Furd Posted February 6, 2006 Share Posted February 6, 2006 I think that even those who thought Roethlisberger scored would agree that it was probably the weakest TD in Superbowl history. As a matter of principal, that should not be a touchdown. Not sure how to best rectify the "breaking the plane" rule. If they at least ruled that the entire ball must break the plane, we would probably be fairly certain that some of it did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bushwacked Posted February 6, 2006 Share Posted February 6, 2006 I think that even those who thought Roethlisberger scored would agree that it was probably the weakest TD in Superbowl history. As a matter of principal, that should not be a touchdown. Not sure how to best rectify the "breaking the plane" rule. If they at least ruled that the entire ball must break the plane, we would probably be fairly certain that some of it did. 1308776[/snapback] I'm still bewildered that the ref was running up to spot the ball with one fist up and then unexplicably signaled a TD. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ziachild007 Posted February 6, 2006 Share Posted February 6, 2006 I still don't think Ben ever crossed the goal line either. But, the key was the fact that the call on the field was originally TD. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I Like Soup Posted February 6, 2006 Share Posted February 6, 2006 I didn't think it broke the plane and I was a fairly neutral fan for the game. Doesn't the ball (any point of it, not the whole thing) have to cross the trailing edgeof the stripe, not the leading edge? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squeegiebo Posted February 6, 2006 Share Posted February 6, 2006 I think that even those who thought Roethlisberger scored would agree that it was probably the weakest TD in Superbowl history. As a matter of principal, that should not be a touchdown. Not sure how to best rectify the "breaking the plane" rule. If they at least ruled that the entire ball must break the plane, we would probably be fairly certain that some of it did. 1308776[/snapback] No matter what the rule is, you will run into the same problem. The rule is what it is, it could have gone either way, and the ref made his call. It's not that big a deal (not as much as some of the other calls), because it was 3rd down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainHook Posted February 6, 2006 Share Posted February 6, 2006 I didn't think it broke the plane and I was a fairly neutral fan for the game. Doesn't the ball (any point of it, not the whole thing) have to cross the trailing edgeof the stripe, not the leading edge? 1308785[/snapback] No, it's the leading stripe. I didn't think he scored either. Until I saw the stop action play where Ben's whole head was across the plane and the ball was right under his chin. It was close, but the stop frame I saw sure makes it look like the ball BARELY broke the plane. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dmarc117 Posted February 6, 2006 Share Posted February 6, 2006 put a chip in the ball and a sensor along the goal line.... i think that fifa, the soccer world cup was experimenting in this.... http://sportsfilter.com/comments.cfm/4181 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MojoMan Posted February 6, 2006 Share Posted February 6, 2006 Brought back memories of when Testaverde was given a TD for his helmet breaking the plane. Well, maybe not that bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Czarina Posted February 6, 2006 Share Posted February 6, 2006 How about something boring and old-fashioned like getting the ball into the stupid endzone before your knee hits? You must be in bounds and not Vicking it, either. None of this ridiculous infinite goalline crap. Right inside that big rectangle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squeegiebo Posted February 6, 2006 Share Posted February 6, 2006 How about something boring and old-fashioned like getting the ball into the stupid endzone before your knee hits? You must be in bounds and not Vicking it, either. None of this ridiculous infinite goalline crap. Right inside that big rectangle. 1308860[/snapback] Still run into the same problems. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MojoMan Posted February 6, 2006 Share Posted February 6, 2006 (edited) How about something boring and old-fashioned like getting the ball into the stupid endzone before your knee hits? You must be in bounds and not Vicking it, either. None of this ridiculous infinite goalline crap. Right inside that big rectangle. 1308860[/snapback] Yet another excellent point by Czarina. For the NFL historians and Big John--has this been creeping Socialism? Did it used to be that you had to get the ball into the EZ, then they made it easier and finally Vickized it where all you gotta do is wave the ball in the area of the pylon or imaginary plane? Edited February 6, 2006 by MojoMan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big John Posted February 6, 2006 Share Posted February 6, 2006 Not the first time. In SB XXXV, Jamal Lewis had fumbled about the same time he crossed the goal line. He was awarded the TD, and replay was inconclusive on when dropped the ball. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squeegiebo Posted February 6, 2006 Share Posted February 6, 2006 Did it used to be that you had to get the ball into the EZ, 1308864[/snapback] The whole ball or any part? Do you see why the exact same judgment calls would arise? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fatman Posted February 6, 2006 Share Posted February 6, 2006 put a chip in the ball and a sensor along the goal line.... i think that fifa, the soccer world cup was experimenting in this.... http://sportsfilter.com/comments.cfm/4181 1308810[/snapback] I would have to think something like this would be possible - doesn't tennis also use some sort of laser system to determine if serves are in or not? