klo91 Posted July 8, 2006 Share Posted July 8, 2006 I know you guys all talk very highly of this guy and I'm sure somewhere there is already this same talk but I'll say it anyhow. Is he overvalued. In last years system he was a stud but= 1. Priest Holmes isn't totally out of the picture 2. No Tony Richardson 3. New coach, new coordinator, new system. (Al Saunders was the man.) 4. Lines not any younger. I had him last year and he was the man. If it were last years system and he was gauranteed a the bulk of the carries for sure top 2 or 3. I still have him as number one overal, but I'm still a little skeptical. Just wanted to here what you pros thought. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duchess Jack Posted July 8, 2006 Share Posted July 8, 2006 I agree. I'd still take LT over him and would take him at the number 2 spot... but I would not want to have to do that.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
olympia0731 Posted July 8, 2006 Share Posted July 8, 2006 I would agree wiht you about most of that stuff, however for redrafts I am not th concerned. FOr Keep's he is third on my list, simply because of teh age of his o-line/ entire offese. YOu make some great points however. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randall Posted July 8, 2006 Share Posted July 8, 2006 All 3 top players have issues. LT new rookie QB SA No Hutch LJ old line, new coaches, but Mike Solari is the new OC, after being offensine line coach and coaching for the Chiefs for 10 years. They promoted someone skilled in the Saunders system. I'm not worried by any of the 3. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Dick Posted July 8, 2006 Share Posted July 8, 2006 I know you guys all talk very highly of this guy and I'm sure somewhere there is already this same talk but I'll say it anyhow. Is he overvalued. In last years system he was a stud but= 1. Priest Holmes isn't totally out of the picture He will be soon. 2. No Tony Richardson Doesn't matter. 3. New coach, new coordinator, new system. (Al Saunders was the man.)Mike Scolari will run basically the same system. Honestly, with Herm at the helm they may run MORE. 4. Lines not any younger.They are still a Pro Bowl quality line. I had him last year and he was the man. If it were last years system and he was gauranteed a the bulk of the carries for sure top 2 or 3. I still have him as number one overal, but I'm still a little skeptical. Just wanted to here what you pros thought. He's my #1 overall, and that's not because I'm a Chiefs fan. This is his year to shine, and he's gonna be running hard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thecerwin Posted July 8, 2006 Share Posted July 8, 2006 LT new rookie QB Rivers isn't a rookie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chargerz Posted July 8, 2006 Share Posted July 8, 2006 (edited) LT new rookie QB Rivers isn't a rookie Chronologically he's not a rookie, but he's only thrown 30 passes in regular season games. I'm sure that's what Randall meant. Edited July 8, 2006 by Chargerz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FishFreak Posted July 8, 2006 Share Posted July 8, 2006 Of the top 3 RB's, I think Alexander will disappoint the most. He was incredible last year and I think his expectations are out of whack. No Hutchinson, tougher schedule and plus he got the big contract. He is going to drop back down to earth. LJ is simply a beast and won't be denied. I just think he's a lock for 20+ TD's and 1800+ total yards barring injury of course. The only question is, can he do it for a full season? LT will also be fine. In my mind it's gotta be LJ, LT then Alexander for the first three picks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avernus Posted July 8, 2006 Share Posted July 8, 2006 Chronologically he's not a rookie, but he's only thrown 30 passes in regular season games. I'm sure that's what Randall meant. true...but sitting out 2 years might have helped out his career as I wondered if he was going to be a bust when he came out if Brees was to let him take over early.... I didn't think it would hurt Eli....but I think for Rivers, having Brees kick his game up a notch when they drafted Rivers helped both of them out..... which is why I think Rivers could end up a top 10 fantasy QB this upcoming season if he catches on early.....but will likely take half the season to catch fire and probably will be around the top 15 with a strong 2nd half...which still holds strong fantasy value, if you are able to acquire him after a pedestrian string of games.