar is a scary force, and I'm not sure I'd take anyone against him if he's there.

 

So there you have it. I apologize if my opinions are rude or aggressive or whatever. Maybe we should just stop all opinions on the board and only state facts...

[Anna]

That was an awesome fight to begin with. Brock really took a beating from Carwin. Shane was even the favorite to win the fight in Sportsbooks. Incredible display of skill and resolve for Lesnar. I think he deserved that win. Now who's next?