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theeohiostate Posted February 6, 2006 Share Posted February 6, 2006 Not sure how to best rectify the "breaking the plane" rule. If they at least ruled that the entire ball must break the plane, we would probably be fairly certain that some of it did. 1308776[/snapback] They should put metallic dust in all NFL balls and put dog wire electrical fence under the plane of the goal, everytime the ball crosses the goaline it explodes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big John Posted February 6, 2006 Share Posted February 6, 2006 They should put metallic dust in all NFL balls and put dog wire electrical fence under the plane of the goal, everytime the ball crosses the goaline it explodes 1308888[/snapback] What do you do on passing plays? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Holliday Posted February 6, 2006 Share Posted February 6, 2006 I did not have a problem with TD myself. I tivo'd it and it was so close that the original call on the field had to be what they went by. That being said I don't know what that judge was doing, like said here 1st he had him down before the goal then changed his mind. it was not as if he needed to look at 1 of the other refs to see what they thought because he clearly had the best view.I don't know why he changed his mind. That being said it was the 100 other calls that bothered me and not this 1 so much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MojoMan Posted February 6, 2006 Share Posted February 6, 2006 The whole ball or any part? Do you see why the exact same judgment calls would arise? 1308871[/snapback] You are absolutely right. However, IMO, it just intuitively makes sense that, to get a TD, you gotta get the ball IN the endzone. Therefore, if an inch or two of the football didn't cross the stipe, yet it's ruled a TD anyway, it's less dissatisfying than the "wave the ball in the vicinity of the stripe" kind of TDs were getting today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squeegiebo Posted February 6, 2006 Share Posted February 6, 2006 They should put metallic dust in all NFL balls and put dog wire electrical fence under the plane of the goal, everytime the ball crosses the goaline it explodes 1308888[/snapback] Nice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
theeohiostate Posted February 6, 2006 Share Posted February 6, 2006 Nice. 1308938[/snapback] That'd make QBs think twice before wanting to sneak it in give it to the dumb, clueless FB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Furd Posted February 6, 2006 Author Share Posted February 6, 2006 Do you see why the exact same judgment calls would arise? 1308871[/snapback] There would still be judgment calls, but they would not be "exact." Roethlisberger's TD would clearly have not been a TD. And such a rule certainly would help to insure that at least some of the ball broke the plane. Sheet. In rugby they have to ground the ball. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Furd Posted February 6, 2006 Author Share Posted February 6, 2006 However, IMO, it just intuitively makes sense that, to get a TD, you gotta get the ball IN the endzone. Therefore, if an inch or two of the football didn't cross the stipe, yet it's ruled a TD anyway, it's less dissatisfying than the "wave the ball in the vicinity of the stripe" kind of TDs were getting today. 1308927[/snapback] Ding, ding, ding. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charty Posted February 6, 2006 Share Posted February 6, 2006 I did not have a problem with TD myself. I tivo'd it and it was so close that the original call on the field had to be what they went by. That being said I don't know what that judge was doing, like said here 1st he had him down before the goal then changed his mind. it was not as if he needed to look at 1 of the other refs to see what they thought because he clearly had the best view.I don't know why he changed his mind. That being said it was the 100 other calls that bothered me and not this 1 so much. 1308914[/snapback] This is where my problem is as well. It's not the first time I've seen the side judge run in to see where the ball phyiscally was in the pile before making the decision on TD/NO TD. My take is he was calling him down on the 1 foot line, and then he saw where the ball was when he got closer (across the goal line, under Ben), he called it a TD. On the replay, it is obvious that when Ben was "down", the ball was not over the line, he moved it over the goal line after he was down. The NFL needs to do something about this type of call, and tell judges to spot the ball where they see it, not where the ball is when they run up to the pile. Every ball carrier tries to gain extra inches/feet after they are down, and it's not an officiating strategy they should continue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squeegiebo Posted February 6, 2006 Share Posted February 6, 2006 Roethlisberger's TD would clearly have not been a TD. And such a rule certainly would help to insure that at least some of the ball broke the plane. 1308968[/snapback] So what? If the rule is that the whole ball must break the plane, what good is it to ensure that some of it does? Fact is that no matter what the rule, there will be the same calls that could go either way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Holliday Posted February 6, 2006 Share Posted February 6, 2006 So what? If the rule is that the whole ball must break the plane, what good is it to ensure that some of it does? Fact is that no matter what the rule, there will be the same calls that could go either way. 1309027[/snapback] I think deciding whether the whole ball went over the line would even be harder to judge than if just the tip hits the line. What needs to happen is for the NFL to use technology. If they can make a laser tool for carpenters I would think they could do something similar with the ball and goal line to where something triggers when the ball goes over the line. at least then they would only have to look at replays to see whethere the knee was down before it got over. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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