muck Posted April 11, 2007 Share Posted April 11, 2007 Buffalo swaps picks in the first round with San Diego, plus maybe their second third round pick (#92 overall) in exchange for Michael Turner. SD, in dire need for a WR, is now sitting at #12 overall...and they have one second round pick and three third round picks (which includes the newly acquired pick from BUF)... Do they have enough ammo to move up high enough to get Calvin Johnson? It's not like SD has a ton of other needs besides a hugh stud WR...especially one that can block in the running game. I don't think that SD has enough ammo (unless they also package a player or a future years' pick) to get up to get Calvin...but, it's something to ponder here in the offseason... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fitzkek Posted April 11, 2007 Share Posted April 11, 2007 Nothing to ponder... it's ridiculous Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piratesownninjas Posted April 11, 2007 Share Posted April 11, 2007 AJ loves draft picks. I doubt he'd lose that many picks to move up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riffraff Posted April 11, 2007 Share Posted April 11, 2007 SD can't trade up to #1 for Calvin in any scenario. Nor would they want to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
satelliteoflovegm Posted April 11, 2007 Share Posted April 11, 2007 (edited) This is sound speculation. I could see it being a draft day trade if Buffalo is on the the clock and Willis and Leon Hall are gone. I hope and don't think they would give up a first for Turner without getting a first round pick back. I just have a feeling Buffalo will trade their pick, probably moving lower, perhaps higher if Peterson falls past the Browns. I just think they need to aquire at least another pick to fill some of the holes on defense. As for getting Calvin Johnson, I think that is not going to happen, especially because the depth after Calvin Johnson is very solid. They could even trade down out of the first, pick up a selection and get a quality speed or even possesion type wr. Whichever they feel is their weakness. Edited April 11, 2007 by satelliteoflovegm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMD Posted April 11, 2007 Share Posted April 11, 2007 The Chargers already have such a high percentage of plays going to LT and Gates that any WR is going to be a support player. It's like SD's #1 WR is Gates and the WR's are like TE's. There's no bang for their buck because there isn't enough footballs to go around to make it worth the deal. Not to mention just how much an overall top 3 draft pick would cost. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muck Posted April 11, 2007 Author Share Posted April 11, 2007 ...so, in other words... Its sorta what I expected. Not gonna happen... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peepinmofo Posted April 11, 2007 Share Posted April 11, 2007 They could always trade LT for the raiders next 8 1st round picks, but I dont think that would happen. heh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McBoog Posted April 11, 2007 Share Posted April 11, 2007 (edited) The Chargers already have such a high percentage of plays going to LT and Gates that any WR is going to be a support player. It's like SD's #1 WR is Gates and the WR's are like TE's. There's no bang for their buck because there isn't enough footballs to go around to make it worth the deal. Not to mention just how much an overall top 3 draft pick would cost. (Brown nose and tush kiss ) This is why DMD and The Huddle is so good! My thoughts while reading the scenario (as if I'm an expert ) Not enough in the trade to entice the Chargers. All they pick up is a 3, and AJ, I'm sure, believes he can gat about the same quality at #30 as he can at #12 for a lot less money (see Castillo). Don't forget the emergence of Vincent Jackson. Many compare him to T.O. without the head problems. Big, fast, great hands. Keenan is gone, and IF they want to fill that void, Meacham looks to still be available at the end of one (though I am not a big fan of WRs in the first round) Vjax should take pressure off of Gates and LT in the passing game and I see LT going back to a couple of years ago, getting more catches and having Pinnock or even Tyrone Gross (who looked very Turneresque last pre-season) pound it out to keep LT fresh. Don't forget Sproles in the equasion either. If he gets his head right after breaking his leg, they will use him as well. There really are not enough balls to go around on this team (am I talking about the Chargers ) and bringing in Johnson at such a high price makes no sense. My feeling is that the Chargers may get a three this year and some teams one next year. Or maybe even a couple of 2s. Both the Bills and the Titans want Turner, and AJ will play these teams against each other for the best deal. I think Buffalo knows what a lot of people know. Turner in Orchard Park in December is a match made in heaven. His style is perfectly suited to be a Bill in December! The Titans may have more money to spend and a greater overall need, but the fit for Turner in Buffalo seems to be ideal. It will be interesting! Edited April 11, 2007 by McBoog Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caveman_Nick Posted April 11, 2007 Share Posted April 11, 2007 Don't forget the emergence of Vincent Jackson. This is the second time I have seen something to this effect recently. I am not seeing how 1 2 TD game and not having had 100 yds receiving once last year (in the same game as the 2 YDs he had 97 yds) counts as 'emergence'...? