Ramhock Posted June 18, 2006 Share Posted June 18, 2006 He is dropping like a rock in the CCS. I am in a keeper where I was fortunate enuff to start with LJ. My other choice, must keep 2 & only 2, was between Ronnie & Peyton. I traded Ronnie without hesitation, partly due to already having LJ. The Colts improved D was certainly the most important factor in Manning's #s coming back to earth, but with Edge gone, I see his #s edging back up. That and the fact that he never gets hit or injured makes him a desired commodity, and IMO, a safer option to build a team around versus trying to guess which of the 2nd tier RBs may pan out. I see 35 TDs for Manning, which puts him at #5 or #6 on my sheet. If the Colts D slips, 40 TDs is certainly not a stretch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Holy Roller Posted June 18, 2006 Share Posted June 18, 2006 My thoughts also. The CCS appears to be for RB whores, lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XXXXX Posted June 18, 2006 Share Posted June 18, 2006 He is dropping like a rock in the CCS. I am in a keeper where I was fortunate enuff to start with LJ. My other choice, must keep 2 & only 2, was between Ronnie & Peyton. I traded Ronnie without hesitation, partly due to already having LJ. The Colts improved D was certainly the most important factor in Manning's #s coming back to earth, but with Edge gone, I see his #s edging back up. That and the fact that he never gets hit or injured makes him a desired commodity, and IMO, a safer option to build a team around versus trying to guess which of the 2nd tier RBs may pan out. I see 35 TDs for Manning, which puts him at #5 or #6 on my sheet. If the Colts D slips, 40 TDs is certainly not a stretch. Regardless of his situation, 40 TDs is a pretty large stretch for Peyton too! Correct me if I'm wrong, but besides Peytons record-breaking season of 49 TDs.. I'm pretty confident that only Marino had surpassed the 40 TD mark (he only managed it twice in his entire career). While I won't say it cannot happen, it would definately be another rare season if Peyton put up 39-40 TDs. 35 TDs for Manning isn't a guarentee one bit either, again he has only eclipsed the 30 TD mark twice in his 9 year career with the Colts. You would be more realistic to expect 27-30 TDs. 35-40 would definately take a special year from Peyton. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loaf Posted June 18, 2006 Share Posted June 18, 2006 (edited) 27 Tds times 4 points each = 108 points 15 TDs which is a very big stretch for McGahee (and most of the others coming in now) times 6 = 90 points obviously this isn't a TD only league but... 2005 Indianapolis Colts 16 16 453 305 67.3 3747 8.27 80 28 10 17/81 45 6 104.1 28 TDs = 112 10 INTs = -20 92 points 3747 yds = 149.88 points 241.88 points McGahee: 2005 Buffalo Bills 16 15 325 1247 3.8 27 5 4 71 5 TDs = 30 1247 rushing = 124.70 28 Rec = 28 points 178 rec yds = 17.8 200.5 points this is last year (obviously) and let's say Willis ups his TD totals to 10. This would give him 230.5 points and assume Peyton does no better or worse than last year Peyton isn't much better but better. I know many of you aren't doing this kinda math when selecting yer next CCS pick so I guess these rankings do hold some water. I change my mind. carry on. Edited June 18, 2006 by loaf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jake_the_builder Posted June 18, 2006 Share Posted June 18, 2006 27 Tds times 4 points each = 108 points 15 TDs which is a very big stretch for McGahee (and most of the others coming in now) times 6 = 90 points obviously this isn't a TD only league but... But how many other QB's have a chance at 27td's? There were 11 QB's over 20TD passes last year, RB's are alot harder to get than a decent QB. To draft Peyton that early is a personal preference, and I would rather have two top RB's and a top WR before I would even look at drafting a QB. I seem to wait till the top QB's are gone, while teams are taking them, I am building my depth at RB/WR and winning season after season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loaf Posted June 18, 2006 Share Posted June 18, 2006 this discussion is not about any other QBs except Peyton. I probably would not draft him this early either (except in 16 team leagues) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
broncosn05 Posted June 18, 2006 Share Posted June 18, 2006 The spin on Peyton is that Edge won't be around to eliminate huge blitzes, but it could also result in more attempts for Peyton. I'd never draft Peyton unless he fell to the 3rd round this year their are just more important things to go with, with 1,2. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Holy Roller Posted June 18, 2006 Share Posted June 18, 2006 The spin on Peyton is that Edge won't be around to eliminate huge blitzes, but it could also result in more attempts for Peyton. I'd never draft Peyton unless he fell to the 3rd round this year their are just more important things to go with, with 1,2. At this point, Peyton is the surest thing out there. Remember Julius and Kevin Jones. Ask the Rb whores who drafted them in the 1st, early 2nd rounds what they think. I'm not trying to say the Rb's aren't worth the positions they are in this thread but in my opinion noone still out there has the value of Peyton at this time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avernus Posted June 18, 2006 Share Posted June 18, 2006 My thoughts also. The CCS appears to be for RB whores, lol. and I am proud of this... imagine being able to get LJ..then Manning and CTaylor... of course I'd rather have Gates in a TE mandatory league than Manning... if palmer were available my following pick...that would be outstanding... LJ, CTaylor, Gates, Palmer.... ...even though, taking a WR instead of Palmer and taking Delhomme the following pick (if available) isn't bad either.... I'll take the bargain basement QB's and then make a trade for a top one with my RB depth... when you have depth at RB...you have all the bargaining power in the world... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avernus Posted June 18, 2006 Share Posted June 18, 2006 At this point, Peyton is the surest thing out there. Remember Julius and Kevin Jones. Ask the Rb whores who drafted them in the 1st, early 2nd rounds what they think. I'm not trying to say the Rb's aren't worth the positions they are in this thread but in my opinion noone still out there has the value of Peyton at this time. I wouldn't want either of these guys....I hate JJ and KJ burned me last year......but I wouldn't be opposed to taking him again if he shows me something.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swiss Cheezhead Posted June 18, 2006 Share Posted June 18, 2006 At this point, Peyton is the surest thing out there. Remember Julius and Kevin Jones. Ask the Rb whores who drafted them in the 1st, early 2nd rounds what they think. I'm not trying to say the Rb's aren't worth the positions they are in this thread but in my opinion noone still out there has the value of Peyton at this time. And how 'bout those guys who drafted Peyton in the 1st last year and ended up with T.J. Duckett as their #2 RB? Should we ask them as well? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swiss Cheezhead Posted June 18, 2006 Share Posted June 18, 2006 when you have depth at RB...you have all the bargaining power in the world... True words have never been spoken. It is Lesson #1 in Fantasy Football. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skippy Posted June 18, 2006 Share Posted June 18, 2006 My thoughts also. The CCS appears to be for RB whores, lol. I don't want this to sound wrong but I play in a lot of leagues. I play with a lot of good owners that are not new to this game. I am a proud whore myself and 9 out of 10 of the owners that I play this game with are also whores. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jake_the_builder Posted June 18, 2006 Share Posted June 18, 2006 I don't want this to sound wrong but I play in a lot of leagues. I play with a lot of good owners that are not new to this game. I am a proud whore myself and 9 out of 10 of the owners that I play this game with are also whores. WHORES RAVVK!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muck Posted June 18, 2006 Share Posted June 18, 2006 It's a rare year where my first pick isn't a RB ... a TD only league, I may consider an elite WR or QB if I'm picking at the end of the first round ... or if I'd ever be in a league where you started only 1 RB but started 3-4 WRs, I may pick a WR over a RB in the 1st round ... but other than that, it'll probably be a RB. The 2nd - 4th rounds however are completely different. I'll consider pretty much anyone. I've drafted WR, WR, QB in rounds 2-4 ... only to get two of the final 2-4 starting RBs in rounds 5 and 6 ... and spend mid picks (rounds 9-12) on "top backups in questionable situations" ... So, that I end up with a "top ___ RB" (depending on how high I'm drafting in the first round), two top five WRs and a top 3-4 QB ... and then picking up two RBs that'd be preseason top 25-35 hoping that one pans out (remember how CuMar treated everyone a couple years ago after being a 4th - 6th round pick in many leagues). Sometimes my #2 RB stinks ... but, I usually more than make up for it with two stellar WRs and a great QB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Holy Roller Posted June 18, 2006 Share Posted June 18, 2006 I did not mean to offend ANY RB whores. I have been known to, ahem, do business there myself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grits and Shins Posted June 18, 2006 Share Posted June 18, 2006 Most leagues start 1 QB for a total of 12. Most leauges start 2 or more RBs for a total of 24+. The drop off between the number 1 QB (if you can predict who that is) and the number 12 QB is not as severe as the drop off between the RB you can draft instead of Manning and the one you will have to settle for. I just don't draft a QB in the first 3 rounds ... I look for the under-valued QB that can be had late. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt. Ryan Posted June 18, 2006 Share Posted June 18, 2006 Most leagues start 1 QB for a total of 12. Most leauges start 2 or more RBs for a total of 24+. The drop off between the number 1 QB (if you can predict who that is) and the number 12 QB is not as severe as the drop off between the RB you can draft instead of Manning and the one you will have to settle for. I just don't draft a QB in the first 3 rounds ... I look for the under-valued QB that can be had late. The logic I use, But I take it a step further. I wont draft a QB, until I have 2 RB/ 2 WR, and my TE already. And quit frankly I end up with Plummer, Brees, or Delhomme as my #1 every yr, and they certainly help me win my leagues. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Retrograde assault Posted June 18, 2006 Share Posted June 18, 2006 Pretty much every time I've deviated from drafting rb's first, I've ended up in the wrong end of the standings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muck Posted June 19, 2006 Share Posted June 19, 2006 Again, and IN GENERAL, if your league has pretty traditional scoring rules and pretty normal starting lineup requirements, your league has 10-14 teams, and your drafting in the top half of the first round, you're probably either a FF newbie or a complete jackass. If those things hold and your in the second half of the first round and you don't draft a RB, you may be a FF newbie or a jackass ... its just a little harder to tell. If you're drafting in the top half of your draft, and unless your league has very unsual scoring rules or starting lineup requirements and/or is an absolutely huge league, you should probably take a RB first. ...its simply that simple... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loaf Posted June 19, 2006 Share Posted June 19, 2006 exactly muck. and with what pick number we're on in the CCS, this wouldn't be your first pick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McBoog Posted June 19, 2006 Share Posted June 19, 2006 ... That and the fact that he never gets hit or injured makes him a desired commodity, ... You didn't see the game against the Chargers, did you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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