muck Posted March 4, 2011 Share Posted March 4, 2011 Just read this if you doubt me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ursa Majoris Posted March 4, 2011 Share Posted March 4, 2011 (edited) Legalize and regulate it. ETA: Regular prostitution, I mean. Edited March 4, 2011 by Ursa Majoris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeeR Posted March 4, 2011 Share Posted March 4, 2011 Being rich and/or conservative and/or white also means they are inherently evil as well. But since these guys are doing something good, they must be black. Whew. Don't even get me started on "legalize it" Yeah let's legitimize pimps and make it even easier to round up some more girls to sell sex, and of course much harder to convict for a crime. Brilliant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moneymakers Posted March 4, 2011 Share Posted March 4, 2011 (edited) Bible thump this Mr Soros also predicted the Iranian regime would be overthrown in the "bloodiest of the revolutions". http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-12643419 Edited March 4, 2011 by moneymakers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Cid Posted March 4, 2011 Share Posted March 4, 2011 I'm not sure about the Bible thumping angle of your title the muck but Ursa has the right of it. Legalize it and regulate it with regular health inspections and strict rules concerning the owner of a house of prostitution. It would also make it easier to keep kids out of the industry. I'd be willing to bet that the johns don't ask for an id when they first meet the prostitute. Once again, we as a society have created something much bigger and uglier than it needs to be in an attempt to legislate morality. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WaterMan Posted March 4, 2011 Share Posted March 4, 2011 Rodney King wasn't white. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muck Posted March 4, 2011 Author Share Posted March 4, 2011 It is my preliminary belief that Ursa and Kid haven't read up much about the horrors of sex trafficing. Legalize the purchase and sale of people (regardless of age) is a good idea? I think we already had one war that involved this about 150yrs ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bpwallace49 Posted March 4, 2011 Share Posted March 4, 2011 It is my preliminary belief that Ursa and Kid haven't read up much about the horrors of sex trafficing. Legalize the purchase and sale of people (regardless of age) is a good idea? I think we already had one war that involved this about 150yrs ago. I agree. Prostitution is NOT a victimless crime. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
untateve Posted March 4, 2011 Share Posted March 4, 2011 "Daddy, when I grow up, I want to be a prostitute." Yea...I'm not sure I'm for legalizing it because one you do, then as a society one gets the feel we are legitimizing and accepting the behavior as acceptable/appropriate. I'm not sure I'm getting my meaning across but I would hate to see my daughter (if I had one) view prostitution as a viable career. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Holy Roller Posted March 4, 2011 Share Posted March 4, 2011 "Daddy, when I grow up, I want to be gay." Yea...I'm not sure I'm for legalizing it because one you do, then as a society one gets the feel we are legitimizing and accepting the behavior as acceptable/appropriate. I'm not sure I'm getting my meaning across but I would hate to see my daughter (if I had one) view being gay as an acceptable lifestyle. I concur. I'd like to hear from my gay Huddle brethren on this point of view. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yukon Cornelius Posted March 4, 2011 Share Posted March 4, 2011 I concur. I'd like to hear from my gay Huddle brethren on this point of view. I think H8 has been on a time out for about a year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
detlef Posted March 4, 2011 Share Posted March 4, 2011 (edited) "Daddy, when I grow up, I want to be a prostitute." Yea...I'm not sure I'm for legalizing it because one you do, then as a society one gets the feel we are legitimizing and accepting the behavior as acceptable/appropriate. I'm not sure I'm getting my meaning across but I would hate to see my daughter (if I had one) view prostitution as a viable career. Well, it's not hugely different than porn. In both cases, people are paid to have sex and I doubt any parent relishes the notion of their child becoming a porn star any more than they do a prostitute. Certainly the argument for legalization is the fact that it could be policed and controlled and because making it illegal is not making it go away. As for muck's "people being bought and sold", that's a bit extreme and has everything to do with the manner in which some view the act of sex. If you think of it as some sacred act of love and procreation, then the notion of selling it would be an abomination. And, in it's current state, it is very much like slavery, as pimps feast upon desperate girls and women. If it were legal, this could be very reduced and perhaps the people who chose to do this for a living would simply be people who don't see sex as anything special. That it would just be a job. And that is really OK. Not for you, perhaps, but everyone doesn't need to see sex the same way. Mind you, legalizing it isn't high on my list of things we need to do and I certainly understand the unsavory nature of it. As far as the title is concerned, as well as BeeR's predictable, "This can't be rich white guys" card, get a grip. The church gets crapped on often and, quite justifiably so, because it shows itself, time and again, to be a corrupt institution that often fails to practice what it preaches. Or that an institution that basically is in the business of projecting a code of morality should not be held to a higher standard in this regard than the public in general. So, even if there are no more priests who are pedophiles as a % than there are dudes in general (which has been alleged), that is still very much a black eye for the church. Because all those other pedophiles do not belong to a group that sells morality. They're just sick effers who want to fondle kids. That doesn't mean that even most anti-church among us think that religious people are incapable of doing good things or that the churches themselves are without redeeming qualities. Oh, and BeeR, anyone who doesn't play the pathetic, tired, and childish "oh poor me, I'm white" card as often as you do, does not necc. feel guilty about being white. Edited to fix "is high on my list of things" into isn't. Sort of a big difference there. Edited March 4, 2011 by detlef Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yukon