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McBoog Posted April 11, 2007 Share Posted April 11, 2007 This is the second time I have seen something to this effect recently. I am not seeing how 1 2 TD game and not having had 100 yds receiving once last year (in the same game as the 2 YDs he had 97 yds) counts as 'emergence'...? This is a very valid point. But Charger WRs have to be a presence that is felt on the field, they do not have to have consistent 100 yard games. They need to be able to hurt you when you start to cheat on Gates and LT too much and have to get down field and block! As DMD points out, the Charger's primary weapons are Gates and LT. Vjax last year was opening up space in the secondary as the season wore on. His comfort level was definitely on the upswing! He was not really in the mix much early in the season, but late in the year he was on the field more than Keenan (I had him on a fantasy team and he became a solid #2 for me at the end of the year in a homer league). Vincent Jackson 27 Rec, 453 yards, 16.8 YPC, 6 TDs. This is not bad for a kid that was sharing time and played little in the beginning of the season. McCardell had 36 receptions for another 437. As the starter, I can see Vjax' numbers easily doubling, more than enough to be the threat the Chargers need to open things up. He is also a "big play" guy, making some clutch catches and long TDs. My biggest concern about him is "tweeky" legs. He seems to get wheel problems in the beginning of the year. The other WRs are very Patiotesque. Not big names, but solid contibutors. Eric Parker (48/649) always seemed to be there when a catch needed to be made (sans stooopid fumble in Playoffs ) . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMD Posted April 11, 2007 Share Posted April 11, 2007 As far as Vincent Jackson goes, realize that he ended 2006 with six touchdowns - McCardell and Parker combined for ZERO and yet Jackson was not even a starter per se. In the waning weeks of the season, Parker never had more than 42 yards in the final seven games (excluding a meaningless week 17) and McCardell never had more than 65 in any game during the year. In weeks 14, 15 and 16, Jackson had 95, 66, 97 yards. Despite not being a starting SE or FL, Jackson vastly outplayed the two. He showed nuch more than any other SD WR. He now enters his third NFL season and is poised for a step up. That all said, he will never lead the NFL in yardage because of Gates and LT, but his TD total could rise and his yardage become much more consistent. He could become worthy of being a WR3 if he offers consistency. He has the size and talent to even possibly be worthy of being a WR2 on a team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caveman_Nick Posted April 11, 2007 Share Posted April 11, 2007 I am not saying Jackson will or won't be anything....I am only saying that the claim of his "emergence" is a little premature... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McBoog Posted April 11, 2007 Share Posted April 11, 2007 I am not saying Jackson will or won't be anything....I am only saying that the claim of his "emergence" is a little premature... Cool. How 'bout, "Started to emerge at the end of the season". Rolling into "magical" year #3 for WRs, I think this is a good thing and all signs are that Vjax could step up to be the solid #1 WR the Chargers need. I am talking real football here also, not FF value! Maybe an Art Monk type role??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caveman_Nick Posted April 11, 2007 Share Posted April 11, 2007 Cool. How 'bout, "Started to emerge at the end of the season". Rolling into "magical" year #3 for WRs, I think this is a good thing and all signs are that Vjax could step up to be the solid #1 WR the Chargers need. I am talking real football here also, not FF value! Maybe an Art Monk type role??? He did look good....and he will be on my "to draft" list if I can get him at good value...but I have had enough Lee Suggs/William Green/Julius Jones/etc type experiences to make me direct a hairy eyeball at a late season surge by any player and expect carry over. My rule of thumb is to be less high on those players than the masses. Occasionally they are right (See Frank Gore this year), but more often a player gets over valued. It's something to be careful of. NFL football wise, I think both Jackson and Floyd can add a good dynamic to that team. You have a decent receiving talent that can make the defense respect him, and you have a player that has height and can stretch the field. Add in a little eric parker for possession catches, and it's a decent trio to complement LT and Gates, for certain. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteelBunz Posted April 11, 2007 Share Posted April 11, 2007 As far as Vincent Jackson goes, realize that he ended 2006 with six touchdowns - McCardell and Parker combined for ZERO and yet Jackson was not even a starter per se. In the waning weeks of the season, Parker never had more than 42 yards in the final seven games (excluding a meaningless week 17) and McCardell never had more than 65 in any game during the year. In weeks 14, 15 and 16, Jackson had 95, 66, 97 yards. Despite not being a starting SE or FL, Jackson vastly outplayed the two. He showed nuch more than any other SD WR. He now enters his third NFL season and is poised for a step up. That all said, he will never lead the NFL in yardage because of Gates and LT, but his TD total could rise and his yardage become much more consistent. He could become worthy of being a WR3 if he offers consistency. He has the size and talent to even possibly be worthy of being a WR2 on a team. Very wise guru here. There's only so much offense to go around on any team. Rivers is NOT going to throw up 5000 yd seasons, so a WR with consistant 100 yd games isn't an option here. But a 600 yd/10 TD season is doable (all else remaining the same). Jackson will continue to be that fade route to the corner of the endzone guy...decoy the rest of the time. And 2 other WRs will contribute with their customary 400 yd/0-3 TD seasons. There's really no room for a Harrison/Holt type of WR in numbers on this team without Gates and LTs numbers suffering. Unless you believe Rivers is the next Peyton. Nice to have dreams though, Muck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Riffraff Posted April 11, 2007 Share Posted April 11, 2007 Don't forget the emergence of Vincent Jackson. Also of note: the Chargers re-signed Floyd. VJackson scored 4 of his 6 TDs AFTER Floyd went down for the year. Floyd is another big red zone target. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
piratesownninjas Posted April 11, 2007 Share Posted April 11, 2007 Strange... I thought this thread was titled "Michael Turner" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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