devi0us Posted August 31, 2011 Share Posted August 31, 2011 Ok, were trying to incorporate a Blind Bidding System for our 12 team PPR league. We've never used this before but most of the owners complained about the 6:00am free agent starting time. We tried a Waiver Wire system last year and it was a disaster. So, my question is: How much money do owners usually start out with? Our website has the Blind Bidding Option but it starts out with $100 with the option to change it. Since we've never done this before, what's a good amount to start off with? Any input would be greatly appreciated. Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slainte Posted August 31, 2011 Share Posted August 31, 2011 i've been in one league that uses the faab process for four years and we've always used $100 bid dollars per season. it has always worked well for us. ymmv. . . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atlas Posted August 31, 2011 Share Posted August 31, 2011 Mine starts us out with $1000 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Country Posted August 31, 2011 Share Posted August 31, 2011 The starting dollar amount is largely irrelevant, owners will bid relative to the total dollars allowed. Give them 100 and that hot RB in week 3 will go for 60-65, give them 1000 and he will go for 600-650. No different than player salaries in auction leagues. Curious about what type of waiver system you put in place and what caused it to be a "disaster"? A simple waiver system is the most basic system (other than first come first serve free for all at all times) and relatively easy to implement, so curious as to what went wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KOKIDKOKID Posted August 31, 2011 Share Posted August 31, 2011 It's all relative really...I done $100 and $1,000 - I also let folks use $0 as a minimum bid (so that way if they shot their wads in previous weeks they still have a chance to add a player if necessary for bye week or injury issues). KO'd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slainte Posted August 31, 2011 Share Posted August 31, 2011 It's all relative really...I done $100 and $1,000 - I also let folks use $0 as a minimum bid (so that way if they shot their wads in previous weeks they still have a chance to add a player if necessary for bye week or injury issues). KO'd that was put to a vote before our draft this year and was shot down. regardless, it does add a tactical element. at first, i would imagine that people in your league will over bid. over time, they'll realize that they need to reserve those dollars so they can do some damage later in the season. bid ties are broken by rankings, with the player going to the lower ranked team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KOKIDKOKID Posted August 31, 2011 Share Posted August 31, 2011 that was put to a vote before our draft this year and was shot down. regardless, it does add a tactical element. at first, i would imagine that people in your league will over bid. over time, they'll realize that they need to reserve those dollars so they can do some damage later in the season. bid ties are broken by rankings, with the player going to the lower ranked team. Yes the 1st "flavor of the week" free agent that pops up often sees several folks shoot their entire faab money...but by allowing $0 pick ups, those folks can never again land a "flavor of the week" player again but they can at least add someone anyone if they need a fill in player. I've seen it done your way too of course. KO'd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
devi0us Posted September 1, 2011 Author Share Posted September 1, 2011 The starting dollar amount is largely irrelevant, owners will bid relative to the total dollars allowed. Give them 100 and that hot RB in week 3 will go for 60-65, give them 1000 and he will go for 600-650. No different than player salaries in auction leagues. Curious about what type of waiver system you put in place and what caused it to be a "disaster"? A simple waiver system is the most basic system (other than first come first serve free for all at all times) and relatively easy to implement, so curious as to what went wrong. We tried the waiver wire system last year for the first time and it would give the worst record first dibs on the FA's. I'm fine with that but the Waivers would reset every week and it was the same 2-3 teams with the worst record getting all the FA's. I didn't really complain because my team was stacked but other owners were real upset that the waivers reset every week. I thought waiver was if a team with the worst record gets their FA then they automatically go to the end and the next worst record has a chance for FA... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loaf Posted September 1, 2011 Share Posted September 1, 2011 Mine starts us out with $1000 yep it's all relative. 100 vs 1000 adjust accordingly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bronco Billy Posted September 1, 2011 Share Posted September 1, 2011 Agreed with relative thing. Owners will set bid value based upon whatever number you give them as a FA purse. In a $100 FA purse league, a WR3 might draw a $10 bid, whereas in a $1000 FA purse league that same WR might draw a $100 bid. It depends upon how freely you want FA to be run. Large caps with low minimums will generate a throw-spaghetti-at-the-wall mentality with a lot of owners, and you'll see a lot more action but maybe a lot less careful consideration. With tighter caps and relatively higher minimums, you'll se less action but owners having to think things through and manage better. In one league we use a $50 purse/$1 minimum/whole $ bids only and it forces owners to be a bit more discreet on their bids, since there is a tighter ceiling. In another league we use a $100 purse/$2 minimum/whole $ bids only and there is bit more movement (that also has to do with tight rosters) since the purse goes a bit further. Seems like relatively the same as the first league but it really is a bit different when the purse is bigger (it would essentially be the same if bids in the 2nd league had to be in $2 increments, which is where the difference lies - the second league allows for more in-between bids beyond the minimum). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Irish Doggy Posted September 1, 2011 Share Posted September 1, 2011 (edited) Nice thing about 1000 over 100 is ties are less likely with an extra digit (assuming you bid whole dollar amounts of course). ETA: I vastly prefer blind bidding to waiver wires. Edited September 1, 2011 by The Irish Doggy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Country Posted September 1, 2011 Share Posted September 1, 2011 We tried the waiver wire system last year for the first time and it would give the worst record first dibs on the FA's. I'm fine with that but the Waivers would reset every week and it was the same 2-3 teams with the worst record getting all the FA's. I didn't really complain because my team was stacked but other owners were real upset that the waivers reset every week. I thought waiver was if a team with the worst record gets their FA then they automatically go to the end and the next worst record has a chance for FA... You can do it any way, it's all dependent on how your league chooses to set it up. Most leagues run waivers where if you get a player, you move to the end of the list in processing and every other team gets their request processed, then if you still have valid requests, it runs through a second round of waivers, etc. so on and so on. Some league have the list reset each week, others have a "rolling waiver order" that is set at the beginning of the season and if you pick someone up you move to the end of the order, and it rotates each week as owners pick up players. So, I'd venture a guess to say it was less of a failure of a wiaver system and more a failure in the particular system your league implemented/voted in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phat Rugby Posted September 1, 2011 Share Posted September 1, 2011 We use the blind bid only for the forst day of the week (Tuesday eve). After that, it goes to first come/first serve. This allows a fair shot for everyine to bid on the "flaver of the week" and still be able to make some last minute pickups. It has worked very well and I don't have to be up at 2 AM to bid on a player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whiskey Pimp Posted September 1, 2011 Share Posted September 1, 2011 We have a $200 budget with bids starting at $1 and increments of whole dollars only. We have blind bidding from Tuesday at 12:01am until Wednesday 11:59pm. From Thursday 12:01am to kickoff of the first game it's FCFS with all players being $1. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ralph Furley Posted September 1, 2011 Share Posted September 1, 2011 In the league I commish, we have $100 and also allow for zero dollar bids. However, we run the bids only three times a week - Tuesday, Friday, and Sunday mornings. Works great! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big John Posted September 1, 2011 Share Posted September 1, 2011 However, we run the bids only three times a week - Tuesday, Friday, and Sunday mornings. Works great! Most leagues I've seen with blind bids only run them once a week, anywhere from Wednesday to Friday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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