Cornelius Posted March 4, 2011 Share Posted March 4, 2011 Well, it's not hugely different than porn. In both cases, people are paid to have sex and I doubt any parent relishes the notion of their child becoming a porn star any more than they do a prostitute. Certainly the argument for legalization is the fact that it could be policed and controlled and because making it illegal is not making it go away. As for muck's "people being bought and sold", that's a bit extreme and has everything to do with the manner in which some view the act of sex. If you think of it as some sacred act of love and procreation, then the notion of selling it would be an abomination. And, in it's current state, it is very much like slavery, as pimps feast upon desperate girls and women. If it were legal, this could be very reduced and perhaps the people who chose to do this for a living would simply be people who don't see sex as anything special. That it would just be a job. And that is really OK. Not for you, perhaps, but everyone doesn't need to see sex the same way. Not to say, mind you, legalizing it isn't high on my list of things we need to do and I certainly understand the unsavory nature of it. As far as the title is concerned, as well as BeeR's predictable, "This can't be rich white guys" card, get a grip. The church gets crapped on often and, quite justifiably so, because it shows itself, time and again, to be a corrupt institution that often fails to practice what it preaches. That doesn't mean that even most anti-church among us are incapable of realizing that religious people are incapable of doing good things or that the churches themselves are without redeeming qualities. Of, BeeR that anyone who doesn't play the pathetic, tired, and childish "oh poor me, I'm white" card as often as you do, feels guilty about being white. Edited to fix "is high on my list of things" into isn't. Sort of a big difference there. BEER is white??? who new, I thought he was southern Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big John Posted March 4, 2011 Share Posted March 4, 2011 BEER is white??? who new, I thought he was southern http://home.comcast.net/~cgj73/bigred.gif Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
untateve Posted March 4, 2011 Share Posted March 4, 2011 I concur. I'd like to hear from my gay Huddle brethren on this point of view. You are implying that one has a choice as to whether or not one is gay. Obviously, many believe that while others (including me) do not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kid Cid Posted March 4, 2011 Share Posted March 4, 2011 It is my preliminary belief that Ursa and Kid haven't read up much about the horrors of sex trafficing. Legalize the purchase and sale of people (regardless of age) is a good idea? I think we already had one war that involved this about 150yrs ago. And therein lies the rub. You fallaciously assume that I stand for legalizing the institution as it stands today. I believe that in legalizing the trade of sexual favors for money (not the trafficking portion) you gain control over a portion of this industry that currently has no controls over it. Oddly enough, this is a place where I believe that there should be greater government involvement, not less. Because by bringing prostitution into the light of day it will give us better visibility into the mechanics that feed the industry. Let's face it, the amount of people that dream of becoming a prostitute as a kid are few and far between. A lot of people that end up in this profession come from broken homes or worse. Many are enslaved in another country and brought over here to make money for their pimps. And law enforcement in this country can't even begin to deal with it all because we simply don't have enough leverage to make it stop. It is way too profitable for the folks doing it, getting caught mostly means that the prostitute pays a fine or does a little time. So by legalizing it, you get the opportunity to inspect the places, generate income via licensing fees, establish and maintain basic working conditions for people in the trade, etc. You can get the prostitutes out of the most dangerous parts of their profession (i.e. working street corners) and into a well maintained and inherently safer place. Human trafficking is an entirely different issue. While there is a portion of human trafficking associated with the sex trade, it is also associated with many other industries including textile, service and illegal drug trade. Where there is a profit to be made off of the forced servitude of human beings, someone will stoop to it. So to believe that it is isolated to the sex trade is a touch naive. History has proven time and again that outlawing a particular behavior doesn't necessarily stop that behavior. In order to effectively change a behavior of a populace, the culture must first embrace that behavior, then change the culture surrounding that behavior in order to effectively bring about change. I don't believe that just standing up and saying "NO!" then throwing money at law enforcement will ever be a truly effective way to manage a problem endemic to so many parts of this world. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azazello1313 Posted March 4, 2011 Share Posted March 4, 2011 "Daddy, when I grow up, I want to be a prostitute." Yea...I'm not sure I'm for legalizing it because one you do, then as a society one gets the feel we are legitimizing and accepting the behavior as acceptable/appropriate. I'm not sure I'm getting my meaning across but I would hate to see my daughter (if I had one) view prostitution as a viable career. I don't want my daughter to view "porn star" or "stripper" as viable careers either, doesn't mean they should be illegal. I also don't think the horrors of sex-slavery and teenage girls being bought, sold and raped argue compellingly against legalizing prostitution between consenting adults. if anything, I think you could argue that by forcing prostitution into an underground black market by criminalizing it, you make those kinds of abuses more likely rather than less. personally, I just don't believe that legislating against vice (gambling, drinking, whooring, smoking, eating at mcdonald's) is terribly effective, and the potential for panty-sniffing incursions into individual liberty far outweigh any potential social good even if they DID work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
matt770 Posted March 4, 2011 Share Posted March 4, 2011 Legalize and regulate it. ETA: Regular prostitution, I mean. And let's make it more affordable! $150 an hour?!? Is Sinatra in the room with us?? Sheesh, man. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