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chargerz Posted July 8, 2006 Share Posted July 8, 2006 true...but sitting out 2 years might have helped out his career as I wondered if he was going to be a bust when he came out if Brees was to let him take over early.... I didn't think it would hurt Eli....but I think for Rivers, having Brees kick his game up a notch when they drafted Rivers helped both of them out..... which is why I think Rivers could end up a top 10 fantasy QB this upcoming season if he catches on early.....but will likely take half the season to catch fire and probably will be around the top 15 with a strong 2nd half...which still holds strong fantasy value, if you are able to acquire him after a pedestrian string of games.... Rivers is also the beneficiary of an easier schedule than last year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avernus Posted July 8, 2006 Share Posted July 8, 2006 Rivers is also the beneficiary of an easier schedule than last year. in a 16 week fantasy schedule...he has 10 favorable matchups and 5 unfavorable ones... however, I count the Broncos twice and the chargers/Broncos games tend to usually be high scoring...even when Brees was pre-Gates if I can recall... and Steelers/Ravens games come early on....the only problem I have is a week 3 BYE....that is horrible IMO lol....he'll need his BYE later on to collect himself..... but we'll see how that pans out, I guess.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sgt. Ryan Posted July 9, 2006 Share Posted July 9, 2006 Of the top 3 RB's, I think Alexander will disappoint the most. He was incredible last year and I think his expectations are out of whack. No Hutchinson, tougher schedule and plus he got the big contract. He is going to drop back down to earth. LJ is simply a beast and won't be denied. I just think he's a lock for 20+ TD's and 1800+ total yards barring injury of course. The only question is, can he do it for a full season? LT will also be fine. In my mind it's gotta be LJ, LT then Alexander for the first three picks. I concur. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sigalf03 Posted July 9, 2006 Share Posted July 9, 2006 He's my #1 overall, and that's not because I'm a Chiefs fan. This is his year to shine, and he's gonna be running hard. I agree with everything you had to say there cheif except for saying that the loss of T Rich wont matter. Can't tell you how important that guy was to the running game. I still think LJ is going to be a montser this year but to say lossing T Rich wont matter is crazy, especially from a homer who has watched they guy 16 games a year for a long time Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brianfl Posted July 9, 2006 Share Posted July 9, 2006 I really don't think you can go wrong with any of the three. I don't see a major slip for SA. He has been too durable and too consistent for too long. I would go with SA as the top pick and depending on the scoring (1 pt receptions take LT other wise probably LJ 2). I will question LJ's durability until he goes through a full season with 300-350 carries. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Asskickas Posted July 9, 2006 Share Posted July 9, 2006 All 3 top players have issues. LT new rookie QB SA No Hutch LJ old line, new coaches, but Mike Solari is the new OC, after being offensine line coach and coaching for the Chiefs for 10 years. They promoted someone skilled in the Saunders system. I'm not worried by any of the 3. LT doesn't need a QB. How many touchdowns did he throw last year? lol And LJ will run well behind a mediocre line. He's just that good. Draft LJ 1st, LT2nd and SA 3rd. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Footballjoe Posted July 9, 2006 Share Posted July 9, 2006 Chronologically he's not a rookie, but he's only thrown 30 passes in regular season games. I'm sure that's what Randall meant. I may be mistaken but I think Carson Palmer played very little until last year and well........... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Score 1 Posted July 9, 2006 Share Posted July 9, 2006 I may be mistaken but I think Carson Palmer played very little until last year and well........... There is no maybe about it. You are very mistaken. His first year drafted (2003) he was the clipboard guy, but he was quickly worked in as Cincy's starter in 2004 and 2005 he became the undisputed starter. Carson Plamer +---------------------------------------+ | Passing |+----------+-----+---------------------------------------+| Year TM | G | Comp Att PCT YD Y/A TD INT |+----------+-----+---------------------------------------+| 2004 cin | 14 | 263 432 60.9 2897 6.7 18 18 || 2005 cin | 16 | 345 509 67.8 3836 7.5 32 12 |+----------+-----+---------------------------------------+| TOTAL | 30 | 608 941 64.6 6733 7.2 50 30 |+----------+-----+---------------------------------------+ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cordo Posted July 9, 2006 Share Posted July 9, 2006 however, I count the Broncos twice and the chargers/Broncos games tend to usually be high scoring...even when Brees was pre-Gates if I can recall... Past 6 games vs Denver, SD has scored 7, 17, 13, 20, 13, and 8 points -- 13.0 ppg. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avernus Posted July 9, 2006 Share Posted July 9, 2006 Past 6 games vs Denver, SD has scored 7, 17, 13, 20, 13, and 8 points -- 13.0 ppg. nice... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avernus Posted July 9, 2006 Share Posted July 9, 2006 There is no maybe about it. You are very mistaken. His first year drafted (2003) he was the clipboard guy, but he was quickly worked in as Cincy's starter in 2004 and 2005 he became the undisputed starter. Carson Plamer +---------------------------------------+ | Passing |+----------+-----+---------------------------------------+| Year TM | G | Comp Att PCT YD Y/A TD INT |+----------+-----+---------------------------------------+| 2004 cin | 14 | 263 432 60.9 2897 6.7 18 18 || 2005 cin | 16 | 345 509 67.8 3836 7.5 32 12 |+----------+-----+---------------------------------------+| TOTAL | 30 | 608 941 64.6 6733 7.2 50 30 |+----------+-----+---------------------------------------+ the jump he made at QB was ridiculous... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thecerwin Posted July 9, 2006 Share Posted July 9, 2006 the jump he made at QB was ridiculous... No kidding. I wonder if we can expect the same from Leinhart? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randall Posted July 9, 2006 Share Posted July 9, 2006 (edited) LT doesn't need a QB. How many touchdowns did he throw last year? lol And LJ will run well behind a mediocre line. He's just that good. Draft LJ 1st, LT2nd and SA 3rd. I concur, but the play caling is affected by the QB in San Diego. I feel he will do better and get more touches with Rivers, first year playing QB under center. I'm not a fan of Rivers, but have been wrong before. He could do what Palmer did his first year and be good next year. I'll have to see it. There is no maybe about it. You are very mistaken. His first year drafted (2003) he was the clipboard guy, but he was quickly worked in as Cincy's starter in 2004 and 2005 he became the undisputed starter. He did struggle that year. I knew a lot of Bengals fans that wanted Kitna to play, but were happy last year. Edited July 9, 2006 by Randall Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avernus Posted July 9, 2006 Share Posted July 9, 2006 No kidding. I wonder if we can expect the same from Leinhart? I was thinking Eli.....last year he looked pedestrian in the 2nd half... this year I expect an improvement...but can he do what palmer did?... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Avernus Posted July 9, 2006 Share Posted July 9, 2006 I concur, but the play caling is affected by the QB in San Diego. I feel he will do better and get more touches with Rivers, first year playing QB under center. I'm not a fan of Rivers, but have been wrong before. He could do what Palmer did his first year and be good next year. I'll have to see it. I personally think he'll do better than Palmer did his 1st year as a starter because he's had 2 years to learn the system....and he has 2 of the best safety valves to throw the ball to in Gates/LT2........it's just that his wideouts are so-so unless Parker shines and McCardell does anything near what he did last year... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Randall Posted July 9, 2006 Share Posted July 9, 2006 I personally think he'll do better than Palmer did his 1st year as a starter because he's had 2 years to learn the system....and he has 2 of the best safety valves to throw the ball to in Gates/LT2........it's just that his wideouts are so-so unless Parker shines and McCardell does anything near what he did last year... Good points and you may be right. He reminds me a little too much of a cocky QB I won't mention. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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