detlef Posted March 4, 2011 Share Posted March 4, 2011 And therein lies the rub. You fallaciously assume that I stand for legalizing the institution as it stands today. I believe that in legalizing the trade of sexual favors for money (not the trafficking portion) you gain control over a portion of this industry that currently has no controls over it. Oddly enough, this is a place where I believe that there should be greater government involvement, not less. Because by bringing prostitution into the light of day it will give us better visibility into the mechanics that feed the industry. Let's face it, the amount of people that dream of becoming a prostitute as a kid are few and far between. A lot of people that end up in this profession come from broken homes or worse. Many are enslaved in another country and brought over here to make money for their pimps. And law enforcement in this country can't even begin to deal with it all because we simply don't have enough leverage to make it stop. It is way too profitable for the folks doing it, getting caught mostly means that the prostitute pays a fine or does a little time. So by legalizing it, you get the opportunity to inspect the places, generate income via licensing fees, establish and maintain basic working conditions for people in the trade, etc. You can get the prostitutes out of the most dangerous parts of their profession (i.e. working street corners) and into a well maintained and inherently safer place. Human trafficking is an entirely different issue. While there is a portion of human trafficking associated with the sex trade, it is also associated with many other industries including textile, service and illegal drug trade. Where there is a profit to be made off of the forced servitude of human beings, someone will stoop to it. So to believe that it is isolated to the sex trade is a touch naive. History has proven time and again that outlawing a particular behavior doesn't necessarily stop that behavior. In order to effectively change a behavior of a populace, the culture must first embrace that behavior, then change the culture surrounding that behavior in order to effectively bring about change. I don't believe that just standing up and saying "NO!" then throwing money at law enforcement will ever be a truly effective way to manage a problem endemic to so many parts of this world. Well said. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ursa Majoris Posted March 4, 2011 Share Posted March 4, 2011 And therein lies the rub. You fallaciously assume that I stand for legalizing the institution as it stands today. I believe that in legalizing the trade of sexual favors for money (not the trafficking portion) you gain control over a portion of this industry that currently has no controls over it. Oddly enough, this is a place where I believe that there should be greater government involvement, not less. Because by bringing prostitution into the light of day it will give us better visibility into the mechanics that feed the industry. Let's face it, the amount of people that dream of becoming a prostitute as a kid are few and far between. A lot of people that end up in this profession come from broken homes or worse. Many are enslaved in another country and brought over here to make money for their pimps. And law enforcement in this country can't even begin to deal with it all because we simply don't have enough leverage to make it stop. It is way too profitable for the folks doing it, getting caught mostly means that the prostitute pays a fine or does a little time. So by legalizing it, you get the opportunity to inspect the places, generate income via licensing fees, establish and maintain basic working conditions for people in the trade, etc. You can get the prostitutes out of the most dangerous parts of their profession (i.e. working street corners) and into a well maintained and inherently safer place. Human trafficking is an entirely different issue. While there is a portion of human trafficking associated with the sex trade, it is also associated with many other industries including textile, service and illegal drug trade. Where there is a profit to be made off of the forced servitude of human beings, someone will stoop to it. So to believe that it is isolated to the sex trade is a touch naive. History has proven time and again that outlawing a particular behavior doesn't necessarily stop that behavior. In order to effectively change a behavior of a populace, the culture must first embrace that behavior, then change the culture surrounding that behavior in order to effectively bring about change. I don't believe that just standing up and saying "NO!" then throwing money at law enforcement will ever be a truly effective way to manage a problem endemic to so many parts of this world. This. Did other folks here really think I meant legalize it as it stands? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muck Posted March 4, 2011 Author Share Posted March 4, 2011 It was hard to tell what each of you were proposing with so few words said originally. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
westvirginia Posted March 4, 2011 Share Posted March 4, 2011 KC is my brutha from another mutha on this issue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duchess Jack Posted March 4, 2011 Share Posted March 4, 2011 Bible thump this Mr Soros also predicted the Iranian regime would be overthrown in the "bloodiest of the revolutions". http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-12643419 what's the over under that this mutant even read the linked article? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duchess Jack Posted March 4, 2011 Share Posted March 4, 2011 (edited) I kind of find it hard to view pornography (big fan) as not being prositution. Sex for money, right? I've never been with a prostitute and don't think I ever will (never even been to a strip club) but there seems to be a lot of places who have been able to take a lot of the horror out of it by shedding some light on it. Edited March 4, 2011 by Duchess Jack Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cameltosis Posted March 4, 2011 Share Posted March 4, 2011 I kind of find it hard to view pornography (big fan) as not being prositution. Sex for money, right? I've never been with a prostitute and don't think I ever will (never even been to a strip club) but there seems to be a lot of places who have been able to take a lot of the horror out of it by shedding some light on it. Most of the places I have been to have benefited from poor lighting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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